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EvenBob
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March 2nd, 2021 at 9:39:20 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

now everybody understands EB - why you're able to beat roulette so easily
you have math abilities that are far beyond those of mortal men



Or the math doesn't matter. I choose
that.


Quote: TomG

it is that people who claim to have an advantage when playing all seem to lack the capacity to describe the advantage.



More like lack the willingness,
not lack the capacity.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 2nd, 2021 at 9:43:52 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

He gave the secret away a long time ago




Quote: EvenBob



All roulette systems work part of the time.
Only play when it's working!!

That's actually good advice
Good on me..




actually this author also released this secret
and believe me it's true
I've walked onto a casino floor with this book in my hand and I saw the Pit Bosses trembling with fear


Please don't feed the trolls
EvenBob
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March 2nd, 2021 at 9:48:05 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster




Psycho-biological principals? Is that
like crapping your pants before
you go in so the pit won't come
anywhere near you?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 2nd, 2021 at 10:06:14 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

actually this author also released this secret
and believe me it's true
I've walked onto a casino floor with this book in my hand and I saw the Pit Bosses trembling with fear





This is tangential, but the worst I have ever felt about losing a competition was when I entered the World Cup of Handicapping at Caesars Palace in the 80's. One weekend contest, football handicapping, 1K entrance fee. I needed to go 16-4 ATS, I think, to cash in the college bracket. Went 15-5. Anyway, that wasn't why I felt bad. The overall winner was a guy named Edmund Slick, who claimed he handicapped via astrology. That was his thing. He went to the cocktail parties and awards banquet wearing a tux with stars and planets all over it, including on the lapels. Had a big frizzy afro and meteors on his lapels.

"Psycho-biological" seems high brow in comparison.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 11:29:59 AM permalink
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I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?
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March 2nd, 2021 at 12:15:35 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 2nd, 2021 at 12:17:02 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



Many
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March 2nd, 2021 at 1:16:26 PM permalink
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March 2nd, 2021 at 1:17:34 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



Many



"Pat" on the back, thanks.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 1:23:48 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

More like lack the willingness, not lack the capacity.



In every other game, anytime someone has been able to find a player advantage in some way, someone is willing and able to articulate some of the details, even if only one or two words. For example anyone who has an edge at blackjack would just say "counting" or "hole carding". For machines, it could be "point multipliers", or "best payables", or "variable state" or whatever.

Why does that not happen with baccarat? It does for something like "edge sorting" or "loss rebate". Is that how you have found a player advantage at the game? Or is it something else? Why are advantages at baccarat so much more special than every other casino game?
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March 2nd, 2021 at 1:56:38 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

In every other game, anytime someone has been able to find a player advantage in some way, someone is willing and able to articulate some of the details, even if only one or two words.
Why does that not happen with baccarat?



Educated guessing. There you go, nuff said..
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March 2nd, 2021 at 2:04:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



More than almost all other members. Summation: PLENTY.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 3:35:29 PM permalink
Just for clarification this is not mikes site and hasn't been for several years.
He's the Man though.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 4:40:28 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Just for clarification this is not mikes site and hasn't been for several years.
He's the Man though.



So who issues suspensions? The impression I have, and correct me if I am wrong, is that technical ownership aside, he is judge, jury and executioner of violations of the rules. The rules look to be promulgated under his authority and were written by him, unmodified for the same period of "several years." While I have seen Moderators, official and otherwise, announce suspensions, my impression again is that it is He Who Must Be Obeyed.

If this is not so, then how, exactly, is it done?
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March 2nd, 2021 at 4:49:57 PM permalink
Quote: fantom

So who issues suspensions? The impression I have, and correct me if I am wrong, is that technical ownership aside, he is judge, jury and executioner of violations of the rules. The rules look to be promulgated under his authority and were written by him, unmodified for the same period of "several years." While I have seen Moderators, official and otherwise, announce suspensions, my impression again is that it is He Who Must Be Obeyed.

If this is not so, then how, exactly, is it done?



I thought I was pretty clear, He doesn't own it but ("He is the MAN!").
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March 2nd, 2021 at 4:52:59 PM permalink
Quote: fantom

So who issues suspensions? The impression I have, and correct me if I am wrong, is that technical ownership aside, he is judge, jury and executioner of violations of the rules. The rules look to be promulgated under his authority and were written by him, unmodified for the same period of "several years." While I have seen Moderators, official and otherwise, announce suspensions, my impression again is that it is He Who Must Be Obeyed.

If this is not so, then how, exactly, is it done?




Edit:
Double dipped.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 9:37:44 PM permalink
STFU.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 11:01:01 PM permalink
Sounds like I have missed a lot lately. This new challenge of MDawg makes my challenges look like some cheap fun. I'm all about "gambling with an edge" but a quarter of a million gets me cautious quick. It's nice to see some high risk rollers on WoV.
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March 2nd, 2021 at 11:53:50 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



More than almost all other members. Summation: PLENTY.

I say that's overexaggerated, but lets go with it
and then use some some logic. Almost 9 years and over 18k posts while engaging with "many" people who are known and suspected of being full of it. Do some research into the people I have spared with and you might realize something.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 1:08:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



More than almost all other members. Summation: PLENTY.

I say that's overexaggerated, but lets go with it
and then use some some logic. Almost 9 years and over 18k posts while engaging with "many" people who are known and suspected of being full of it. Do some research into the people I have spared with and you might realize something.



9 years and 18,000 typed posts. Are you proud of that feat? Is that included on your bio resume background and accomplishments? What does your family think of such an accomplishment?
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March 3rd, 2021 at 1:10:38 AM permalink
....................


Axel's function here is a good one
many people are coming here with outrageous claims and he challenges them
would you like for all the outrageous claims that have appeared here to not be challenged?
this joint would be a lot worse if these claims weren't challenged and viewed with suspicion IMO
this joint would be a real loony bin




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March 3rd, 2021 at 1:33:21 AM permalink
Quote: Gidver

STFU.

As per recent precedent...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/#post796780
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March 3rd, 2021 at 1:37:06 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

many people are coming here with outrageous claims and he challenges them



The outrageous claims are coincidental...he also challenges members who post verifiable truth.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 1:43:29 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



More than almost all other members. Summation: PLENTY.

I say that's overexaggerated, but lets go with it
and then use some some logic. Almost 9 years and over 18k posts while engaging with "many" people who are known and suspected of being full of it. Do some research into the people I have spared with and you might realize something.



9 years and 18,000 typed posts. Are you proud of that feat? Is that included on your bio resume background and accomplishments? What does your family think of such an accomplishment?



When you start insinuating that Axel has been a time waster who's family would have doubts about his accomplishments that's more insulting than a blatant "you're a liar" claim.

But doing my unsophisticated math, 18,000 posts in 9 years makes for 2000 posts a year, divided by 365 days makes for an average of 5.4 posts a day.

Not exactly what I would see as rising to the level of asking how ones family might be taking it, imo.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:12:18 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Marcusclark66

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: fantom

I have never argued or disagreed with the idea that this forum is run under the form of a dictatorship. Not a benign one, in the least.

Mike has the right to suspend anyone he wants, for any reason. In fact, he has the right to use any word, phrase, comment, insult or obscenity he wants, even those which HIS rules prohibit. It's his "property" and we post here, totally and exclusively, at his pleasure.

rex non potest peccare

I do take exception to the hypocrisy inherent in the arbitrary, uneven, selective and inconsistent way in which these supposed hard and fast rules are applied, and the varying penalties handed dowm from on high. All of this is done on a whim and depends on the mood of he (or they) who are the judges, juries and executioners.

There is but one rule here. The Wizard Rules. Even if He Who Must Be Obeyed insists that we all pretend that there are other rules, we all now how it is. He may be the Wizard of Las Vegas, but here he's the Tyrant as well.

Most of the time the person who the post was directed at must make a complaint to Mike via PM.



Axel, question. Why is it you seem to spar with so many members here?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but I think it's appropriate in this case. How many is many?



More than almost all other members. Summation: PLENTY.

I say that's overexaggerated, but lets go with it
and then use some some logic. Almost 9 years and over 18k posts while engaging with "many" people who are known and suspected of being full of it. Do some research into the people I have spared with and you might realize something.



9 years and 18,000 typed posts. Are you proud of that feat? Is that included on your bio resume background and accomplishments? What does your family think of such an accomplishment?

I'm neither proud or ashamed, it just is, what it is. People spend considerably more time time doing things that are not resume worthy like, sleeping 10 hours a day, eating too much, watching movies, TV, YouTube cat videos, watching porn, playing candy crush or various other types of video games, degening on slots or table games.

I'm certainly happy I found this site since it's been a direct result of many good things both personally and financially. Things such as, making some good friends, meeting some good people and business partners that I would have never meet if not for participating here.

My family is proud of me regardless of how may years I have been on here, or how many posts I have made, I highly doubt they care either way. My Wife is well aware of it and supports whatever I do as long as I'm generally productive, show her attention, and do all the things a husband should do.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:15:26 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

18,000 posts in 9 years makes for 2000 posts a year, divided by 365 days makes for an average of 5.4 posts a day.

Not exactly what I would see as rising to the level of asking how ones family might be taking it, imo.



5.4 posts every single day for 9 years straight...that's not so bad.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:19:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm neither proud or ashamed



Most of your posts have been derogatory...it's understandable why you're not proud of yourself.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:36:17 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

The outrageous claims are coincidental...he also challenges members who post verifiable truth.

Verifiable and verified are significantly different.
For example, Witnessing 18 yo's in a row is verifiable, but I'm certain it will never be verified. Some things just can't be verified either way, at that point, you have to use some logic and math and come to a reasonable conclusion.

I'm not saying I've never challenged somebody who has posted verified proof where I have been wrong(I can't think of any I certainly would like you to find some), but I'm sure it's few and far between, I'm certain that I'm right way more often than I'm wrong.

I have been wrong a few times when I thought someone was just here trolling the forum, but it didn't take long for me to realize my mistake, even when others were still convinced they were bogus characters. Once I realized my mistake I was quick to apologize and even make friends with those people. For example, ZenKing and JuicyJenny.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 2:41:14 AM permalink
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Most of your posts have been derogatory...it's understandable why you're not proud of yourself.

Please show me where I said I wasn't proud of myself? And then please provide proof that most of my posts have been derogatory.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 3:37:19 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not saying I've never challenged somebody who has posted verified proof where I have been wrong(I can't think of any I certainly would like you to find some)



Right here...

Quote: AxelWolf

Show evidence, or direct me to them or it's a lie, and your credibility is shot. I don't even need a half-dozen 3 or 4 would do just fine.

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March 3rd, 2021 at 3:44:04 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Please show me where I said I wasn't proud of myself?



Right here...
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I'm neither proud or ashamed



Quote: AxelWolf

And then please provide proof that most of my posts have been derogatory.


I present as proof the written record of your posts on this forum...most are derogatory.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 4:21:26 AM permalink
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So who issues suspensions? The impression I have, and correct me if I am wrong, is that technical ownership aside, he is judge, jury and executioner of violations of the rules. The rules look to be promulgated under his authority and were written by him, unmodified for the same period of "several years." While I have seen Moderators, official and otherwise, announce suspensions, my impression again is that it is He Who Must Be Obeyed.

If this is not so, then how, exactly, is it done?

. I can’t give you an exactly. But basically, Mike has a vision for how this board should be, and since he has a real life outside of this board, and doesn’t want to read every post, has recruited moderators, to the best of their ability, try and help him match Mike’s vision. You are correct in that there are rules, but unlike a real government that might require them to be followed, Mike has absolute authority. As always, if you don’t like it, you are free to leave. Frankly, I believe Mike is too LENIENT, and doesn’t pull the trigger enough, not the other way around.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 4:36:45 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Most of your posts have been derogatory...it's understandable why you're not proud of yourself.



Personal insult, trolling -- 14 days.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 4:37:37 AM permalink
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Mr. Wizard has decided not to be proactive re outrageous claims of winning systems on his site
it's up to other posters to rebut these claims - and they have no obligation or incentive to do that

as I stated earlier, but it's worth repeating - if these claims were not rebutted this joint would be a disaster

IMO Mr. Wizard and his mods should be more proactive re claims of winning systems

such claims should be moved to a special area of the Forum and marked and highlighted with some words to indicate that the claims are not believable - a word or words such as unverified.....................the poster can then choose to verify them or not verify them - if the claims are verified the posts could be moved back into the general area

I'm not referring to somebody saying he won $500 at craps - I'm talking about somebody who says he has a winning craps system
or claims that he has won in baccarat 95 trips in a row

to leave these claims out there side by side with the postings of for example Romes, who has blogged and posted excellently on blackjack is plain out wrong

the fact that Mr. Wizard and his Mods are not proactive about this is IMO very unfortunate



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March 3rd, 2021 at 4:55:43 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

............................


Mr. Wizard has decided not to be proactive re outrageous claims of winning systems on his site
it's up to other posters to rebut these claims - and they have no obligation or incentive to do that

as I stated earlier, but it's worth repeating - if these claims were not rebutted this joint would be a disaster

IMO Mr. Wizard and his mods should be more proactive re claims of winning systems

such claims should be moved to a special area of the Forum and marked and highlighted with some words to indicate that the claims are not believable - a word or words such as unverified.....................the poster can then choose to verify them or not verify them - if the claims are verified the posts could be moved back into the general area

I'm not referring to somebody saying he won $500 at craps - I'm talking about somebody who says he has a winning craps system
or claims that he has won in baccarat 95 trips in a row

to leave these claims out there side by side with the postings of for example Romes, who has blogged and posted excellently on blackjack is plain out wrong

the fact that Mr. Wizard and his Mods are not proactive about this is IMO very unfortunate



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I think this is bad idea if you want any legitimate advantage play posts here.

Say I find a beatable baccarat side bet (they exist). I’m now required to disclose the play unless I want my post tagged as fake?

Do Axel, PG, Romes and others need to disclose the entirety of their plays, which everyone who is actually lucid on this forum knows to be legit?

What a slippery slope. It would just lead to another mass exodus of the few remaining AP’s who post here.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 5:15:48 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Right here...



I present as proof the written record of your posts on this forum...most are derogatory.

That is hardly enough proof. "Most of" would have to be more than half my posts. Feel free go though them all.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 6:22:28 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I think this is bad idea if you want any legitimate advantage play posts here.

Say I find a beatable baccarat side bet (they exist). I’m now required to disclose the play unless I want my post tagged as fake?

Do Axel, PG, Romes and others need to disclose the entirety of their plays, which everyone who is actually lucid on this forum knows to be legit?

What a slippery slope. It would just lead to another mass exodus of the few remaining AP’s who post here.




I don't see what the big deal is
you could just say PM me for details on a baccarat side bet advantage play
that's what you're going to end up doing anyway for anybody who wants to know what it is

but anyway, you have no worries

my suggestion is definitely not going to happen - for a variety of other reasons






you can look forward to reading posts like this on the main board for a very long time:



"the way to win at roulette is to only play your roulette system only when you're winning"



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March 3rd, 2021 at 7:17:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


I have been wrong a few times when I thought someone was just here trolling the forum, but it didn't take long for me to realize my mistake, even when others were still convinced they were bogus characters. Once I realized my mistake I was quick to apologize and even make friends with those people. For example, ZenKing and JuicyJenny.



My first thought was Zenking. It amazes me how different people can act on a forum as opposed to in person. Those of us that have met him see a real person trying to make a living gambling. His online persona to me was just a troll.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 9:07:25 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Verifiable and verified are significantly different.
For example, Witnessing 18 yo's in a row is verifiable, but I'm certain it will never be verified. Some things just can't be verified either way, at that point, you have to use some logic and math and come to a reasonable conclusion.

I'm not saying I've never challenged somebody who has posted verified proof where I have been wrong(I can't think of any I certainly would like you to find some), but I'm sure it's few and far between, I'm certain that I'm right way more often than I'm wrong.

I have been wrong a few times when I thought someone was just here trolling the forum, but it didn't take long for me to realize my mistake, even when others were still convinced they were bogus characters. Once I realized my mistake I was quick to apologize and even make friends with those people. For example, ZenKing and JuicyJenny.




You know, Axel, I don't often have something nice to say about you, but that line, "Verifiable and verified are significantly different" is pure gold. I am going to borrow that a lot in the years ahead while giving proper source credit.

You sure your wife didn't write that?

Uh oh, that could be construed as an insult. #@!!!*!!@$
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March 3rd, 2021 at 10:22:50 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Say I find a beatable baccarat side bet (they exist). I’m now required to disclose the play unless I want my post tagged as fake?



You are free to give away as many or as few details as you like. But if you tell lies about it, like some liars in this thread have told lies, you might be called out on it. Once it becomes apparent that it is based on a lie, being flagged as such would be a cool feature.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 10:58:10 AM permalink
To me, this needn't be this difficult. As I have said before, there is a very low bar of the math has to work.

The problem is when the math doesn't work. An example would be someone making claims of long-term winning, or winning every session or nearly every session playing a -EV game. To me the math doesn't support that and I think it is fair to call that member out. I am not talking about winning a small number of sessions playing -EV....of course that is not only possible but happens all the time. That is why people gamble. I am talking about long-trem winning or winning nearly every session that defies or nearly defies the math.

Personally, as lilredrooster said, I would like to see Wizard do a little more of this calling out, because he is "the guy". But I certainly think AP's or anyone really have a right to call that out. And I have often said, more than a "right" but a responsibility. (if the math doesn't add up)

Now if a player is claiming long-term or very frequent wins playing what is considered to be a -EV game, but he is playing some side bet that makes it +EV, well that is the same as playing +EV. That math works. Now I certainly can see a situation where the player wouldn't want to talk much about that special side bet that is making the play +EV. I certainly will accept if a player were to say that. This is also where reputation comes into play. I would accept it more from a regular member known to play with an advantage, than some person showing up with a handful of posts or someone sort of known as a losing (recreational or other) player.

I just don't see anything wrong with challenging claims that the math doesn't work. It's not personal. It's math.
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March 3rd, 2021 at 11:13:42 AM permalink
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STFU.



Triggered much?

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like a Fantom in the night I may have to change his diet.
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March 4th, 2021 at 1:01:46 AM permalink
I am a robot.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:26:16 AM permalink
Looks like AxelWolf declines to pick up the gauntlet. Now, what exactly is his reasoning? I mean either the screenshots of the trades are genuine or they are not. Who could be posting genuine (not simulated) winners day after day. Impossible, right? Surely the trades must be all fake or simulated, who could win so consistently, why not pick up a quarter million off MDawg and embarrass him at the same time.

Just let me know I will cut the cashier's check and message you a screen shot of it (with, as suggested by someone else - the account numbers redacted so as to prevent mobile deposit). I can provide the cashier's check for your purview same day you request it, just show me yours too, and we'll roll on this thing, meet, and decide the fate of a half million dollars from the two of us. I should be in Vegas soon.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:37:05 AM permalink
A dog lives in a basement
Screams to mom upstairs that nobody believes the BS
Mom has no interest here except to back her boy

Over and over
The dog is one bizarre kid
Lives for playing pretend
Do you really need Mom to pop in here to defend you
Frankly I would be embarrassed how much you depend on Mom
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:41:33 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

A dog lives in a basement
Screams to mom upstairs that nobody believes the BS
Mom has no interest here except to back her boy

Over and over
The dog is one bizarre kid
Lives for playing pretend
Do you really need Mom to pop in here to defend you
Frankly I would be embarrassed how much you depend on Mom



Didn't you get suspended for a month over almost the exact same ilk of verbiage?



This is actually even worse, more suspension worthy I'd say.

A man who can't control himself, can't begin to be successful at any sort of stock trading, or gaming, for that matter.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:44:19 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Didn't you get suspended for a month over almost the exact same ilk of verbiage?



This is actually even worse, more suspension worthy I'd say.

A man who can't control himself, can't begin to be successful at any sort of stock trading, or gaming, for that matter.


I'm talking about a dog
You are Mdawg
Different subject
You dont consider yourself a dog do you?
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:45:28 AM permalink
Don't play games. You know what you said, pal.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:50:43 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Don't play games.


???????????
This site is all about games
Its a gaming site
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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March 8th, 2021 at 7:54:31 AM permalink
No, some of us are actually going into the ring and throwing down serious money on a constant basis.

Good luck.
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