Quote: beachbumbabsLike people looking for work can afford the up-front expense. But a (garbage) case can be made for either.
In this type of economy, more people are employed and changing jobs as opposed to being unemployed.
Quote: DRichIn this type of economy, more people are employed and changing jobs as opposed to being unemployed.
Yes. That's what I'm talking about below what you quoted. More companies will pay their own pre-employment screening costs as the available worker pool shrinks. And more employees will apply for better jobs than they currently have if it costs them nothing to be considered.
For renting the background/credit checks I’ve done usually renter expense, but frequently waived or negotiatiable contingent on approval. Actual cost of background/credit check through a third party company when I was a rental agent circa 2010 was less than $25.
Quote: FinsRuleSo the expense of a background check and drug test meant the time it took you to get a drug test, and the invasion of your privacy to get a background check?
Right, I didn’t mean monetary expense.
I think a criminal background check for any job is reasonable. For the type of work I am in, I think that a credit check and drug screening is overly invasive.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Mortgage companies routinely require $300-500 up front for credit checks and appraisals. So do many rentAL agents (charge you some or all of credit check) while considering your application.
This is so that people do not flake on them. Credit pulls are not free, and all those tire-kickers add to the cost. Appraisals can cost hundreds, $500-700 these days what with all the risk on the appraiser.
Quote: gamerfreakRight, I didn’t mean monetary expense.
I think a criminal background check for any job is reasonable. For the type of work I am in, I think that a credit check and drug screening is overly invasive.
Companies can’t pick and choose who they drug test. So if companies want to test some employees, they often times choose to test all.
Exceptions can be made, but there needs to be a legitimate business purpose to make them, which is hard to prove.
Not sure if this is the case in the position you took.
Quote: billryanMy Brother in laws limo company requires applicants to complete a Nassau County Limo Commission background check- an interview, fingerprinting and drug test, at applicants own expense. I'm told that is common in that business.
In many businesses. Don’t NV dealers have to pay to get their work card?
Quote: FinsRuleCompanies can’t pick and choose who they drug test. So if companies want to test some employees, they often times choose to test all.
Exceptions can be made, but there needs to be a legitimate business purpose to make them, which is hard to prove.
Not sure if this is the case in the position you took.
Most definitely could have been the case with the other 3 positions I was offered, but probably not with the job I took. With the exception of receptionists and IT, nearly everyone in the company has a Masters degree or PhD.
I just don’t see the purpose. I realize that scientists with advance degrees aren’t immune from substance abuse, but a standard urine test is absurdly easy to beat. Most hard drugs don’t even stay in your system for more than 48 hours. And of course a crippling alcoholic would be completely in the clear.
I’m convinced that the idea that these tests are effective at anything is a scam propigated by the testing labs.
Quote: gamerfreakMost definitely could have been the case with the other 3 positions I was offered, but probably not with the job I took. With the exception of receptionists and IT, nearly everyone in the company has a Masters degree or PhD.
I just don’t see the purpose. I realize that scientists with advance degrees aren’t immune from substance abuse, but a standard urine test is absurdly easy to beat. Most hard drugs don’t even stay in your system for more than 48 hours. And of course a crippling alcoholic would be completely in the clear.
I’m convinced that the idea that these tests are effective at anything is a scam propigated by the testing labs.
Agree, but add the Reagan Administration onward as a major scammer. Everyone was basically forced to follow suit and billions have been spent to prove a negative and presumed guilty as innocent.
Not to mention search and seizure. No, I'm not over it. 30+ years now more jobs than not, you have to prove you're not on drugs, and keep proving it through random or periodic testing.
Reasonable suspicion, erratic behavior, fine. Do your test.
Quote: mcallister3200I failed a couple hair follicle tests in my early 20’s. Those ones aren’t as easy, detox shampoos at least then weren’t very reliable.
Yea, those tests are more reliable in detecting long term use. And very difficult to beat. But very few companies do it because it’s so expensive.
I always wonder what they do if you are completly bald.
Quote: beachbumbabsAgree, but add the Reagan Administration onward as a major scammer. Everyone was basically forced to follow suit and billions have been spent to prove a negative and presumed guilty as innocent.
Not to mention search and seizure. No, I'm not over it. 30+ years now more jobs than not, you have to prove you're not on drugs, and keep proving it through random or periodic testing.
Reasonable suspicion, erratic behavior, fine. Do your test.
Just like every other war, the war on drugs is all about $$$$ and maintaining control over people.
Quote: gamerfreakYea, those tests are more reliable in detecting long term use. But very few companies do it because it’s so expensive.
I always wonder what they do if you are completly bald.
Body hair. Seriously. If you’re bald bald, idk. Yeah we are talking $20/hr jobs 2009-2012 hair follicle, crazy. In high turnover jobs