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Joeman
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August 7th, 2018 at 8:49:34 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

The reason for employers being able to demand drug tests isn't about drugs, it's about control.


Quote: Rigondeaux

Yep. Nobody even touched on this yet.

It's a cost-savings play. Insurance offers the company lower premiums if their hires show a clean drug screen.

Also, in many workplaces, a drug screen will be administered to an employee who was involved in an accident on the job. If something shows up on the screen, the insurance company won't pay a dime.
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KingoftheEye
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August 7th, 2018 at 9:58:55 AM permalink
Let's say I'm hiring a dealer with <600 credit score and active collections. Would this be someone I'd want in front of thousands of dollars in chips? It's possible that they may be the most honest person in the world, but I don't know them. As an employer, I'd like to have this info. It won't always be disqualifying, may just need to put them in housekeeping instead.

I get the frustration with IT jobs, but that doesn't mean these aren't useful.
AxelWolf
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August 7th, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM permalink
Quote: KingoftheEye

It won't always be disqualifying, may just need to put them in housekeeping instead.

I get the frustration with IT jobs, but that doesn't mean these aren't useful.

Oh, Thanks King, I'm glad to see you want to pawn off the bad employees on the guests so they can get their stuff stolen!!!!

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TomG
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August 7th, 2018 at 10:53:13 AM permalink
Credit score is an integer that was supposed to predict someone's likelihood of paying off a loan based entirely on their past behavior. That is no longer the case. It is now about how good this person would be to loan money to. Many lenders would actually prefer someone to buy more stuff than they can afford, only pay the minimum, and to make late payments. So having less credit always having the ability to pay back any loan is actually worse for a credit score than having more credit, but struggle to pay back what you borrow.

Credit score can also be hurt more credit checks, which means applying for more jobs that run a credit check would be seen as bad for someone's credit score.

To the best of my knowledge I am never to pay off any loan, because I have never taken one out and I never plan on doing so (I have borrowed $20 from people at times -- lets just call it loans linked to my social security number). Why should that have any significance on my ability to deal cards or know how to use a computer?

The only job I have ever had where management asked for credit histories was the US Army, and that was only done for soldiers who required security clearances. If we compare credit checks to drug testing: Outside of the military, any workplace that I have been a part of that required drug testing had a much weaker workforce and much greater recruiting problems than places that spent their resources in more productive ways.

Should credit checks be banned from employment screening like genetic testing or racial profiling? Probably not. Should employers be doing it? Not if they want to be as competitive and profitable as possible
FinsRule
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August 7th, 2018 at 10:54:34 AM permalink
Very well put.
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August 7th, 2018 at 2:29:10 PM permalink
Quote: KingoftheEye

Let's say I'm hiring a dealer with <600 credit score and active collections. Would this be someone I'd want in front of thousands of dollars in chips? It's possible that they may be the most honest person in the world, but I don't know them. As an employer, I'd like to have this info. It won't always be disqualifying, may just need to put them in housekeeping instead.

I get the frustration with IT jobs, but that doesn't mean these aren't useful.



If you ask the applicant questions about why their credit sucks, that might be OK. But I suspect that these HR automatons aren't doing that. They just use that as a way to cut down on the number of applications to process. It makes their job easier.

I know someone who has crummy credit but just got a job as a dealer. His credit sucks because he is from Canada and spent several years working in both Canada and the U.S. When he got a full-time job in Canada, the U.S. bank (an evil bank with two words that start with W and F) REFUSED to accept payments FROM Canada. Seriously, these stupid morons insisted that he actually cross the border every month in order to make a payment. He is not an idiot, unlike the bank, and refused to do that. If a money order made out to a U.S. bank in USD is unacceptable to them, well then screw them. I don't blame him one bit.

And you're going to extend the bank's idiocy to hiring? Lord help us all....
FinsRule
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August 7th, 2018 at 3:21:00 PM permalink
It’s illegal to run these checks pre job offer.

So if you’re being denied because of it, they must tell you why.
FinsRule
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August 7th, 2018 at 3:21:46 PM permalink
A lot of ripping on HR without knowing the facts. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised...
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August 7th, 2018 at 6:37:03 PM permalink
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

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KevinAA
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August 7th, 2018 at 6:47:31 PM permalink
HR apologists are scum of the Earth.

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