Quote: aerulesI used to do Uber, but it was not worth it IMO. The last straw for me was when they sent me JFK and took me offline right after I dropped my passenger, and wouldn't give me a return fare back to New Jersey.
Can you explain what "took me offline" means? You wanted to be available and they just turned you off? Why would they do that?
For example- Uber software shows they need 200 cars to handle expected demand for the next ninety minutes. Why have drivers 225-400 sitting around not making money for the company when you can make them go somewhere else to make uber more money.
For awhile, JFK set a designated lot for uber drivers to wait, and once that lot was full, no more drivers were added to the Q. That proved to be a disaster as a few eastern European drivers learned how to game the system.
Quote: billryanJust a guess, but perhaps they had too many drivers already sitting at JFK. It would seem silly to keep more drivers there than could reasonably be expected to get a job in a certain time frame.
For example- Uber software shows they need 200 cars to handle expected demand for the next ninety minutes. Why have drivers 225-400 sitting around not making money for the company when you can make them go somewhere else to make uber more money.
For awhile, JFK set a designated lot for uber drivers to wait, and once that lot was full, no more drivers were added to the Q. That proved to be a disaster as a few eastern European drivers learned how to game the system.
I can understand the Q game and I have no problem waiting. But to not even let me go online to get a fare back to NJ. and then allowing New York and Pennsylvania based drivers to come over to New Jersey and steal fares from us is my line.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think there is actually significantly LESS actual activity. Starting in the 70s, it became known these things were happening, men started getting arrested or at least accused, and kids became aware that it was OK to tell someone,
Yup, totally agree. The stuff I saw
in the workplace in the 60's and
into the 70's, the blatant and
unrelenting sexual harassment
of women, makes my hair stand
up just thinking about it.
The inappropriate touching, the
barely veiled sexual comments,
the talking about woman's body
parts in front of people. And this
was mostly by male supervisors.
Fellow workers would do things
like give a girl a metal screw and
ask her, snickering, 'wanna screw'?
I can only imagine what it was like
in previous decades. So actual sexual
assault is way down now because
women won't tolerate anything. In
the bad old days they tolerated anything
and everything because they would
be fired if they didn't.
You reminded me of an incident from the 70's that I hadn't thought of in many years. There was some kind of special threaded fastener that was being considered for use on a piece of manufacturing equipment in the facility where I worked. We had a sample fastener that several of the engineers were looking at and discussing in front of the secretary's desk. (Of course the secretary was female; was there another kind?)Quote: EvenBob...like give a girl a metal screw and ask....
While the secretary was looking at it herself, another engineer entered the room. The secretary got up and went to him. She took his hand, held it gently, looked deeply into his eyes, and (as she slipped the fastener into his hand) said in a sultry voice, "How would you like to have a really special screw?"
He nearly blew a gasket before he realized that he was holding something other than her hand. Afterward, he agreed that it was a very funny scene.
So who was being harassed?
Quote: aerulesI can understand the Q game and I have no problem waiting. But to not even let me go online to get a fare back to NJ. and then allowing New York and Pennsylvania based drivers to come over to New Jersey and steal fares from us is my line.
Your mistake was thinking uber cared about you.
Quote: aerulesI used to do Uber, but it was not worth it IMO. The last straw for me was when they sent me JFK and took me offline right after I dropped my passenger, and wouldn't give me a return fare back to New Jersey.
It's because new York is not in your zone. You could have declined that ride into NY
Quote: Mikey75I have driven for both Uber and Lyft. On both platforms I had to wait for a background check to go through before i could drive. Once the background check cleared I was good to go with Uber. With Lyft I had to meet with a person who got in the car with me and I had to take them on a mock ride. After they inspected my car they could approve or deny me. In my opinion Lyft takes the checks a step further than Uber.
Lyft no longer does this.
Quote: rxwineAre services like these are easier to cause situations like this. Someone pulled up pretending to be Uber. Then they raped her. It is tougher to pretend to be a big Yellow taxi for too long.
“We don’t know for sure if this guy posed as an Uber or she just thought she was getting into an Uber and wasn’t paying attention,” Goeckel said. “She called an Uber, but we don’t think the car that she got into was the actual Uber that she called.”
http://www.gainesville.com/news/20180302/uf-student-dropped-off-raped-after-calling-uber-police-say
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Lyft just reported that there 1,807 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles in 2019
there were also 4 people who died during a physical assault
they are also owning up to more than 4,000 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles between 2017 and 2019
https://www.mcezone.com/lyft-says-there-were-1807-sexual-assaults-in-rides-in-2019/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-21/lyft-reports-4-000-sexual-assault-claims-in-first-safety-study
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Quote: lilredroosterSOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES
Here is a comprehensive list of assaults by Uber and Lyft drivers in this order:
1. Deaths
2. Assaults
3. Sexual Assaults
4. Kidnappings
5. Felons
6. Imposters
7. Other serious incidents
Under the category of sexual assaults more than 100 incidents are listed. IDK maybe they missed a few.
Who wants to be the first to step up and call it fake news?
http://www.whosdrivingyou.org/rideshare-incidents
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I know very little about the newer car taxi services such as you’re mentioning here in today’s time. Versus the yellow cab in most of the major cities.
I do know with the yellow cab you need a police background check the same as you do with the railroad, law enforcement, casinos, banks and different companies that require employee background checks.
Although that wouldn’t stop anyone from committing a crime but will identify and weed out those with criminal backgrounds. Does Uber and Lyft require that or are they only concerned with drivers license records and insurance on the employees vehicle?
MY daughter remembers a time. We'd go to the elementary school to run. IT WAS fenced in. She'd went over to the swings.
My son, other daughter, and I were maybe 200 yards away. I saw an old car pull up and man and woman got out and were walking toward her. I BROKE INTO a dead ass sprint, screaming and hollering. They jumped back in their car and went spending away.
SHE still remembers it probably 25 years ago.. IT makes a person stop and think.
Once someone climbed over the bushes at the aria. And knocked on my window. He thought i was uber.
Quote: Marcusclark66Quote: lilredroosterSOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES
Here is a comprehensive list of assaults by Uber and Lyft drivers in this order:
1. Deaths
2. Assaults
3. Sexual Assaults
4. Kidnappings
5. Felons
6. Imposters
7. Other serious incidents
Under the category of sexual assaults more than 100 incidents are listed. IDK maybe they missed a few.
Who wants to be the first to step up and call it fake news?
http://www.whosdrivingyou.org/rideshare-incidents
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I know very little about the newer car taxi services such as you’re mentioning here in today’s time. Versus the yellow cab in most of the major cities.
I do know with the yellow cab you need a police background check the same as you do with the railroad, law enforcement, casinos, banks and different companies that require employee background checks.
Although that wouldn’t stop anyone from committing a crime but will identify and weed out those with criminal backgrounds. Does Uber and Lyft require that or are they only concerned with drivers license records and insurance on the employees vehicle?
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Well the quick answer is Uber and Lyft drivers are not employees (which they will make very clear to you in the "application process"). Both have one of those online instant background checks when you sign up, which probably vary by State (different States may have stricter requirements). But, its virtually instant, I imagine if you have some kind of flag you get stopped maybe for additional questions, I don't really know. They make it very easy to sign up,
According to their website now (Uber), the only permanent automatic disqualifiers (regardless of how long ago) are:
"murder, sexual assault, terrorism-related offenses ". And " other serious crimes" (which is not elaborated).
Potential disqualifiers based on disposition and age are:
"violent crimes, sexual offenses, and registered sex offender status"
https://help.uber.com/driving-and-delivering/article/what-does-the-background-check-look-for?nodeId=ee210269-89bf-4bd9-87f6-43471300ebf2
I'm too lazy to look up Lyft, but I am sure its similar (if not identical).
My guess is, if you can buy a gun instantly at a store (no flag or further details are keyed up), you can probably instantly register for Uber.
And, yeah they do seem to care more about insurance and registration and the type of vehicle than anything else (at least I recall that being my impression).
Drivers are often portrayed as the problem, but actually most assaults that occur in Ubers are from the passengers attacking drivers (even more so if you look per capita, much more customers than drivers) because Drivers are under far heavier scrutiny, nobody is going to become an Uber Driver to assault people (ok probably some people are, especially if you go off of the global data as you are, not just U.S.), but -at least in the U.S. -its hard if not impossible to get away with (as it should be), where as its actually easy to make a fake customer account (as you can pay with prepaid cards or gifts cards and use a burner phone), and there is no ID verification (its actually a fairly common scam/crime for fake Uber customer accounts to lure Drivers to secluded places to rob or steal from because its an easy way to get a vehicle exactly where you want it to be putting aside assault from crazy customers). Having customers verify ID (even if not a background check, but just proof that they are a real person) would solve this, but there is no motivation for this as Uber is afraid it would scare off too many customers.
I am not experiencing it here, but it sounds like in a lot of markets in some major cities there is a massive driver shortage, so I am sure that will make the standards even looser (and encourage more forgiving attitudes during manual reviews of flagged backgrounds). I know once you are a Driver the main thing they care about is your rating and customer reviews, I don't think they do ongoing background checks or even ongoing DMV checks (they do make sure you upload your new insurance card every time it renews, they are very strict about that).
I am reposting this because now 2 people have posted a quote from me that is very old with data that is very old
it looks like my latest post which has new data was missed - the links with the news stories are with my OP from yesterday at 2:48 a.m. - here is the OP from yesterday:
"Lyft just reported that there 1,807 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles in 2019
there were also 4 people who died during a physical assault
they are also owning up to more than 4,000 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles between 2017 and 2019"
I liked Gandler's post - it was very thoughtful
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Quote: lilredrooster________
I am reposting this because now 2 people have posted a quote from me that is very old with data that is very old
it looks like my latest post which has new data was missed - the links with the news stories are with my OP from yesterday at 2:48 a.m. - here is the OP from yesterday:
"Lyft just reported that there 1,807 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles in 2019
there were also 4 people who died during a physical assault
they are also owning up to more than 4,000 sexual assaults in Lyft vehicles between 2017 and 2019"
I liked Gandler's post - it was very thoughtful
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I am sorry, I did not mean to quote the wrong page, I was more so replying to the reply regarding the background check process and it kind of chain quoted.
I just read both of your new articles, and if I missed it I apologize did it break down the demographics (by that I mean passenger or driver)?
The closet thing I can find is this from Lyft: "Lyft said overall, 52% of incidents are reported by riders, 38% by drivers and 10% by third parties".
Also, it seems like this is just U.S. (at least according to 2nd article) so its a more accurate gauge. But, it would still be good to know how many "reported incidents" result in conviction or even just action by Uber/Lyft if they find wrongdoing in their review.
For example for sexual assaults specifically it would not surprise me if many were passenger on passenger (groups of intoxicated people who just met getting a ride somewhere, etc....) or passenger on driver. Its hard to blame Uber or Lyft (not saying that is what you are doing) for crimes in Ubers and Lyfts if it ends up being mostly passengers.
My advice to anyone who wants to drive for Uber/Lyft (is firstly don't), but if you must get a dashcam, lots of crazy reports by customers, and Uber has a system where you are often guilty in their eyes until you prove your innocence (even over minor things like allegations you would not turn your AC on). I am not saying most of these reported incidents are lies (or even a drunken misremembering of events), but its possible at least a portion are, especially if we don't know the outcome of the convictions.