Carry in Casino

Quote: Face

Quote: Daddydoc

In NJ, the best that could happen would be to kicked out and read the trespass act. You'd very likely end up behind bars. I carry regularly, and I don't even feel comfortable locking a pistol in my glove box when I go to NJ.

Ah, it was you.

As I said, NJ Safe Transport laws allow the transport of legal firearms through the state of NJ. Any stops must be "reasonable", like a fill up or hotel stay. Your casino stop is in violation of the law.

Further, the transport of weapons, especially a handgun, must be done with the gun both unloaded as well as inaccessible from the passenger compartment. Your placement in the glove box is a direct violation. Guns must either be locked in the trunk, or, if a pick up, in a locked case, separate from ammo, and under the rear seat.

You also must be legal in both the state you left and the state to which you are headed, but I hope you at least have that covered.

You shouldn't feel comfortable. You're a traffic stop away from jail.

Quote: Face

Thanks, Romes. But while I know a bit, I know enough to know that I know nothing.

Self defense (SD) carrying is a whole 'nuther world. The amount of information you need to be a proper carrier is extensive indeed. If you don't have it, you're a liability....

After all that, you have attitude. An SD carrier must be the meekest of the meek. No matter if a guy budges in line, a guy makes a comment on your girl's rack, or a guy describes his night alone with your mother, you need to be impervious to it all. If a comment or gesture gives you even a twinge of the reds, you should not carry for SD. It is not a shield, it is not power. It is a tool. Use it for what it's for.

Quote: Face

The bar is the one law I don't have a good argument about. At least even in NY, they give some leeway. For example, I can carry in Red Lobster, I just can't carry into the bar area or have a drink. That's fair. If it's just a bar, then it's illegal. I think that's OK because if I'm at a bar, then I'm going there to drink. There is no situation where I'll be in a bar and not be drinking, and if I'm drinking, I shouldn't be carrying. Having recently been in an SD scenario, I couldn't imagine being buzzed for one. It must be like being in a plane during a flame out. You want all of your faculties running at 100% because if you mess up you're dead.

But other than that, I mostly agree. No guns at Universities is terrible. No guns within 1,000' of school is idiotic (I break that law weekly and haven't gone to school in 20 years). No guns in Post Office? That's just a mindless hassle that makes my gun a liability, as I must leave it unattended instead of safely tucked on my person. Did you know that part of the SAFEAct was to make roaming "no gun" zones around all elected officials? You could be on your porch, the Governor drives by in his motorcade, BOOM! You're a felon.

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And people wonder why we get so amped in our resistance.

Quote: coilman

Guns in a casino can be a deadly mix


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/02/gamb-f02.html

Quote: coilman

Guns in a casino can be a deadly mix


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/02/gamb-f02.html

Quote: terapined

George Zimmerman just got busted last nite for aggravated assault.
No surprised in the least that this gun nut spent the nite in jail last nite.
What's scary is an unhinged nut like this has lots of guns.
He's got an appearance scheduled before a judge this morning.

Quote: AZDuffman

I will wait for details before making an opinion on this.

Lets remember this "gun nut" likely had his life saved by a gun after Martin attacked him and was beating his head into the ground.

Quote: Gandler

Do you think the gun was the culprit?

That is a very liberal site and even that does not blame the gun laws it only blames the casinos industry's "parasitic tactics".....

Quote: terapined

Bond set at 5k.
Must surrender all guns.
I live in Florida not too far from Sanford.
I do not own a gun.
I feel a lot safer now that this gun nut has no guns for now.

Quote: AZDuffman

What makes you use the term "gun nut?" I don't make the connection.

Or is anyone you disagree with just a "nut" somehow?

Quote: terapined

Yea I hear all this self defense stuff but cmon, he was going around the neighborhood stalking neighbors with a gun. He's a nutcase.

Quote: AZDuffman

"Stalking neighbors?" You must get your news from a less than fair and balanced source. He was a part of the neighborhood watch. He carried a gun for protection, which he ended up needing as the neighborhood was bad enough that he was attacked and beaten for no reason.

I will take more "nut cases" like that.

Quote: terapined

If this guy had a good head on his shoulders, he would have faded away.
Never heard from him again
Instead, He's a nutcase, cant stay out of trouble. Domestic violence , road rage.
Spent last nite in jail.
He's a nut case. All nut cases should be required to surrender all guns as he has been ordered to do.

Quote: FleaStiff

Convictions?
You can be in trouble before an arrest much less a conviction.
Get stopped for a traffic infraction and the cops will learn you have CCP and are going to be screaming at you about the gun even if its back at your home.

In Vegas, I'd not recommend any firearms or holsters. Too easy to wind up in a confrontation with the police.

Quote: Gandler

How many of the above was he convicted on?

Quote: AZDuffman

"Stalking neighbors?" You must get your news from a less than fair and balanced source. He was a part of the neighborhood watch. He carried a gun for protection, which he ended up needing as the neighborhood was bad enough that he was attacked and beaten for no reason.

I will take more "nut cases" like that.

Quote: Face

I think we're about to have a rare disagreement.

I generally side with Zim not being guilty of murder in the original deal. That doesn't mean I can't find fault. Maybe some would be OK patrolling their own neighborhood armed. I do it, too. But I wouldn't be approaching or confronting anyone precisely because I have a gun. I'm neither police nor militia; my gun is for protection. My protection. My last ditch effort in my protection.

Zim could've called the cops. Could've followed by car. Could've trailed from a hundred feet away. He didn't. He confronted. This doesn't make his actions suddenly "illegal". I just don't condone it and judge him accordingly. His actions - improper but legal.

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But there was a confrontation in that original case. In his domestic, there was a confrontation. Now here again, there was a confrontation.

We just recently went on an anti-PC jihad. Stereotyping, prejudging, we're for it, right? I mean, it's a natural instinct. You see a black and yellow buzzy thing, you don't mess with it. Might just be a boo fly, but you don't take chances. Doing this same but with people should be justified, right?

So why not here? We know the attitude a gunner should have. We know confrontation should be on the last page of SD. But here Zim has done it three times. Three times in relative rapid succession.

It's OK to judge him. It doesn't make his previous actions or your previous judgements wrong. I just find the defense odd. It nearly reminds me of religion. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. Why can't we just call it a duck? If he's not actually crazy, then he at least needs some training. A whole GD bunch of it.

Quote: terapined

He's a nut case.
He's certainly not a convicted nut case and I clearly never inferred that.
He clearly can not handle his emotions and has a temper.
These are the nut cases you want to have guns?
The judge made a very sensible and reasonable decision to take away his guns.
Living in the same state as this person, I feel safer now that this loon has his guns taken away.

Quote: Gandler

So he is a nut because a lot of people who do not like him (ex wife, some lawyers son, and race baiters) made claims about him that didn't hold up in court?

If I lived in that area I would feel far safer with him carrying because I know that he will be rough with criminals in my neighborhood.

Quote: terapined

A judge this morning ordered Zim to surrender all his guns. Why is that?
Could it be that the judge believes people are safer around Zim if he is unarmed.
Could it be that the judge believes that Zim with his anger issues should not have access to guns.
I totally agree with the judge. Tampa is not too far from Central Florida, I do feel a lot safer.

Quote: Gandler

I don't know the legal standard. But it could be because he has pending litigation?

Quote: Face

I think we're about to have a rare disagreement.

I generally side with Zim not being guilty of murder in the original deal. That doesn't mean I can't find fault. Maybe some would be OK patrolling their own neighborhood armed. I do it, too. But I wouldn't be approaching or confronting anyone precisely because I have a gun. I'm neither police nor militia; my gun is for protection. My protection. My last ditch effort in my protection.

Zim could've called the cops. Could've followed by car. Could've trailed from a hundred feet away. He didn't. He confronted. This doesn't make his actions suddenly "illegal". I just don't condone it and judge him accordingly. His actions - improper but legal.

But there was a confrontation in that original case. In his domestic, there was a confrontation. Now here again, there was a confrontation.

We just recently went on an anti-PC jihad. Stereotyping, prejudging, we're for it, right? I mean, it's a natural instinct. You see a black and yellow buzzy thing, you don't mess with it. Might just be a boo fly, but you don't take chances. Doing this same but with people should be justified, right?

So why not here? We know the attitude a gunner should have. We know confrontation should be on the last page of SD. But here Zim has done it three times. Three times in relative rapid succession.

It's OK to judge him. It doesn't make his previous actions or your previous judgements wrong. I just find the defense odd. It nearly reminds me of religion. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. Why can't we just call it a duck? If he's not actually crazy, then he at least needs some training. A whole GD bunch of it.

Quote: terapined

Are you serious?
His guns were taken away simply due to the fact he has pending litigation??????????
Its a factor but the major factor below is.
A judge looks at the charges and the history of those involved before making a decision such as this.
Its about public safety and the safety of those involved in the case until this is resolved.
I feel safer :-)

Quote: Kerkebet

Why is it that the poor people are always beating up on the other poor people?

Quote: terapined

Excellent post.
I appreciate pro gun people with common sense such as Face.

Quote: terapined

I do feel a lot safer.

Quote: terapined

A judge this morning ordered Zim to surrender all his guns. Why is that?
Could it be that the judge believes people are safer around Zim if he is unarmed.
Could it be that the judge believes that Zim with his anger issues should not have access to guns.
I totally agree with the judge. Tampa is not too far from Central Florida, I do feel a lot safer.

Quote: Face

Imagine everyone knowing you killed someone. The trial is largely pointless. The grocer, the barista, the mechanic, the vet, the farmer, the handy man, every single person in your entire city is going to judge you. Assuming neither is a recent transplant and neither lives in an LA sized city, you may likely patronize the same stores, run into the same people, maybe even share the same friends. Every single facet of your life is permanently and drastically changed. The only time every single person in the city isn't looking at you is when you're home. And then, you have to deal with your own judgement. Talk about imprisonment.

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On taking his guns, I'm both unsure of my personal feelings, and unsure of actual law. I avoid Fla. and haven't been in a decade (save for a turnaround trip for child retrieval). I do know that NY takes them arbitrarily if you, I dunno, tell your doctor you're sad, or because your 10yr old pointed a finger at another kid and pretended to shoot him (both true stories, btw). So them taking them isn't abnormal. Maybe it is to those of you who are free. I wouldn't know =p

Quote: AZDuffman

Lets see, you feel safer because a judge restricted the freedoms of a person convicted of nothing? Lets not forget that the gun was not part of the crime.

Wouldn't it make more sense for you to feel safer had the judge ordered Zimmerman to turn over all the wine bottles in his house?

Quote: 1BB

Having family in Massachusetts, I'm familiar with their gun laws which are among the strictest in the nation. If a citizen is served with a restraining order, they must surrender all firearms. Period. No exceptions.

If someone has a grudge against you, an ex wife, disgruntled neighbor, etc, all they have to do is tell a convincing story. It doesn't have to be true and it's tough luck for you. You lose your weapons, permits and your rights with no recourse at the time.

Quote: terapined

Of course I feel safer.
I plan on driving through Zim's stomping grounds next week, central Fl, too see a friend.
No chance of encountering in a road rage incident with Zim and have him follow me to a gas station and threaten my life with a gun.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-threatened-to-shoot-man-in-road-rage-incident-florida-police-say/28030558

Quote: Daddydoc

Actually, there is not "no chance" of the above. The judge ordered him to give up his guns. Unless he is behind bars, how do you know that a friend or family member won't loan him a pistol? Your feeling of being safer may not necessarily comport with reality.

Quote: Daddydoc

Actually, there is not "no chance" of the above. The judge ordered him to give up his guns. Unless he is behind bars, how do you know that a friend or family member won't loan him a pistol? Your feeling of being safer may not necessarily comport with reality.

Quote: terapined

Quote: Daddydoc

Actually, there is not "no chance" of the above. The judge ordered him to give up his guns. Unless he is behind bars, how do you know that a friend or family member won't loan him a pistol? Your feeling of being safer may not necessarily comport with reality.

Absolutely right,
Cant trust nut case gun owners to follow a judges lawful order.
Excellent point.

Quote: terapined

Quote: Daddydoc

Actually, there is not "no chance" of the above. The judge ordered him to give up his guns. Unless he is behind bars, how do you know that a friend or family member won't loan him a pistol? Your feeling of being safer may not necessarily comport with reality.

Absolutely right,
Cant trust nut case gun owners to follow a judges lawful order.
Excellent point.

Quote: Gandler

So tell me again how he can't be trusted?

Quote: Gandler

So tell me again how he can't be trusted?

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The purpose of the Neighborhood Watch Program is to enable citizens to act as the “eyes and ears” within their community and alert law enforcement immediately when they notice suspicious activity. However, the Neighborhood Watch Program does not in any way, shape, or form advocate citizens to take the law in their own hands. The success of the program has established Neighborhood Watch as the nation’s premier crime prevention and community mobilization program. Visible signs of the program are seen throughout America on street signs, window decals, community block parties and service projects.

"The alleged action of a “self-appointed neighborhood watchman” last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” stated NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.). “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”

“The Neighborhood Watch Program fosters collaboration and cooperation with the community and local law enforcement by encouraging citizens to be aware of what is going on in their communities and contact law enforcement if they suspect something – NOT take the law in their own hands,” continued Executive Director Kennard. “The alleged participant ignored everything the Neighborhood Watch Program stands for and it resulted in a young man losing his life. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Trayvon Martin during this terrible time.”

National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) is one of the largest associations of law enforcement professionals in the United States, representing more than 3,000 elected sheriffs across the nation, and a total membership of more than 20,000. NSA is a non-profit organization dedicated to raising the level of professionalism among sheriffs, their deputies, and others in the field of criminal justice and public safety. Throughout its seventy-two year history, NSA has served as an information clearinghouse for sheriffs, deputies, chiefs of police, other law enforcement professionals, state governments and the federal government. For more information on the NSA and the Neighborhood Watch Program, please visit www.sheriffs.org.

Quote: terapined

I might decide to put on my hoodie at night to be toasty warm and take a walk through my neighborhood unarmed to the local convenience store to pick up a bag of skittles and an iced tea. I know, with all the gun nuts out there, I may be stalked by an armed gun nut.

Quote: AZDuffman

Well, just don't attack anyone and you should have no problems. Attack a guy and he has the total right to stand his ground.

Quote: terapined

I might decide to put on my hoodie at night to be toasty warm and take a walk through my neighborhood unarmed to the local convenience store to pick up a bag of skittles and an iced tea. I know, with all the gun nuts out there, I may be stalked by an armed gun nut.

Quote: rxwine

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/news/national-sheriff-s-association-0

Quote: terapined

So stalking a neighbor with a gun it totally cool in your book. Not mine. Its totally not cool for a neighbor to stalk me with a gun. I could make some snide comment such as , dude, trying to compensate for the small junk between your legs. If the neighbor stalker is a nut case, could get killed simply for busting the guys balls. Not literally busting, busting in the sense of just using words.