lilredrooster
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September 23rd, 2018 at 2:38:36 AM permalink
shot dead in front of his wife and kids

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RS
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September 23rd, 2018 at 2:56:18 AM permalink
Lol at how they try to make it seem like the father and son are the bad guys. It's called self defense. That (dead) guy had a baseball bat and was in the process of attacking them.

Not sure about any of you, but if I have a gun in my hand and someone's swinging a bat at my or someone else's head, I'm unloading the clip.
lilredrooster
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September 23rd, 2018 at 3:05:38 AM permalink
Quote: RS

someone's swinging a bat at my or someone else's head, I'm unloading the clip.




you jumped to conclusions. I read several stories about it. some said he had a bat, but none said he was swinging it.

from the linked article:

"As tempers flare, Box steps in between her husband and John Miller. Howard’s brother has handed him a baseball bat by this time, but he never swung it, his wife said."

of course it's his wife saying this and she's likely to be biased but there is no evidence or anybody stating that he swung the bat in several stories that I read.


https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article218728710.html
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RS
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September 23rd, 2018 at 3:18:33 AM permalink
Yes I'm jumping to conclusions. I did read some articles on it before, though. But I have a hunch that the guy wasn't like, "Okay, he's backing away....and even though this is on camera, this is the perfect time to shoot! Get him!!!!" Judging by the aggressiveness and demeanor of the lunatic, I'd say he was either swinging or getting close to swinging.
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September 23rd, 2018 at 4:27:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Lol at how they try to make it seem like the father and son are the bad guys. It's called self defense. That (dead) guy had a baseball bat and was in the process of attacking them.

Not sure about any of you, but if I have a gun in my hand and someone's swinging a bat at my or someone else's head, I'm unloading the clip.



A clip is what is used to load a magazine. It holds multiple rounds to make loading easier. Unloading a clip at someone might make a slight scratch. Maybe if you threw it at their eye it could incapacitate them for a minute.


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rxwine
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September 23rd, 2018 at 6:19:44 AM permalink
i'm guessing the wording of the warning is why it is not self defense,

Keep coming at me and I may have to shoot you suggesting you will feel mortal threat at some point and it might even be reasonable to shoot someone even at 10 feet if they are charging you.

Get within 3 feet and I will shoot you is a threat itself. It's a demand,

Otherwise why are they charged with murder if it's self-defense?
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FleaStiff
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September 23rd, 2018 at 6:20:59 AM permalink
I saw one video.
Didn't see any baseball bat.
Saw someone quite upset about a gun being drawn in the presence of his son (age unknown).
Instead of yelling at man who drew firearm he should have gotten his son out of the way if he was really concerned.
Issues are was it legal to draw the firearm and was it lawful to use it, not did presence of some presumably minor son alter those rights.
He drew. He even warned. Then he shot.

Apparently someone had put a mattress in or near a dumpster. Probably not lawful but there was no dispute over the mattress itself.
rxwine
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September 23rd, 2018 at 6:32:42 AM permalink
Stand your ground suggests it's just as reasonable to stand and argue with your irate neighbor over a mattress until one of you is dead instead of walking away and calling the cops?
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
FleaStiff
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September 23rd, 2018 at 7:16:11 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Stand your ground suggests it's just as reasonable

I thought we were discussing legality rather than reasonableness.
Pot bellied good old boys appearing in public shirtless are probably not good candidates for discussions about anything 'reasonable'. The only reasonableness they focus on is: be without your shirt if you want, without your shorts if you want, but never be without your gun. In Texas that may indeed be quite reasonable.
Edpokernut
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September 23rd, 2018 at 7:39:43 AM permalink
I just watched the the video at .25 speed and at the 2:15 to 2:16 mark, it looks like a bat was thrown at the father- hitting him on his right side, before the son fired his shotgun.

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