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September 9th, 2021 at 6:21:52 AM permalink
Yesterday I was filling out an online pre-registration form for an upcoming 5 year "pain in the ass" Colonoscopy. When The form went to a vitamin supplements section. I happened to look at the small bottle of my ONE A DAY 50+ Advanced Multivitamin which the container said contained 110 quantities. Upon further inspection on the back in fine print, it stated serving size two per day and the container has 55 servings. So I have no idea the length of time that I have taken only 50% of the dosage. This seems very fraudulent advertising to me, as well as illegal. Any Opinions?
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September 9th, 2021 at 6:40:00 AM permalink
Quote: BoSox

Upon further inspection on the back in fine print, it stated serving size two per day and the container has 55 servings. So I have no idea the length of time that I have taken only 50% of the dosage. This seems very fraudulent advertising to me, as well as illegal. Any Opinions?

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    I doubt it's illegal.

    "One A Day" is the brand name for vitamins they produce, not the directions for use. I'm sure if pressed, they can cite their game show advertising where they pay the announcer to end every tout with "Use as directed."
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    September 9th, 2021 at 7:01:39 AM permalink
    I called the 800 # which they will reimburse the cost of that one bottle. The lesson that I learned is you cannot make assumptions.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 7:45:43 AM permalink
    I agree that “One A Day” is a brand name, not instructions. Nor false advertising. But I can see your point.

    That brand may have evolved out of the instructions, though. I mean, back in the day, when they sold single vitamins, one was all you needed. But their multivitamin might be the size of a horse pill if contained in one tablet.

    Side note: I just checked my own vitamins. CVS Spectravite multivitamin/multimineral. 200 tablets in the bottle. Serving size: 1 tablet. ~3/4” x ~3/8” around. Big, but not terrible.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 9:59:05 AM permalink
    You don't have to take the number of pills indicated anyway.

    For this Multivitamin, which is the one I am taking currently, I take just one pill a day, even though three are indicated. I figure it is enough and am not into megadoses.




    and for this one, again, just one a day, even though four are indicated.




    But for this one, I take two a day where one is indicated.



    I switch up brands for supplements all the time and sometimes end up with a true one a day vitamin pill, sometimes not. I have about thirty different bottles of vitamins and supplements and some days I will take something out of each bottle, and some days I'll take a pill out of just five bottles, or so. And on short travel trips, I bring maybe just a few bottles with me, and give my system a break.

    As long as you are eating solid, good nutritious food whatever vitamins and supplements you take are just additional insurance and who knows if you really need them or not. You certainly aren't going to suffer from missing some of what is in that multivitamin or supplement bottle on occasion.

    My personal belief is that if vitamins and supplements are going to be beneficial they will be only if taken long term, nothing much will happen to you one way or another over a short period of time.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 10:54:23 AM permalink
    Since the name of the product is "One a Day", I feel it's wrongfully deceptive.

    But you might think twice about having a colonoscopy.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 11:42:20 AM permalink
    Quote: MichaelBluejay

    Since the name of the product is "One a Day", I feel it's wrongfully deceptive.

    But you might think twice about having a colonoscopy.

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    Thank you for the warning but, it is just like another day of gaming theoretically.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 11:46:34 AM permalink
    Thanks Mdawg, I can see that you taking vitamins is quite a process.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 12:00:24 PM permalink
    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM permalink
    Good gravy!

    Can you post a picture of what I take daily for me? Just remove everything from that piece of furniture and take a picture of it.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 12:27:46 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    How does it feel knowing you have been induced into partaking in one of the biggest scams around?
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    September 9th, 2021 at 1:19:49 PM permalink
    I'd expect a real hi-roller would have people to take the vitamins for him.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 2:05:50 PM permalink
    I always wonder why nobody puts out "take one pill for every 100 lbs of body weight" or recommending doses in a similar fashion. Should a 100 lb woman take the same dosage as a 300 lb man?
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    September 9th, 2021 at 2:17:15 PM permalink
    Quote: Johnzimbo

    I always wonder why nobody puts out "take one pill for every 100 lbs of body weight" or recommending doses in a similar fashion. Should a 100 lb woman take the same dosage as a 300 lb man?

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    Generally no. But the relation is not linear. A lot of the drugs we use to put someone to sleep with are dosed somewhere between ideal body weight and actual weight.

    I’d estimate an obese (300lb) man might need twice as much as a fit 100lb woman.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 2:18:16 PM permalink
    Quote: AxelWolf

    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    How does it feel knowing you have been induced into partaking in one of the biggest scams around?
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    On the Big Bang Theory Sheldon said vitamins are just a recipe for expensive urine. I concur. I don't need vitamins, I plan to die healthy with no supplements.

    The only pill I take every day is an Ambien.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 2:39:43 PM permalink
    There's a good site that reviews the science for each supplement, showing the outcomes for studies where people take them. They also organize it the other way, for each malady, listing which supplements have been shown to help (or not). Finally, they test supplements to make sure they've contain the amounts they say they do, and don't contain things like heavy metals. It's around $50/yr. but I feel it's well worth it. ConsumerLab.com.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 3:02:26 PM permalink
    Quote: SOOPOO

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    I always wonder why nobody puts out "take one pill for every 100 lbs of body weight" or recommending doses in a similar fashion. Should a 100 lb woman take the same dosage as a 300 lb man?

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    Generally no. But the relation is not linear. A lot of the drugs we use to put someone to sleep with are dosed somewhere between ideal body weight and actual weight.

    I’d estimate an obese (300lb) man might need twice as much as a fit 100lb woman.
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    I've had this discussion with trainers and Doctors most of my adult life and the answer is almost always that they factored the weight into the dosage. I think the two pills I take twice a day might be once a day if I weighed 190. I'm down about seventy pounds from my peak weight and I don't think I'm taking lesser doses.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 3:58:11 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    Are all those vitamins comped?
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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:19:28 PM permalink
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    On the Big Bang Theory Sheldon said vitamins are just a recipe for expensive urine. I concur. I don't need vitamins, I plan to die healthy with no supplements.


    Most of the doctors I have had say that "oil-soluble" vitamins work, but "water-soluble" ones like multivitamins are pretty much useless. The only vitamin supplements I am on are Vitamin D (when you work in a cubicle all day, you don't get much sunlight) and Fish Oil. I was surprised that the giant fish oil tablets actually go down a lot easier than the smaller pills.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 4:47:14 PM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    Have you ever considered just eating the fruit?
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    September 9th, 2021 at 7:22:29 PM permalink
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    Good gravy!

    Can you post a picture of what I take daily for me? Just remove everything from that piece of furniture and take a picture of it.

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    Why is it MDawg always gets challenged?

    Why is it he has to prove certain things?

    Like the majority of other posts by countless members, if you don't agree or side with them, you generally just move on, not challenge them with the same intense redundancy you do with MDawg? (At least that is what I have seen and observed here)

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    September 9th, 2021 at 8:31:34 PM permalink
    Quote: Marcusclark66

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    Good gravy!

    Can you post a picture of what I take daily for me? Just remove everything from that piece of furniture and take a picture of it.

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    Why is it MDawg always gets challenged?

    Why is it he has to prove certain things?

    Like the majority of other posts by countless members, if you don't agree or side with them, you generally just move on, not challenge them with the same intense redundancy you do with MDawg? (At least that is what I have seen and observed here)

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    What are you talking about? I was just commenting to the effect that I don’t take any vitamins or supplements.

    MDawg can hold his own, if you wondered. He doesn’t need a defender, least of all from me.

    Also, you think I challenge MDawg relentlessly? You must not follow many threads I’m involved in.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 8:39:04 PM permalink
    I didn’t realize, “Good gravy!”, would be seen as a throw down; I’d better watch my language from now on.
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    September 9th, 2021 at 9:24:12 PM permalink
    Quote: DRich

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    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    How does it feel knowing you have been induced into partaking in one of the biggest scams around?
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    On the Big Bang Theory Sheldon said vitamins are just a recipe for expensive urine. I concur. I don't need vitamins, I plan to die healthy with no supplements.

    The only pill I take every day is an Ambien.
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    Unless you are deficient in something(as was pointed out, a common one is vitiman D) you dont need to be taking a bunch of vitamans. You can eat fairly crappy here in the USA and get evrything you need, even if you just ate stuff from fast food joints and 7-11 crap. I'm not saying that stuff is good for you, I'm just saying you will get all the vitimans you need.

    As a tween/teen, I watched in disgust as my poor mom(literally and figuratively) contunually got conned by people pushing expensive vitamin packages and crap like Herbalife. Intuitively, I knew it was all bogus, even back then.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 3:34:49 AM permalink
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    Good gravy!

    Can you post a picture of what I take daily for me? Just remove everything from that piece of furniture and take a picture of it.

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    Why is it MDawg always gets challenged?

    Why is it he has to prove certain things?

    Like the majority of other posts by countless members, if you don't agree or side with them, you generally just move on, not challenge them with the same intense redundancy you do with MDawg? (At least that is what I have seen and observed here)

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    The lack of answers that you are receiving from your questions may be attributable to whom is asking those questions. Something to think about.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 5:59:25 AM permalink
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    The lack of answers that you are receiving from your questions may be attributable to whom is asking those questions. Something to think about.

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    Personal insult. Three days.
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    Quote: Wizard

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    The lack of answers that you are receiving from your questions may be attributable to whom is asking those questions. Something to think about.

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    Personal insult. Three days.
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    You have to be kidding.
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    Quote: Wizard

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    The lack of answers that you are receiving from your questions may be attributable to whom is asking those questions. Something to think about.

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    Personal insult. Three days.
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    Strongly disagree that this was a personal insult.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:39:57 AM permalink
    Regarding fat soluble or water soluble vitamins, it is actually the fat soluble ones that you must be careful about with doses, because these may build up to toxic levels.

    And while I take a broad spectrum of vitamins, I'd say that of those thirty bottles I have only 1 is a multivitamin and only a few contain traditional vitamins. The rest are or contain supplements that most have never heard of, not "vitamins" at all.

    All vitamins are supplements but not all supplements are vitamins.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 7:55:53 AM permalink
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    All vitamins are supplements but not all supplements are vitamins.

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    Good point. I take lots of supplements (because benefits have been shown in the scientific literature), but most of them aren't vitamins.

    Also, it's a mistake to think that supplements are only for deficiencies. Many supplements are essentially a *treatment* for health conditions (again, as reported in the literature).

    Finally, even talking only about deficiency, deficiency is common. The average vegan is deficient in three nutrients. The average meat-eater is deficient in seven. (The forum software mangles the url for the source if I put it in as code, so here it is in plain text: http://web.archive.org/web/20080704174903/http://www.drgreger.org/september2003.html )
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:36:39 AM permalink
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    I didn’t realize, “Good gravy!”, would be seen as a throw down; I’d better watch my language from now on.

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    I have no idea what "Good gravy" is but in my mind it is the white gravy with sausage that is on my biscuits.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:47:49 AM permalink
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    I didn’t realize, “Good gravy!”, would be seen as a throw down; I’d better watch my language from now on.

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    I have no idea what "Good gravy" is but in my mind it is the white gravy with sausage that is on my biscuits.
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    Appalachian slang typically for people who aren't comfortable saying, "Good God!"

    I'm not uncomfortable with saying that; I'm not even religious. I just think that, "Good Gravy!", is delightfully silly.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:57:27 AM permalink
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    I didn’t realize, “Good gravy!”, would be seen as a throw down; I’d better watch my language from now on.

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    I have no idea what "Good gravy" is but in my mind it is the white gravy with sausage that is on my biscuits.
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    Appalachian slang typically for people who aren't comfortable saying, "Good God!"

    I'm not uncomfortable with saying that; I'm not even religious. I just think that, "Good Gravy!", is delightfully silly.
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    I think it’s the same as people who say jeezum crow instead of Jesus Christ
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    September 10th, 2021 at 9:04:15 AM permalink
    Cheese and crackers!
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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:27:28 AM permalink
    Quote: MDawg

    A process of many pills.


    But as stated some days I take all, others days almost none. Just depends on how I feel or if I get around to it.

    And as stated, even if the bottle suggests taking more than one I generally take 1 only.

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    I assume you ingest plenty of liquid when swallowing your daily intake, so how much real nutrition do you actually eat? I cannot imagine that you are over weight in any sense of the word. You are aware that your body does NOT store excess vitamins or supplements and will pass any unused excess.

    I hope you provide your personal medical provider(s) with an accounting of the above and that they runs "labs" to make sure everything is in normal ranges for blood and urine chemistries.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:31:04 AM permalink
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    Good gravy!

    Can you post a picture of what I take daily for me? Just remove everything from that piece of furniture and take a picture of it.

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    Why is it MDawg always gets challenged?

    Why is it he has to prove certain things?

    Like the majority of other posts by countless members, if you don't agree or side with them, you generally just move on, not challenge them with the same intense redundancy you do with MDawg? (At least that is what I have seen and observed here)

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    Here, here; perhaps with a couple of exceptions.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:36:12 AM permalink
    I do drink a lot of water, period, especially first thing in the morning and before and after each gym workout.

    Not overweight, am extremely fit and in fighting weight shape. 😇

    Yes once a year my physician runs a lot of labs, I mean, a LOT - many vials of blood drawn, but most of them are because I insist. Well beyond the usual CBC with differential, CMP chem panel and hemoglobin A1c. I have a couple of tests run that monitor the levels of certain specific supplements I take. One time I was advised to reduce the dosage of one specific supplement because it was making my levels for that specific substance in my body too high. I am actually overdue for this year's annual because been in Vegas too long, will need to fly back and forth for that or have them done here.

    I actually ceased taking any vitamins and supplements once for six months, and then took the same tests again - I don't believe there was any clinical difference as far as the usual blood tests given to people. Again, I'd say that the benefits of vitamins and supplements for an otherwise healthy person are subtle, long term and would not necessarily show up in lab blood tests, absent of course specialty tests run for levels of a specific vitamin or supplement.

    I think what MichaelBluejay is saying as far as researching the benefits and purity of supplements is smart and the way to go.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 10:48:22 AM permalink
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    I actually ceased taking any vitamins and supplements once for six months, and then took the same tests again - I don't believe there was any clinical difference as far as the usual blood tests given to people. Again, I'd say that the benefits of vitamins and supplements for an otherwise healthy person are subtle, long term and would not necessarily show up in lab blood tests, absent of course specialty tests run for levels of a specific vitamin or supplement.


    Thanks for the response. Seems like you may have learned something regarding possible excess of chemicals that are really unnecessary. Nice to hear you are taking care of yourself. My Jewish mom always noted that one's real wealth is their health.

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    September 10th, 2021 at 11:07:38 AM permalink
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    I didn’t realize, “Good gravy!”, would be seen as a throw down; I’d better watch my language from now on.

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    I have no idea what "Good gravy" is but in my mind it is the white gravy with sausage that is on my biscuits.
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    Appalachian slang typically for people who aren't comfortable saying, "Good God!"

    I'm not uncomfortable with saying that; I'm not even religious. I just think that, "Good Gravy!", is delightfully silly.
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    I think it’s the same as people who say jeezum crow instead of Jesus Christ
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    I have never heard that one either. My people just say what they mean no matter the company they are in.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 12:55:52 PM permalink
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    I have never heard that one either. My people just say what they mean no matter the company they are in.

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    I think this sort of self-moderation of strong language may not be as uncommon as you suggest.
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    September 10th, 2021 at 1:37:44 PM permalink
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    You are aware that your body does NOT store excess vitamins or supplements and will pass any unused excess.

    Well, that's flat-out 100% wrong.

    "The body does not need these vitamins every day and stores them in the liver and adipose (fat) tissue when not used."

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    September 10th, 2021 at 8:16:28 PM permalink
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    September 11th, 2021 at 7:38:56 AM permalink
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    Well, that's flat-out 100% wrong.


    The article you linked talks about 4 fat soluble vitamins which can be stored for long periods of time and can be TOXIC in excess amounts. The article says nothing about supplements or other vitamins such as B; C; etc. Perhaps you should require yourself to tell the WHOLE TRUTH.

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    September 11th, 2021 at 7:55:20 AM permalink
    Quote: tuttigym

    The article you linked talks about 4 fat soluble vitamins which can be stored for long periods of time and can be TOXIC in excess amounts. The article says nothing about supplements or other vitamins such as B; C; etc. Perhaps you should require yourself to tell the WHOLE TRUTH.

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    Or you could admit that your statement was not flat out 100% correct. The body holds some and doesn't hold others. Your blanket statement was incorrect, or at best -partially correct.
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    September 11th, 2021 at 8:51:49 AM permalink
    Quote: tuttigym

    The article you linked talks about 4 fat soluble vitamins which can be stored for long periods of time and can be TOXIC in excess amounts. The article says nothing about supplements or other vitamins such as B; C; etc. Perhaps you should require yourself to tell the WHOLE TRUTH.

    Speak for yourself. Here's your statement again:

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    You are aware that your body does NOT store excess vitamins or supplements and will pass any unused excess.

    As stated, that's pure unadulterated B.S. You didn't say "some" vitamins or supplements, so your claim was that *no* vitamins or supplements are stored. All that was needed to disprove your claim was to show that *any* are stored. Which is what I did. You were wrong, period.

    Much as you wish to believe that I erred, I wasn't the one who made a blanket statement, you were. And it's funny that the basis of your recent argument is that I made a blanket statement, since that's precisely what you're guilty of. Projection much?
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    Or you could admit that your statement was not flat out 100% correct. The body holds some and doesn't hold others. Your blanket statement was incorrect, or at best -partially correct.
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    And Michael Bluejay's statement?? "Blanket statements" abound throughout this forum. My statement was more correct than incorrect, 4 vitamins vs all the rest plus the huge number of supplements taken and/or available.

    Thanks for piling on. It is always a joy to expose concern disguised as morality.

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    September 12th, 2021 at 9:38:44 AM permalink
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    Much as you wish to believe that I erred, I wasn't the one who made a blanket statement, you were. And it's funny that the basis of your recent argument is that I made a blanket statement, since that's precisely what you're guilty of. Projection much?

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    Ah, but you did. I guess your "B.S." trumps all others, right? Well so be it and keep on trying. Like I said, you need to up your game and maybe .......

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    September 12th, 2021 at 9:42:51 AM permalink
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    Well, that's flat-out 100% wrong.



    Another Michael Bluejay overstated chest pumping exaggeration of moral authority. Thanks Mr. Bluejay, we all needed that.

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    September 12th, 2021 at 10:03:23 AM permalink
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    Ah, but you did. I guess your "B.S." trumps all others, right? Well so be it and keep on trying. Like I said, you need to up your game and maybe .......

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