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March 21st, 2026 at 1:42:28 PM permalink
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In order for it to sell well, they've found the best thing to put of the label of this soup is the dose of protein. But eat a can of this soup and you also get 24 grams of fiber. Unless the rest of your meals are devoid of vegetables and such, you are going to get the daily value recommended ... even by the American Cancer Society, which wants you to get a lot, 30+ grams for men.

In the news is how the Millennials are all coming down with colon cancer at a young age. The theory of course is that their eating too much junk food, and not getting enough fiber. I also suspect the new antacid medicines are not helping, though that's just me. But I know as you get older, if you don't get enough fiber you can be tortured by heartburn and other types of reflux. I think the new medicines control that well, but this allows you to go around skipping the fiber.

This is a delicious way to get it is the thing ... along with many others. You don't have to eat tree bark.

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I don't think it is lack of fiber causing the increase of that disease in the younger population. The (somewhat obfuscatory) term they are using is "colorectal cancer," which covers everything from the large intestine to the anus. The Millennials have mainstreamed a certain behavior that was once only found in the vilest pornography and the demimonde of homosexuality, and my hypothesis is that the disease is being triggered by exposure to an oral papillomavirus. Other communicable diseases that are unexpected given the sanitation standards of the First World are increasing too. It's the kind of possibility that is offensive enough to have been overlooked by professionals.

I go through a lot of black beans myself. But I buy them dry, then I get to have them exactly the way I want them. Last night I did beans and rice, and I use the black Japonica rice which is also higher in fiber.
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There's a vaccine against HPV.
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Against some strains, and it is variable what these viruses do in different parts of the body. We're all full of viruses and one can be harmless in one organ and dangerous in another. They're spreading hepatitis A around too, as well as shigellosis. That's a disgrace, those are diseases that are endemic in the filthiest places in the world. So I'll take my chances just not being a dirty pig, and donate my dose of the vaccines to someone who chooses otherwise.
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March 21st, 2026 at 4:02:39 PM permalink
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In order for it to sell well, they've found the best thing to put of the label of this soup is the dose of protein. But eat a can of this soup and you also get 24 grams of fiber. Unless the rest of your meals are devoid of vegetables and such, you are going to get the daily value recommended ... even by the American Cancer Society, which wants you to get a lot, 30+ grams for men.

In the news is how the Millennials are all coming down with colon cancer at a young age. The theory of course is that their eating too much junk food, and not getting enough fiber. I also suspect the new antacid medicines are not helping, though that's just me. But I know as you get older, if you don't get enough fiber you can be tortured by heartburn and other types of reflux. I think the new medicines control that well, but this allows you to go around skipping the fiber.

This is a delicious way to get it is the thing ... along with many others. You don't have to eat tree bark.

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I don't think it is lack of fiber causing the increase of that disease in the younger population. The (somewhat obfuscatory) term they are using is "colorectal cancer," which covers everything from the large intestine to the anus. The Millennials have mainstreamed a certain behavior that was once only found in the vilest pornography and the demimonde of homosexuality, and my hypothesis is that the disease is being triggered by exposure to an oral papillomavirus. Other communicable diseases that are unexpected given the sanitation standards of the First World are increasing too. It's the kind of possibility that is offensive enough to have been overlooked by professionals.

I go through a lot of black beans myself. But I buy them dry, then I get to have them exactly the way I want them. Last night I did beans and rice, and I use the black Japonica rice which is also higher in fiber.
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There's a vaccine against HPV.
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Against some strains, and it is variable what these viruses do in different parts of the body. We're all full of viruses and one can be harmless in one organ and dangerous in another. They're spreading hepatitis A around too, as well as shigellosis. That's a disgrace, those are diseases that are endemic in the filthiest places in the world. So I'll take my chances just not being a dirty pig, and donate my dose of the vaccines to someone who chooses otherwise.
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Well,since your hypothesis is only a, well, hypothesis, the rest of us should make the safer bet of moderating personal conduct AND getting vaccinated. After all, this is a gambling forum and we should always encourage making the best bet.

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March 21st, 2026 at 4:46:22 PM permalink
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I've never been diagnosed with high blood pressure

they would have this or something similar with low sodium though
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Your blood pressure is the least of it when it comes to salt in your diet.

Beyond high blood pressure, excessive dietary salt causes
significant health issues, including heart disease, stroke,
and kidney disease. It also leads to fluid retention (bloating),
increased calcium loss causing osteoporosis, increased risk
of stomach cancer, and a higher risk of obesity or metabolic syndrome.

I do not even have high blood pressure and I avoid salt like it's a poison which it basically is. 2200 mg is the recommended daily amount. Most Americans consume 3000 to 4000 mg a day with 3500 mg being the average. I try and keep mine below 1500 mg and its not that hard because I don't eat any processed food which is where most of the salt shows up in the diet.
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March 21st, 2026 at 6:22:56 PM permalink
The day I went to the hospital with a heart attack, I think I had around 5 times the recommended sodium intake. It was never a problem for me, until it was.

Now, I drink plenty of water, and try to keep the sodium under the limit (my care team says 2400 mg).

Once I feel that pang of heartburn about 20 minutes after a little too much salt, I start slamming water bottles to dilute it and flush it out. It seems to help.
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March 21st, 2026 at 6:53:57 PM permalink
I avoid most high-sodium dishes and try to stay in the 2000-2500 range, although it's a recent development. We never kept salt on the table as a family, and I rarely add it to anything. If I eat something relatively high in salt, I'll skimp on it in the meals around it.
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March 21st, 2026 at 6:55:09 PM permalink
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The day I went to the hospital with a heart attack, I think I had around 5 times the recommended sodium intake. It was never a problem for me, until it was.

Now, I drink plenty of water, and try to keep the sodium under the limit (my care team says 2400 mg).

Once I feel that pang of heartburn about 20 minutes after a little too much salt, I start slamming water bottles to dilute it and flush it out. It seems to help.
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I have always had ridiculously high blood pressure. Sadly, I don't do anything about it and i still probably consume two to three times the normal doses. It took about ten years, having tried just about every medication, and finally found one that keeps it reasonable despite my terrible eating habits. It is rare that I say anything is too salty.

My last blood pressure emergency I went to Urgent Care for an unrelated issue. The nurse takes my BP and immediately leaves the room and comes back with the doctor. He took my BP about three times over 20 minutes probably assuming the machine was not functioning properly. He finally took it manually and got the same reading. 253/151. He told me I was currently having a stroke and called me an ambulance. Fortunately, I did not have a stroke and after spending five days in the hospital they got me on a strong BP pill called Nifedipine 90mg. Today my BP is regularly under 150/90.
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March 21st, 2026 at 7:05:50 PM permalink
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I've never been diagnosed with high blood pressure

they would have this or something similar with low sodium though
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Your blood pressure is the least of it when it comes to salt in your diet.

Beyond high blood pressure, excessive dietary salt causes
significant health issues, including heart disease, stroke,
and kidney disease. It also leads to fluid retention (bloating),
increased calcium loss causing osteoporosis, increased risk
of stomach cancer, and a higher risk of obesity or metabolic syndrome.

I do not even have high blood pressure and I avoid salt like it's a poison which it basically is. 2200 mg is the recommended daily amount. Most Americans consume 3000 to 4000 mg a day with 3500 mg being the average. I try and keep mine below 1500 mg and its not that hard because I don't eat any processed food which is where most of the salt shows up in the diet.
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The cardiovascular, cerebrovascular, and kidney problems are themselves effects of the high blood pressure. Excessive salt in itself can cause kidney failure, but it would have to be really excessive, like what happens when people out of desperation ingest seawater, and I believe that is reversible.

The good news is only some people are susceptible to blood pressure increase due to salt. If you have a BP cuff, it's an easy and safe experiment to do on yourself, to see if it affects you.

As we see recently with corrections to Federal dietary guidelines, a lot of what we learned about nutrition we got from people who are selling something. Remember all those commercials in the 1970s for Parkay margarine, and for Fleischmann's margarine with "Mr. Cholesterol," trying to convince us that we like margarine or that there is any reason to buy it other than poverty (or kosher cooking)? All those diet program salesmen telling us what a healthy weight is. Salt substitutes and unsalted prepared foods were being heavily marketed at a time too. Vitamins and nutritional supplements that turned out to be fads, and harmless at best.

The most powerful motivator of human behavior is fear, and in anything having to do with health including the medical profession, exploiting people's fear of death is one of the most popular and powerful marketing strategies.
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March 21st, 2026 at 7:06:45 PM permalink
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The day I went to the hospital with a heart attack, I think I had around 5 times the recommended sodium intake. It was never a problem for me, until it was.

Now, I drink plenty of water, and try to keep the sodium under the limit (my care team says 2400 mg).

Once I feel that pang of heartburn about 20 minutes after a little too much salt, I start slamming water bottles to dilute it and flush it out. It seems to help.
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I have always had ridiculously high blood pressure. Sadly, I don't do anything about it and i still probably consume two to three times the normal doses. It took about ten years, having tried just about every medication, and finally found one that keeps it reasonable despite my terrible eating habits. It is rare that I say anything is too salty.

My last blood pressure emergency I went to Urgent Care for an unrelated issue. The nurse takes my BP and immediately leaves the room and comes back with the doctor. He took my BP about three times over 20 minutes probably assuming the machine was not functioning properly. He finally took it manually and got the same reading. 253/151. He told me I was currently having a stroke and called me an ambulance. Fortunately, I did not have a stroke and after spending five days in the hospital they got me on a strong BP pill called Nifedipine 90mg. Today my BP is regularly under 150/90.
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Some high blood pressures,in and of themselves even in the absence of any other illness or injury or medical condition,is a medical urgency.A BP that high will lead to a blown head gasket very quickly.
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March 21st, 2026 at 7:36:27 PM permalink
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The day I went to the hospital with a heart attack, I think I had around 5 times the recommended sodium intake. It was never a problem for me, until it was.

Now, I drink plenty of water, and try to keep the sodium under the limit (my care team says 2400 mg).

Once I feel that pang of heartburn about 20 minutes after a little too much salt, I start slamming water bottles to dilute it and flush it out. It seems to help.
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I have always had ridiculously high blood pressure. Sadly, I don't do anything about it and i still probably consume two to three times the normal doses. It took about ten years, having tried just about every medication, and finally found one that keeps it reasonable despite my terrible eating habits. It is rare that I say anything is too salty.

My last blood pressure emergency I went to Urgent Care for an unrelated issue. The nurse takes my BP and immediately leaves the room and comes back with the doctor. He took my BP about three times over 20 minutes probably assuming the machine was not functioning properly. He finally took it manually and got the same reading. 253/151. He told me I was currently having a stroke and called me an ambulance. Fortunately, I did not have a stroke and after spending five days in the hospital they got me on a strong BP pill called Nifedipine 90mg. Today my BP is regularly under 150/90.
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Some high blood pressures,in and of themselves even in the absence of any other illness or injury or medical condition,is a medical urgency.A BP that high will lead to a blown head gasket very quickly.
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I get high blood pressure in exactly one kind of environment. You already know what it is! Apparently it's so common it has a name- "white coat syndrome."

What is 125/70 at home becomes 160/100 even with a dentist checking it. I feel it just walking into a Walgreen's, as soon as I see pills or medical supplies the reaction begins and I start planning an escape route. It makes no sense at all but that's the definition of a phobia. If it made sense it would be something else.
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March 21st, 2026 at 7:36:46 PM permalink
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I've never been diagnosed with high blood pressure

they would have this or something similar with low sodium though
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Your blood pressure is the least of it when it comes to salt in your diet.

Beyond high blood pressure, excessive dietary salt causes
significant health issues, including heart disease, stroke,
and kidney disease. It also leads to fluid retention (bloating),
increased calcium loss causing osteoporosis, increased risk
of stomach cancer, and a higher risk of obesity or metabolic syndrome.

I do not even have high blood pressure and I avoid salt like it's a poison which it basically is. 2200 mg is the recommended daily amount. Most Americans consume 3000 to 4000 mg a day with 3500 mg being the average. I try and keep mine below 1500 mg and its not that hard because I don't eat any processed food which is where most of the salt shows up in the diet.
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The cardiovascular, cerebrovascular, and kidney problems are themselves effects of the high blood pressure.
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"Excessive salt intake can harm your health even if you
have normal blood pressure. High sodium intake causes
water retention, leading to bloating, stiffness in
blood vessels, and increased strain on the heart, which
can cause kidney disease, stomach cancer, and
osteoporosis over time."

Yes high blood pressure can cause the things you mentioned but they can also be caused by salt alone even if you don't have high blood pressure.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 1:40:27 AM permalink
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I don't think it is lack of fiber causing the increase of that disease in the younger population. The (somewhat obfuscatory) term they are using is "colorectal cancer," which covers everything from the large intestine to the anus. The Millennials have mainstreamed a certain behavior that was once only found in the vilest pornography and the demimonde of homosexuality, and my hypothesis is that the disease is being triggered by exposure to an oral papillomavirus. Other communicable diseases that are unexpected given the sanitation standards of the First World are increasing too. It's the kind of possibility that is offensive enough to have been overlooked by professionals.

I go through a lot of black beans myself. But I buy them dry, then I get to have them exactly the way I want them. Last night I did beans and rice, and I use the black Japonica rice which is also higher in fiber.
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I'll have to try that rice, never heard of it. I am really pretty good at cooking white rice, but brown or wild rice won't come out right for me ... I like them so I use the 90 second microwave versions

Any cooking tips? Any fix for the way it undoubtedly looks?
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March 22nd, 2026 at 1:54:02 AM permalink
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Any cooking tips? Any fix for the way it undoubtedly looks?
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What kind of rice cooker do you have?

(There is a Tiger JBV-A10U at the house. My family isn't sophisticated enough to deal with all the settings on a Cuckoo or Zojirushi. The computerized controls do offer a significant upgrade over the push down magnetic lever type.)
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March 22nd, 2026 at 1:57:13 AM permalink
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I don't think it is lack of fiber causing the increase of that disease in the younger population. The (somewhat obfuscatory) term they are using is "colorectal cancer," which covers everything from the large intestine to the anus. The Millennials have mainstreamed a certain behavior that was once only found in the vilest pornography and the demimonde of homosexuality, and my hypothesis is that the disease is being triggered by exposure to an oral papillomavirus. Other communicable diseases that are unexpected given the sanitation standards of the First World are increasing too. It's the kind of possibility that is offensive enough to have been overlooked by professionals.

I go through a lot of black beans myself. But I buy them dry, then I get to have them exactly the way I want them. Last night I did beans and rice, and I use the black Japonica rice which is also higher in fiber.
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I'll have to try that rice, never heard of it. I am really pretty good at cooking white rice, but brown or wild rice won't come out right for me ... I like them so I use the 90 second microwave versions

Any cooking tips? Any fix for the way it undoubtedly looks?
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First I put about a half cup each of beans and rice in the pot, add olive oil and shake until it's all coated, add water and let soak overnight. Add a little salt if you like, simmer for 3 hours, then some minced onion is good, pour into bowl, top with cheddar, and you have a cheap and nutritious meal.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 4:11:41 AM permalink
I never went the way of the rice cooker, just use a pot

thanks for the tips
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March 22nd, 2026 at 4:29:14 AM permalink
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I never went the way of the rice cooker, just use a pot

thanks for the tips
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The rice cooker at the house has one button for white rice, a different button for brown rice, and two other buttons for doing other things. There are scales inside for dosing the water - so many scoops of white rice get this level of water; so many scoops of brown get that level. The computer adjusts the cooking time based on how quickly the water heats up - it knows how much heat the appliance can produce, and a certain speed of temperature rise implies a cerrain batch size.

I could nerd out on all those details over the stove, but my daughters absolutely will not. They can manage 3 gou scoops, water to the 3 scoop line, push button. Ta-da, it came out good, and they helped. Nobody forgot a pot burning on the stove, and it stays ready for the next 5 or 6 hours.

I hear the instant pot electric pressure cookers have a decent rice cooking program, and can often be acquired through the Goodwill store's "unwanted gift rehoming project" for very modest prices.

Otherwise, baking rice in a casserole dish seems to be a very popular "easy mode" approach, although the energy cost is pretty awful.

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March 22nd, 2026 at 3:10:32 PM permalink
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Any cooking tips? Any fix for the way it undoubtedly looks?
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What kind of rice cooker do you have?

(There is a Tiger JBV-A10U at the house. My family isn't sophisticated enough to deal with all the settings on a Cuckoo or Zojirushi. The computerized controls do offer a significant upgrade over the push down magnetic lever type.)
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Why would anybody with any kind of weight problem be eating rice.Or potatoes or pasta or bread for that matter.Rice has more carbohydrate than any of the others and will put weight on you like a runaway freight train. It's why the poor people of the world eat so much rice, it's extremely high in calories and carbohydrate and it keeps them alive. In the West it just makes us fat. I love rice I love baked potatoes I love homemade white bread but I can't eat any of it and have not in years and years. We are lucky in the United States because we have so many food choices I just found other things I like to eat just as much as the things I quit eating.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 5:22:51 PM permalink
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Any cooking tips? Any fix for the way it undoubtedly looks?
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What kind of rice cooker do you have?

(There is a Tiger JBV-A10U at the house. My family isn't sophisticated enough to deal with all the settings on a Cuckoo or Zojirushi. The computerized controls do offer a significant upgrade over the push down magnetic lever type.)
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Why would anybody with any kind of weight problem be eating rice.Or potatoes or pasta or bread for that matter.Rice has more carbohydrate than any of the others and will put weight on you like a runaway freight train. It's why the poor people of the world eat so much rice, it's extremely high in calories and carbohydrate and it keeps them alive. In the West it just makes us fat. I love rice I love baked potatoes I love homemade white bread but I can't eat any of it and have not in years and years. We are lucky in the United States because we have so many food choices I just found other things I like to eat just as much as the things I quit eating.
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My care team is pretty insistent that I don't cut out carbohydrates completely. I think they're afraid I would switch to eating nothing but bacon fried in butter.

Your sincere concern is deeply touching.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 5:36:28 PM permalink
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My care team is pretty insistent that I don't cut out carbohydrates completely. I think they're afraid I would switch to eating nothing but bacon fried in butter.

Your sincere concern is deeply touching.
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I don't give up carbohydrates completely either but I certainly don't eat rice or potatoes or wheat flour bread or pasta. There's lots of other things that contain carbohydrate. My point is when somebody expresses a concern over their weight and then they tell me they eat rice and pasta and potatoes I don't think they're very serious. I just did a stir fry tonight with raw fish and and garlic and turnips and celery and canned diced tomatoes and chillies and zucchini and it was wonderful and very very low in carb. Would it have been even better if I dumped a cup of rice in there and let it absorb all the liquid, probably. But that would defeat the whole purpose and it was just fine like it was. And I haven't had sincere concern about anything since the 80s.

Here's something I am sincere about. We're to the point now where care team has very little meaning, you have to be your own care team now because the medical profession is going to hell in a handbasket so quick that I can't believe it. You have to double and triple and quadruple check everything they tell you, I won't go into details but it didn't used to be that way. Incompetence is rampant in the medical profession you see it on the YouTube videos done by doctors who tell you stay out of the hospital any way you possibly can and if you do have to go make sure you have a loved one checking everything they do. My own personal doctor who graduated from medical school in 2018 is a nice guy but the more I get to know him the more I realize he's not a very good doctor. And this is becoming more and more common. Look out for yourself because nobody else is going to.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 5:57:49 PM permalink
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I think they're afraid I would switch to eating nothing but bacon fried in butter.



Sounds like a typical dinner to me.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 6:03:29 PM permalink
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My care team is pretty insistent that I don't cut out carbohydrates completely. I think they're afraid I would switch to eating nothing but bacon fried in butter.

Your sincere concern is deeply touching.
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I don't give up carbohydrates completely either but I certainly don't eat rice or potatoes or wheat flour bread or pasta. There's lots of other things that contain carbohydrate. My point is when somebody expresses a concern over their weight and then they tell me they eat rice and pasta and potatoes I don't think they're very serious. I just did a stir fry tonight with raw fish and and garlic and turnips and celery and canned diced tomatoes and chillies and zucchini and it was wonderful and very very low in carb. Would it have been even better if I dumped a cup of rice in there and let it absorb all the liquid, probably. But that would defeat the whole purpose and it was just fine like it was. And I haven't had sincere concern about anything since the 80s.

Here's something I am sincere about. We're to the point now where care team has very little meaning, you have to be your own care team now because the medical profession is going to hell in a handbasket so quick that I can't believe it. You have to double and triple and quadruple check everything they tell you, I won't go into details but it didn't used to be that way. Incompetence is rampant in the medical profession you see it on the YouTube videos done by doctors who tell you stay out of the hospital any way you possibly can and if you do have to go make sure you have a loved one checking everything they do. My own personal doctor who graduated from medical school in 2018 is a nice guy but the more I get to know him the more I realize he's not a very good doctor. And this is becoming more and more common. Look out for yourself because nobody else is going to.
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In baseball there is truth! We can look in the Baseball Almanac, and see how all those men, who lived their lives in superlative physical condition, died: around the same ages and of the same causes as everyone else. We can also see what is the proper height to weight ratio: a man who is 6'2" can weigh between 160 and 260 pounds and be stronger and faster than you could ever imagine being.

Then we look around the world, and compare an Eskimo who gets most of his calories from whale blubber to a Brahmin or Jain Indian who would never consider eating meat. They both do fine. A Chinaman who eats rice every day, an Argentine who eats beef every day, a Finn who has alcohol with every meal and an Islamic Arab who has never tasted alcohol. Which is healthiest and will live the longest? It would be an absurd thing to guess at.

Observable fact suggests that as a species it doesn't matter much what we eat; we are omnivores and can adapt to any diet. Moderation is the key. In our primitive state moderation is usually enforced by necessity and now it must be self-enforced.

Today I had a can of tuna (albacore) with melted cheddar on a French bread. Tomorrow I go for a long bike ride, and I will have one hardboiled egg before and one after to make sure I have plenty of circulating protein as my muscles are stressed, and rebuilt.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 6:17:46 PM permalink
Wrap slices of bacon around a stick of butter, place on warm fry bread, and fold over like a tortilla. Some folks substitute eggs for the butter.
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March 22nd, 2026 at 8:29:28 PM permalink
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My care team is pretty insistent that I don't cut out carbohydrates completely. I think they're afraid I would switch to eating nothing but bacon fried in butter.

Your sincere concern is deeply touching.
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I don't give up carbohydrates completely either but I certainly don't eat rice or potatoes or wheat flour bread or pasta. There's lots of other things that contain carbohydrate. My point is when somebody expresses a concern over their weight and then they tell me they eat rice and pasta and potatoes I don't think they're very serious. I just did a stir fry tonight with raw fish and and garlic and turnips and celery and canned diced tomatoes and chillies and zucchini and it was wonderful and very very low in carb. Would it have been even better if I dumped a cup of rice in there and let it absorb all the liquid, probably. But that would defeat the whole purpose and it was just fine like it was. And I haven't had sincere concern about anything since the 80s.

Here's something I am sincere about. We're to the point now where care team has very little meaning, you have to be your own care team now because the medical profession is going to hell in a handbasket so quick that I can't believe it. You have to double and triple and quadruple check everything they tell you, I won't go into details but it didn't used to be that way. Incompetence is rampant in the medical profession you see it on the YouTube videos done by doctors who tell you stay out of the hospital any way you possibly can and if you do have to go make sure you have a loved one checking everything they do. My own personal doctor who graduated from medical school in 2018 is a nice guy but the more I get to know him the more I realize he's not a very good doctor. And this is becoming more and more common. Look out for yourself because nobody else is going to.
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Today I had a can of tuna (albacore) with melted cheddar on a French bread. Tomorrow I go for a long bike ride, and I will have one hardboiled egg before and one after to make sure I have plenty of circulating protein as my muscles are stressed, and rebuilt.
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Nothing wrong with that except I wouldn't use albacore because of the Mercury and I would use a dry parmesan instead of the cheddar. I'm not against eating eggs every day they are just about the perfect food.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 4:59:33 AM permalink
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a couple of months ago I started drinking 2 small glasses of warm water per day - heated in the microwave
there has been a great improvement in my digestion from this :

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"AI Overview

Drinking hot or warm water can aid digestion by relaxing the gastrointestinal tract, stimulating regular bowel movements, and potentially breaking down food faster. It is often recommended in the morning or before meals to reduce bloating, ease constipation, and soothe the stomach, though the benefits are largely due to hydration and heat-induced muscle relaxation.

Key Digestive Benefits of Hot Water

Aids Digestion: Warm water helps break down food, particularly fats, more quickly than cold water.
Relieves Constipation: It stimulates peristalsis—the muscle contractions that move food and waste through the intestines.
Soothes the Gut: The warmth can relax tight gastrointestinal muscles, reducing feelings of bloating and discomfort.
Improves Hydration: Water close to body temperature is absorbed more efficiently.

drinking warm or hot water to aid digestion is a deeply rooted tradition in Chinese culture, heavily influenced by Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). It is believed to support digestive "qi" (energy), balance internal "yin/yang" (cold/heat), and improve circulation, especially compared to cold water, which is thought to weaken the stomach and spleen. "

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March 23rd, 2026 at 9:40:56 AM permalink
Isn't that the idea behind drinking tea?

I've read that drinking ice water helps lose weight.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 1:28:57 PM permalink
Today I kept it pretty simple — grabbed a big salad for lunch with some grilled chicken and veggies, and later had a slice of homemade pizza 😄. Between bites, I was chilling with some online fun on — it’s great for quick, casual entertainment when you’re taking a break or waiting for dinner to finish cooking.

What about you — what did your meals look like today?
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March 23rd, 2026 at 1:48:41 PM permalink
Scrambled eggs with cheese and a diced fresh green pepper for breakfast.

Sliced ribeye on a toasted tortilla, with tzatziki sauce for lunch
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March 23rd, 2026 at 2:08:33 PM permalink
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Isn't that the idea behind drinking tea?

I've read that drinking ice water helps lose weight.
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The extra calories burned by drinking ice water instead of room temp helps exactly almost zero to loose weight.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 3:15:46 PM permalink
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Isn't that the idea behind drinking tea?

I've read that drinking ice water helps lose weight.
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The extra calories burned by drinking ice water instead of room temp helps exactly almost zero to loose weight.
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And now I've read that it doesn't help with weight loss. The internet is a great thing.
I had a friend who lost a substantial amount of weight to get a promotion, and he swore by it. I've read good and bad things about it. If it helps someone drink ice water instead of liquid sugar, it's a good thing. The colder the beverage, the more I tend to drink.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 3:46:34 PM permalink
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Quote: billryan

Isn't that the idea behind drinking tea?

I've read that drinking ice water helps lose weight.
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The extra calories burned by drinking ice water instead of room temp helps exactly almost zero to loose weight.
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And now I've read that it doesn't help with weight loss. The internet is a great thing.
I had a friend who lost a substantial amount of weight to get a promotion, and he swore by it. I've read good and bad things about it. If it helps someone drink ice water instead of liquid sugar, it's a good thing. The colder the beverage, the more I tend to drink.
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I've read on the internet that the entire population of Arizona are all good looking and extremely fit human beings. Then I saw pictures of the people who actually lived in Arizona who don't seem to fit that description at all. What is the lesson we can learn here.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 6:05:25 PM permalink
Notes from an internet lecture indicate that drinking 3 liters of ice water burns about 2,000 calories a week. Do that for a year, and that's over 100,000 calories- which most people would say is good for twenty pounds or more.
It also says 16 ounces of ice water, thirty minutes before a meal, will reduce your appetite. Another lecture says it's a placebo.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 6:33:22 PM permalink
How many calories does drinking 3 liters of room temp water burn?

Drinking any volume of aqua, ice, room temp or warm, fills up the stomach and induces fullness. It does not, however, somehow induce major calorie utilization or somehow reduce caloric needs.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 7:48:30 PM permalink
I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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March 23rd, 2026 at 8:11:52 PM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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150 calories translates to about 0.043 pounds. That's about 16 pounds in a year. Not almost exactly zero, but juice ain't worth the squeeze to go out of your way to drink ice cold water. Just substitute water for sugary beverages and that'll be sufficient.

Don't have Alexa, and I don't use Siri. They are always listening.

Trying something new for breakfast tomorrow: Homemade sausage egg and cheese sandwich with turkey sausage. Have a craving for something greasy.
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March 24th, 2026 at 2:35:15 AM permalink
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March 24th, 2026 at 2:40:37 AM permalink
Follow any advice about dieting, reducing appetite someway, or burning calories with a trick if you like, they all work

The problem is, eventually you give up on them because at heart you want good, filling food

For example, I was doing great with losing weight when I decided I like vegetables so why not use that to deal with my appetite? I knew celery, which some people use, was asking for failure with me, so for snacking I instead used all kinds of other raw vegetables, finding some new ones too. Close to zero calories and I'm here to tell you, yes, I was into it because, well, as I say I like vegetables. Carrots in particular I would wolf down like crazy. I quit eating so many beans because I was getting plenty enough fiber, thank you very much.

then one day I just went over the whole list of these various veggies and realized my system had realized I tricked it. I could eat like that but enjoyment was going to be gone and it was going to be me forcing myself to eat it. The body knows. I had concern I was going to decide i didn't even like vegetables anymore and that was the end of that .
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One of the things I have given up on is gravy, a big feature of my mom's cooking that is just too fattening. The other day after doing pretty good dieting I saw that a skillet that pieces of chicken had been cooked it the night before was just sitting there telling me it would make some good gravy. Hadn't indulged in a long time and went for it, I'm good at turning something like that skillet into a huge quantity of gravy. Cooking rice and finding a leftover lamb chop, it was on. Poured the gravy over all of it and went to town.

The rest of the day I had this great feeling of satisfaction, of finally 'getting filled up', I mean it was memorable. I have to just leave it like that though, repeating that very often is just out of the question. Gravy is very similar to bread, same ingredients and then you might put it on even more bread [which I did too]

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March 24th, 2026 at 11:52:37 AM permalink
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I've lost a lot of weight without really trying to
I'm down about 40 pounds from my heaviest
I think that's fairly common with older men
I still enjoy food - but I don't like eating a lot anymore

my arms and legs are now thin
my lower belly still has a little pooch - but it's not much

I eat just one piece of toast and coffee in the a.m.
I have my main meal at noon
I don't eat dinner - usually I'll have just a couple of snacks in the p.m.

I do vigorous exercise for about 45 minutes every single day - I tried running but it hurt my joints - so now I do fast walking

I didn't start doing that to lose weight - I just wanted to feel healthy

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March 26th, 2026 at 12:20:42 PM permalink
I cooked four naked chicken breasts for use in fajitas and the like.
I cooked one in the air fryer, pan-fried one plain, one with a small amount of olive oil, and one drenched in oil. All were pre-seasoned with a KFC-type spice.
Once they were cooked and shredded, combining the four styles resulted in a tasty mix. I'll add some flour tortillas, hatch chile, Oaxacan, Cheddar, and American cheese, and a small amount of Mexican sour cream.
I'm curious how many meals four breasts can produce.
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March 28th, 2026 at 8:39:17 AM permalink


For breakfast, a nice little chuckeye and some mushrooms fried in the drippings.

If mushrooms aren't mineral nor animal, does that make them vegetable?

(Bob - relax. I haven't had a steak in a while.)
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March 28th, 2026 at 8:49:23 AM permalink
Looks good, although I prefer my steak less cooked and my mushrooms almost blackened.

I had a homemade burrito with cheesy eggs, chia seeds, bacon bits, mushrooms, and a dab of mild salsa. It's still a work in progress. I need to find the right ratios.
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Hopefully it's still suitably rare in the middle. Not quite "if you stab it, she'll moo", but definitely pink.
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March 28th, 2026 at 8:57:27 AM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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March 28th, 2026 at 9:12:54 AM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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I'm not sure what plunging into ice water would do to my heart, and I am in no hurry to find out. It's easier to pound bottles of ice-cold water while watching TV. I love the taste of ice water, and sometimes I can feel it take effect. I'll be exhausted after a set of pickleball, but a few ounces of ice-cold water works wonders. Especially when the other side is sucking down rum and cokes.
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March 28th, 2026 at 1:27:48 PM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
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March 28th, 2026 at 1:50:04 PM permalink
Discussing black beans and black rice before: I was able to refrain from eating it long enough to get a picture.

This is what it looks like before the secret ingredient is added:


And this is what it looks like afterward:
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
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Way out of line.
7 days off to think about why.
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March 28th, 2026 at 4:04:58 PM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
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Way out of line.
7 days off to think about why.
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Took me 10 seconds to try and figure out why you suspended EB. And 5 more seconds to disagree. Lighten up. Cut his suspension to one day. In the back and forth history of EB and BR antagonizing each other this is pretty mild.

Took wifey out for pizza. Her request. I had my espresso martini to start…. I always have them substitute extra Bailey’s for Kahlua. Lowers the overall sugar content. I don’t mind it bitter.
Eggplant Rollatini appetizer was excellent. Eggplant was soft but not slimy.
Wife orders veggie pizza. She wants no peppers or mushrooms…. So my side has double those items.

(Since EB is suspended I won’t get chastised for the martini!)
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March 28th, 2026 at 4:12:38 PM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
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If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
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I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
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Way out of line.
7 days off to think about why.
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Took me 10 seconds to try and figure out why you suspended EB. And 5 more seconds to disagree. Lighten up. Cut his suspension to one day. In the back and forth history of EB and BR antagonizing each other this is pretty mild.

Took wifey out for pizza. Her request. I had my espresso martini to start…. I always have them substitute extra Bailey’s for Kahlua. Lowers the overall sugar content. I don’t mind it bitter.
Eggplant Rollatini appetizer was excellent. Eggplant was soft but not slimy.
Wife orders veggie pizza. She wants no peppers or mushrooms…. So my side has double those items.

(Since EB is suspended I won’t get chastised for the martini!)
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Espresso Martini is about the only drink I order at a restaurant.
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
link to original post



If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
link to original post



I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
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Way out of line.
7 days off to think about why.
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Took me 10 seconds to try and figure out why you suspended EB. And 5 more seconds to disagree. Lighten up. Cut his suspension to one day. In the back and forth history of EB and BR antagonizing each other this is pretty mild.

Took wifey out for pizza. Her request. I had my espresso martini to start…. I always have them substitute extra Bailey’s for Kahlua. Lowers the overall sugar content. I don’t mind it bitter.
Eggplant Rollatini appetizer was excellent. Eggplant was soft but not slimy.
Wife orders veggie pizza. She wants no peppers or mushrooms…. So my side has double those items.

(Since EB is suspended I won’t get chastised for the martini!)
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I've had EB on ignore for years. I challenge you to show me an example of me antagonizing him since 2024. I don't give a damn if hes suspended or not, but don't pretend I have any sort of back and forth with him.
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March 28th, 2026 at 6:13:20 PM permalink
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I asked Alexa, and she replied that drinking three liters of room-temperature water would burn 15-20 calories, while the same amount of ice water would burn closer to 150. She said she'd be happy to debate you on it if you have Alexa Plus.
link to original post



If you pour ice water on yourself your body should burn calories also as it tries to maintain your temp.

I assume that’s the idea behind drinking it.
link to original post



I think soaking his head in a tub of ice water for 12 hours a day would do him the most good. Tons of calorie loss is possible
link to original post



Way out of line.
7 days off to think about why.
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Took me 10 seconds to try and figure out why you suspended EB. And 5 more seconds to disagree. Lighten up. Cut his suspension to one day. In the back and forth history of EB and BR antagonizing each other this is pretty mild.

Took wifey out for pizza. Her request. I had my espresso martini to start…. I always have them substitute extra Bailey’s for Kahlua. Lowers the overall sugar content. I don’t mind it bitter.
Eggplant Rollatini appetizer was excellent. Eggplant was soft but not slimy.
Wife orders veggie pizza. She wants no peppers or mushrooms…. So my side has double those items.

(Since EB is suspended I won’t get chastised for the martini!)
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Is Bailey's really much less sugar than Kahlua?

I'll at least consider the clemency.
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