Carry in Casino

I am curious about Nevada (and local) Carry laws.

I live in New Jersey, a state where if you are not a cop or a senator you will not get a carry permit of any type. So carrying in an AC casino is never a thought/issue or option here.

But in Nevada a state where I assume (a quick google search implied that carrying is at least more possible than NJ) carrying is fairly common how does that normally work in casinos?

I would imagine that casinos, especially big casinos would not like customers carrying (at least not open carry) inside? Do most casinos kick out people who try to bring firearms in?

Also, do security guards in NV casinos tend to be armed?

I understand why casinos would not want customers to carry, but the more I think about it, I would love to carry in a casino. I hate walking around unarmed with so much cash. If carrying is not allowed in casinos, should it be? Or should weapons stay as far out of casinos as possible?


I am an NRA member, and a huge bill of rights person. I think all states should allow any type of carry for all qualified gun owners. However, casinos as private business obviously should be able to prohibit any type of item they don't like. And, I think casinos should of course have a right to as many armed security guards as they want/need, and even non-security staff should be allowed to be armed if qualified.

I personally would leave a casino if I saw open carry. I would never ever go back to that casino ever.
I personally would leave any business that allows open carry and never do any business there forever.
I would never let a person enter my home if they were carrying.

Quote: terapined

I personally would leave a casino if I saw open carry. I would never ever go back to that casino ever.
I personally would leave any business that allows open carry and never do any business there forever.
I would never let a person enter my home if they were carrying.

Care to elaborate why so anti-gun?

Quote: Gandler

I am curious about Nevada (and local) Carry laws.

I live in New Jersey, a state where if you are not a cop or a senator you will not get a carry permit of any type. So carrying in an AC casino is never a thought/issue or option here.

But in Nevada a state where I assume (a quick google search implied that carrying is at least more possible than NJ) carrying is fairly common how does that normally work in casinos?

I would imagine that casinos, especially big casinos would not like customers carrying (at least not open carry) inside? Do most casinos kick out people who try to bring firearms in?

Also, do security guards in NV casinos tend to be armed?

I understand why casinos would not want customers to carry, but the more I think about it, I would love to carry in a casino. I hate walking around unarmed with so much cash. If carrying is not allowed in casinos, should it be? Or should weapons stay as far out of casinos as possible?


I am an NRA member, and a huge bill of rights person. I think all states should allow any type of carry for all qualified gun owners. However, casinos as private business obviously should be able to prohibit any type of item they don't like. And, I think casinos should of course have a right to as many armed security guards as they want/need, and even non-security staff should be allowed to be armed if qualified.

Not one of them guys who do stuff just because its their right.(purposely walk around parks with a gun, knowing cops will come) Casinos in NV can 86 you because your hat is green.

Security guards do have guns. I have seen signs disallowing guns.

Quote: Gandler

Care to elaborate why so anti-gun?

I simply feel safer among the unarmed.
I'm a cash person and never ever felt the need to carry. Never even occurred to me.
If I am carrying a large amount of cash, I would feel very nervous seeing guns. I would leave.
If I am in a place with no guns, cant get shot.
I feel very comfortable walking around a casino with a large amount of cash because I dont see guns except on guards or police.
Guns equal power, power corrupts.

Quote: terapined

I simply feel safer among the unarmed.
I'm a cash person and never ever felt the need to carry. Never even occurred to me.
If I am carrying a large amount of cash, I would feel very nervous seeing guns. I would leave.
If I am in a place with no guns, cant get shot.

Where do you live? There are some counties in America where people carry (often high powered rifles, low end pistols, and everything in between) literally everywhere (bars, restaurants, stores, sidewalk)... There are some towns where if you don't carry you look strange.

Criminals don't follow gun laws (and generally don't open carry). If I see somebody with a gun I feel safe since I know they are likely a legal carrier.

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I feel very comfortable walking around a casino with a large amount of cash because I dont see guns except on guards or police.
Guns equal power, power corrupts.

I do as well. But I still think people should have a right to carry.

Guns prevent any one person from having too much power.... They only corrupt if just the government and their cronies has them...

Quote: AxelWolf

Not one of them guys who do stuff just because its their right.(purposely walk around parks with a gun, knowing cops will come) Casinos in NV can 86 you because your hat is green.

Security guards do have guns. I have seen signs disallowing guns.

I know. Of course casinos can ban who they like.

But what guys are you talking about?

Quote: Gandler

I know. Of course casinos can ban who they like.

But what guys are you talking about?

I think you understand what I'm getting at. If it doesn't apply to you no need for further explanation.

Honesty why do you want to carry a gun into the casino?

I have never seen anyone open carry in a casino or on the street in Vegas.

There's very few problems in the casinos.

NVM I went back and read everything you wrote.

I think casinos are the safest places to carry cash. Poker players constantly carry large amounts of cash and everybody knows who they are. You see them pulling out wads of hundreds 20 to 30k without a blink from anyone.

Quote: AxelWolf

I think you understand what I'm getting at. If it doesn't apply to you no need for further explanation.

Honesty why do you want to carry a gun into the casino?

I have never seen anyone open carry in a casino or on the street in Vegas.

There's very few problems in the casinos.

I don't understand what you are getting at. I live in NJ, I don't (and can't) carry anywhere if that's what you are asking. I don't even carry knives or anything. Getting a carry permit in NJ is impossible unless you are a Cop (or friends with Governor Porkchops apparently).

The only time I carry firearms(in America) are military weapons when I am doing Army stuff (I am part time National Guard). Other than that I never carry weapons in America, though I avoid bad neighborhoods (which is hard in NJ).

I don't want to carry weapons anywhere, but there are some places that you need to. Statistically the more guns the less crime. NJ is prime example. We have some of the strictest (possibly the strictest) gun laws in America, and we have some of the worst areas in America. Try walking around some areas of Camden, you would want a weapon real fast. Because gangs don't follow the gun laws.... All gun laws do is punish law-abiding citizens.

I forget which founding father said this or thereabouts (not a precise quote) "The only time we will need our rights to firearms is when we no longer have them".

If people could carry anywhere it would be a perfect country. Like I said I don't carry at all in my regular life, and I don't feel slightly nervous around anyone who does (I have spent quite a bit of time in parts of Texas and Alaska where guns are basically parts of peoples daily clothes...) In fact I feel safer knowing that non-gang members in the city are better armed than the street thugs. There is a reason people don't get mugged in cities where carrying is the norm...

In New Jersey there are NO firearms allowed in the casino. Even off duty police officers and licensed full carry retired officers are PROHIBITED from having a weapon in a casino. Same applies to school grounds

In this day and age when Islamic terrorists can enter a casino and start blasting away I would preferred to have off duty and retired officers be armed.

Quote: Scan

In New Jersey there are NO firearms allowed in the casino. Even off duty police officers and licensed full carry retired officers are PROHIBITED from having a weapon in a casino. Same applies to school grounds

In this day and age when Islamic terrorists can enter a casino and start blasting away I would preferred to have off duty and retired officers be armed.

I know that was one of the issues on my mind when I posted this. Its a debate that comes up every couple of years in AC if casino security should be allowed to carry. That is why I wanted to compare it to Vegas and other state policies.

But yes, Casinos with so many people (and so much money and valuables) should certainly have armed guards. Not to mention, terrorism aside for the moment, in AC just the street gangs and violent thugs everywhere would make armed security a good idea. The gangs carry weapons, anyone who has walked the streets of AC in certain neighborhoods has doubtlessly seen weapons which are certainly not legal (at any rate not legal to carry as they do)...

Terrorism is also another very valid point.

Everything below is a guess:

- The worst that will happen to you is you're kicked out and read the trespass act. You will be kicked out no matter what, if you were very nice about it maybe they would let you return. Nothing with regards to the law would happen, except maybe you get harassed by a policeman if you decide to be a Ron Paul asshole about it.

Quote: ahiromu

Everything below is a guess:

- The worst that will happen to you is you're kicked out and read the trespass act. You will be kicked out no matter what, if you were very nice about it maybe they would let you return. Nothing with regards to the law would happen, except maybe you get harassed by a policeman if you decide to be a Ron Paul asshole about it.

In NJ, the best that could happen would be to kicked out and read the trespass act. You'd very likely end up behind bars. I carry regularly, and I don't even feel comfortable locking a pistol in my glove box when I go to NJ.

Quote: Gandler

Where do you live? There are some counties in America where people carry (often high powered rifles, low end pistols, and everything in between) literally everywhere (bars, restaurants, stores, sidewalk)... There are some towns where if you don't carry you look strange.

Criminals don't follow gun laws (and generally don't open carry). If I see somebody with a gun I feel safe since I know they are likely a legal carrier

I live in Tampa. My favorite activity is riding my bicycle.
I'm a bicycle commuter.
On weekends I bike many different bike paths encountering a ton of people in public. I bike everywhere, Upper Tampa Bay Trail, Downtown Tampa with the longest sidewalk in the country along Bayshore blvd, Ybor city, St Pete ect. I have never ever seen open carry in my life. I hope it stays that way. I feel very safe not seeing guns.
Besides, If I saw open carry, I might make a snide comment such as, dude, you trying to compensate for the small junk between your legs. I'd probably get shot

Quote: Gandler

I do as well. But I still think people should have a right to carry.
Guns prevent any one person from having too much power.... They only corrupt if just the government and their cronies has them...

Huh? in a room with a 100 people and one person has a gun. 1 person has power. And if power corrupts as it always does, that person will have too much power. 2 people in room and one has a gun, again, 1 person has too much power. power corrupts
You believe you have a right to open carry.
I have rights also.
I have the right not to allow guns in my home.
Unarmed guests are always welcome in my home.
I have the right not to do business with any store , restaurant or casino that allows open carry.

I'm looking at my sig, hmm, its just a song lol.

Look folks, there is a time and a place for Constitutional Rights. Las Vegas ain't the place. Not ever.

Just carrying an obviously empty holster can and will get you in trouble.

I believe Nevada is an open carry state but the LV METRO cops don't believe that it is. Not ever. You really want to press the issue with them? Those cops don't hesitate to shoot on the crowded, tourist-thronged strip.

Not all security guards in casinos are armed. One casino had a gang versus gang versus guards shoot out and the only thing that was obvious is that the guards couldn't hit anything at all.

You are supposed to leave Vegas with a whole lot of money, not some holes in you.

Come on Vacation; Leave on Probation is bad enough. Don't risk making it fatal.

Quote: Daddydoc

In NJ, the best that could happen would be to kicked out and read the trespass act. You'd very likely end up behind bars. I carry regularly, and I don't even feel comfortable locking a pistol in my glove box when I go to NJ.

I left out something, my assumption was for Vegas with a proper permit / legally owned gun. You'd be openly violating the law in NJ, so agreed, that's the best that would happen.

Quote: terapined

I live in Tampa. My favorite activity is riding my bicycle.
I'm a bicycle commuter.
On weekends I bike many different bike paths encountering a ton of people in public. I bike everywhere, Upper Tampa Bay Trail, Downtown Tampa with the longest sidewalk in the country along Bayshore blvd, Ybor city, St Pete ect. I have never ever seen open carry in my life. I hope it stays that way. I feel very safe not seeing guns.
Besides, If I saw open carry, I might make a snide comment such as, dude, you trying to compensate for the small junk between your legs. I'd probably get shot

It must be nice to live in an Upper Class safe town where you have never been mugged in the street. Not everyone is so lucky to have rich parents.

Some people hunt and defend themselves to survive.

The fact that you would make snide comments about people protecting themselves is your right, as it is anyone elses right to carry (as well as make snide comments back). Both are protected by the Bill of Rights.

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Huh? in a room with a 100 people and one person has a gun. 1 person has power. And if power corrupts as it always does, that person will have too much power. 2 people in room and one has a gun, again, 1 person has too much power. power corrupts
You believe you have a right to open carry.
I have rights also.
I have the right not to allow guns in my home.
Unarmed guests are always welcome in my home.
I have the right not to do business with any store , restaurant or casino that allows open carry.

I'm looking at my sig, hmm, its just a song lol.

In a free society everyone in the room would carry, everyone would be equally scared of everyone. There will always be one with a gun whether he a crook or an instigator, there may as well be everyone else to counter him...

Guns are power, everything the founding fathers wrote about private arms confirms that citizens need guns to prevent a tyranny from coming back.

You have every right to ban guns from your property, you have no right to ban guns from mine.

You have every right to boycott bushiness that have armed security. You have no right to tell them they can't have armed security.

Quote: Gandler

It must be nice to live in an Upper Class safe town where you have never been mugged in the street. Not everyone is so lucky to have rich parents. .

?? Both parents working class, Father a scientist employed by the state, passed away 35 years ago. Mom worked the cosemetic counter at the Dept store. passed away 11 years ago. I live in a townhouse in a working class neighborhood.
I've traveled a lot on my own. Been on tons of downtown streets all over the country. I was a deadhead, saw the boys over a hundred times all over the country. All those years travelling, visiting cities and downtowns, never ever considered carrying. Last thought on my mind when touring the country with the Dead. I loved Madison Square Garden in a slightly seedy section of NYC. Loved the area. Never considered carrying. Having too much fun:-) We generally got a room at the econo lodge in Jersey, cheaper then NYC, talk about a bad neighborhood. On tour, its about keeping your wits about yourself.

Quote: Gandler

The fact that you would make snide comments about people protecting themselves is your right, as it is anyone elses right to carry (as well as make snide comments back). Both are protected by the Bill of Rights. .

Absolutely, the problem is my snide comment could get me killed even though I am totally whithin my rights .

Quote: Gandler

In a free society everyone in the room would carry.

Wrong. I am part of everyone and I will never ever carry. Wrong.

Quote: terapined

?? Both parents working class, Father a scientist employed by the state, passed away 35 years ago. Mom worked the cosemetic counter at the Dept store. passed away 11 years ago. I live in a townhouse in a working class neighborhood.
I've traveled a lot on my own. Been on tons of downtown streets all over the country. I was a deadhead, saw the boys over a hundred times all over the country. All those years travelling, visiting cities and downtowns, never ever considered carrying. Last thought on my mind when touring the country with the Dead. I loved Madison Square Garden in a slightly seedy section of NYC. Loved the area. Never considered carrying. Having too much fun:-) We generally got a room at the econo lodge in Jersey, cheaper then NYC, talk about a bad neighborhood. On tour, its about keeping your wits about yourself.

Love the grateful dead. Saw Bob Wier a couple times but never the dead as a whole.

However, its not my business, but if you spent your young adult days traveling around going to hundreds of concerts you had a pretty privileged childhood. I come from a middle class (perhaps even upper middle class) family and I could never afford that.

But, you were travelling with I assume dozens or hundreds of people together. That is in no way equatable to walking through a bad neighborhood alone....

I know people who can't afford to buy food and they refuse to collect food stamps so they literally hunt with bows (and occasionally with rifles when they can afford ammo) to obtain food. Some people need firearms to make sure their children survive. I am not trying to call you out, but its a view many people hold, so that is why I am stressing it. If you (not just you, many people) look at firearms as a luxury or a toy, that shows you grew up privileged. There are many people who still hunt to survive (even in America), and there are many parts of the world where if you did not have a rifle in your home you are at risk of getting pillaged by the local warlords...

I grew up very privileged I have no problem admitting that, but I don't judge those who didn't. Also, it may be worth noting my parents are very liberal, borderline hippies, and neither has ever owned a firearm, nor did we have any firearms of any-type ever growing up. So this is not a view I was raised in, but one I adopted because of my evaluation of the world (and actually experiencing bad parts of the world, unlike many in America including much of my family....)

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Absolutely, the problem is my snide comment could get me killed even though I am totally whithin my rights .

When has anyone gotten killed for making a snide comment to a gun owner? Sorry let me rephrase to a legal gun owner (not a criminal/ gang member, thug, etc...)?

If somebody had such a bad anger problem that they would shoot you for a comment they probably would not be eligible to carry in any state...

Can you honestly name me one scenario where a private open carrier (not including cops and criminals) has ever threatened you for your views?

-Edit: Also the fact that you would make a snide comment about penis size to a stranger is beyond immature. I could make a video of me pissing on a Koran on my youtube channel. I would probably end up dead. Would I deserve what is coming to me? I was just exercising my right to free speech? But I did something with the intention of provoking a reaction? I am sure you and most liberals would say I should not have offended a group of people and I have what is coming.... Is it any different if you provoke strangers on the street to prove a point?

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Wrong. I am part of everyone and I will never ever carry. Wrong.

Sorry I meant to say everyone *could*.

But I guarantee you would in some scenario. If you moved to Somalia, you would carry (or you would die)....

Quote: Gandler

Casinos with so many people (and so much money and valuables) should certainly have armed guards.

Certainly not. Was talking to a dealer at my local hinterlands haunt, he mentioned that the response time of law enforcement was less than 4 minutes.

Any situation that requires armed response will take at least that long, and probably be not improved by security guards with guns shooting bystanders.

If they had qualified armed guards, maybe, but these guys are half a step above minimum wage, and most of what they do is check ID's at the door, carry birdcages from the cage to the tables, and escort the cash carts.

I've never seen a casino advertise allowing it. I have seen several, as in, every one I've thought to check, with signs stating that weapons are prohibited.

I've carried in a casino a number of times. Of course, it's not 110* in the shade, so I can dress to conceal. Concealed means concealed, so I've had no issue whatsoever.

I have seen guns be found in casinos which prohibit it. Security is notified and they call on-site PD. The person is approached and pulled to the side. He's informed of the rules and checked for proper license. If valid, and all I've seen were, the patron is escorted to the PD where the gun must be left for him to continue gaming. If the patron doesn't wish to leave his gun, he is allowed to leave the casino.

So carry away. Just obey Gandalf

Quote: Dieter

Certainly not. Was talking to a dealer at my local hinterlands haunt, he mentioned that the response time of law enforcement was less than 4 minutes.

Any situation that requires armed response will take at least that long, and probably be not improved by security guards with guns shooting bystanders.

If they had qualified armed guards, maybe, but these guys are half a step above minimum wage, and most of what they do is check ID's at the door, carry birdcages from the cage to the tables, and escort the cash carts.

Armed Guards obviously would need more training. First they would need to be licensed to carry weapons. They would not just be handing out weapons to random security guards.

And in many states (no clue about NV but I am guessing its the case) armed guards generally require more training and testing. And always make more money than unarmed guards.

And just the presence of armed security detracts shooters from the site (they likely will never use their weapons). Its always easy to choose a target with no armed resistance. When has there ever been an active shooter in a business with an armed security force?

Quote: Gandler

When has there ever been an active shooter in a business with an armed security force?

For the most part, people aren't getting shot now, without armed guards.

I just think we should keep the chances of people getting shot low, by not adding legal guns to the mix.

It's really hard to get shot if nobody has a gun.

I'm not against guns.

I love guns, but I don't feel the NEED to have them.

I'm against stupid people having guns(that's a large group of people). It's to easy for a moron to get one.

You and I both know there are some people who are better equipped with handling guns. In the same way some people are better at driving.

I'm for people who really know how to respect and handle guns to have them. I think they should even allow and encourage select responsible people to get special training with a special licence (along with a annual psychological evaluations) to open carry, or even concealed(as long as they don't get a casino security guard mentality).

The Average person shouldn't be running around with a gun just because its their right. It should be a privilege not a right. You should have to prove yourself worthy of owning a gun.

No mother sitting at home with 3 kids should have a gun just because they got it on a whim. The chances it do more good than harm is not good.

I believe If you live in a rural town it's more acceptable.

When I was 12 My dad let me shoot guns with him, once he trusted me, he bought me a .22 llama at age 13 for my birthday and he unlocked the gun cabinet. I had access to many hand guns and rifles. It wasn't a big deal, It wasn't considered cool and gangster to flash guns to your friends.
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Protecting yourself Against a robbery. Explain how that will work? Do you think they will hold you up with a knife on the street? Do you plan on walking around in Northtown?

Honesty I think its ridiculous to bring one to Vegas for vacation. If your dealing with 30k and you feel unsafe walking to your room or car, call a security guard.

This wont make you feel any better but.......
I have personally known A few people (AP's) who have been targeted or got robbed .

One AP, it was at his house, he strongly believes it was security guards who got his address from a W2G after many jackpots over a few weeks of play. He had a gun but it didn't help, he was ambushed at his front door by 2 or 3 guys.

Other guy Was Canadian Don (I Didn't know him well, but many of my friends did)who was playing poker. He was robbed and murdered at the IP and found in the stairway. Theres a lot of suspension about what the reasons were.

3 of my friends were held up in a bar by some dangerous guys.

My dad was in a bar while it was being robbed by a well armed group.

Unless your going to local bars or handling many 10s of thousands, I wouldn't worry about it.

Quote: Dieter

If they had qualified armed guards, maybe, but these guys are half a step above minimum wage, and most of what they do is check ID's at the door, carry birdcages from the cage to the tables, and escort the cash carts.

The real armed guards in a casino are the ones in the non-public money handling and storage areas below a casino. Even there the emphasis is on unmarked doors, man traps, linked locks (entry door leads to narrow corridor, not the cash room; exit from corridor leads to cash room, but exit door won't open until entry door is closed and locked). Everything is in containers, coins, cash. It only takes a few guards, but they are not kindly old geezers named "Pops".

Guards know:
Sound of running footsteps: Draw.
Slurred voice of drunk: Draw.
Lost employee: Draw.
It isn't draw and shoot, but it is draw.

Quote: Gandler

Love the grateful dead. Saw Bob Wier a couple times but never the dead as a whole.

However, its not my business, but if you spent your young adult days traveling around going to hundreds of concerts you had a pretty privileged childhood. I come from a middle class (perhaps even upper middle class) family and I could never afford that.

But, you were travelling with I assume dozens or hundreds of people together. That is in no way equatable to walking through a bad neighborhood alone....

Yea I saw the Grateful Dead over 100 times. Hardly privileged rich lifestyle.
I worked hard, saved my money. We carpooled to shows. 4 guys, a 30 buck crappy hotel room, that's like 8 bucks for a hotel. Take a week vacation for spring tour 5 shows. Summer tour saw maybe 4 weekend stadium shows still holding a job. Fall tour, take a week vacation, see 5 shows. That's me a working stiff averaging 14 shows a year over a bunch of years adds up to over 100, all while working hard at a job. Its about being a cheapskate, working hard, saving my money and seeing the Grateful Dead. Yea I had envious friends, but they had young kids and I did not. I had different priorities.

Quote: Gandler

When has anyone gotten killed for making a snide comment to a gun owner? Sorry let me rephrase to a legal gun owner (not a criminal/ gang member, thug, etc...)?

Happens all the time, domestic violence. People get shot. People die. Police hate domestic violence calls, tempers flare due to snide insulting comments between couples and sometimes people die including the police.
Look the bottom line is I have never ever encountered a situation in my life where I felt I needed a gun for safety.
You want to own, that's your right.
I feel perfectly safe without a gun.

Quote: FleaStiff

The real armed guards in a casino are the ones in the non-public money handling and storage areas below a casino.

... and I have no objection to that. (Almost) Nobody should be going downstairs, and they should know what to expect when they get there.

I do have a problem with police academy flunkouts patrolling the floor with shootin' irons.

Quote: terapined

I have never ever encountered a situation in my life where I felt I needed a gun for safety.

Surround yourself with friends; then it doesn't matter if they carry or not.

While I own a gun, that is for home protection and I don't support pumping more guns in to our communities (with conceal/open carry) to make them "safer." There are a world of issues that would arise if everyone had a gun. If a casino allows conceal/open carry I would not go to that casino. How many times has a ploppy gotten crazy mad at you for making a BS play, or a deviation from counting? They don't even know what they're mad about because you know you made the CORRECT play! Go check out the "rudest comment" thread, and see how many people have had someone get mad enough to want to hurt them.

This doesn't even take in to account the fights that happen over poker, etc, etc. Money is involved. People get pissed VERY easily. Now imagine they have a gun on their hip. Jesus what a disaster that would be. Now imagine EVERYONE has a gun on their hip (including me)... So now when this guy is red in the face yelling at me about something I feel extremely threatened, and have a gun. Can you say, cluster-f*ck?

At the end of the day there's millions of arguments for both sides. It's just my belief that putting more weapons in to our communities will not make them a more safe place, but a more volatile place. Yes, let's incur 10x the shootings (because everyone has a gun) but hey then the bad guys won't get away with taking my wallet (to which I could just immediately call and cancel my cards, but walk away with my life).

Quote: Face

I have seen guns be found in casinos which prohibit it. Security is notified and they call on-site PD. The person is approached and pulled to the side. He's informed of the rules and checked for proper license. If valid, and all I've seen were, the patron is escorted to the PD where the gun must be left for him to continue gaming. If the patron doesn't wish to leave his gun, he is allowed to leave the casino.

Happened to me a few months ago at Rivers in Pittsburgh, though they just had me lock the pistol in my car.

Starting to think gun talk is similar to DI. Very little talk on the subject, a whole bunch of talk on opinions.

Nevada is a shall-issue state. If you apply for a permit and aren't unqualified, the state must issue the license. Guns aren't as strange to see as they would be in IL, NJ, NY, CA, etc.

NV recognizes a few out of state permits. DO NOT try to intuit which states should be accepted. It's often a confusing and contradictory set of requirements that you'll never guess without researching. Generally states accept licenses from states which have equal or higher requirements to obtain said licenses, but there's so much fluff tossed in. NY, for example, is very stringent on their rules. But NY also doesn't accept licenses from any other state. Other states, in retaliation, often don't recognize NY's because NY is being stupid. So check the list before you travel.

If you're in a stupid state like mine (and Gandler, you are), there are options. For NV, the easiest would be obtaining an Arizona non-resident permit. NV has reciprocity with AZ, so the license is recognized. You'll just have to go through the process of getting the AZ license. There's about 15 states that NV has reciprocity with; get one of those licenses and you're legal.

NV is an open carry state. Do not open carry, ever. Exceptions can be made for private dwellings (your personal room / house) or out in the wild. If you open carry at the grocer, you're an idiot. If you open carry at the Bellagio, you're arrested.

No casino will allow it. There's a thread here somewhere of someone who "made a statement" by carrying an empty holster. He was hassled by Metro all night long. You're going to want a small piece, like a .38 with 2" barrel. Concealed means concealed. Keep it secret; keep it safe.

Don't plan on drinking even a drop. I dunno if it's technically illegal, but typically consumption while carrying is. Often you can't even enter areas that serve alcohol while carrying. But even if NV allows it, don't. Beer and bullets at the ranch is one thing. For self defense, it is completely verboten. "I only had two" is bad on a traffic stop. Imagine how bad it is when defending yourself in a homicide case.

Know gun law, both of where you're going, and where you are. And I mean everything. What are the license requirements? What, if any, are the capacity restrictions? What, if any, are the round restrictions (hollow point, frag, tracer)?Is there duty to inform in the event of a traffic stop? What are the regulations for transport? What level is their Castle Doctrine? Someone here talked about "locking their piece in the car" when they get to AC. That person is guilty, at the very least, of Illegal Possession of a Weapon in the 2nd Degree and faces 5 years jail time. NJ Safe Transport laws do not allow for stopping unless the stop is "reasonable to the act of passing through", like a hotel stay or gas fill up. A casino jaunt is not "reasonable to the act of passing through". KNOW YOUR LAWS!

Gandler, remove your ignorance. Study NV gun law. Know whether you can stand your ground, know if you have duty to retreat, know whether you can defend yourself or yourself and property, and know when it's prudent to do so. You need to know everything, and NEVER assume a gun law. KNOW IT. Once you know NV gun law front and back, then figure out what the hell you're going to do. Traveling with a gun, whether by car, bus, boat, or plane, means you need to be legal both in where you came and where you're going. That means you gotta be legal in NJ, too, or be legal in whichever state you have your cache stashed.

Forget casinos, that's easy. You have a ways to go before contemplating casinos is even on the radar.

Quote: Face

Starting to think gun talk is similar to DI. Very little talk on the subject, a whole bunch of talk on opinions.

Nevada is a shall-issue state. If you apply for a permit and aren't unqualified, the state must issue the license. Guns aren't as strange to see as they would be in IL, NJ, NY, CA, etc.

NV recognizes a few out of state permits. DO NOT try to intuit which states should be accepted. It's often a confusing and contradictory set of requirements that you'll never guess without researching. Generally states accept licenses from states which have equal or higher requirements to obtain said licenses, but there's so much fluff tossed in. NY, for example, is very stringent on their rules. But NY also doesn't accept licenses from any other state. Other states, in retaliation, often don't recognize NY's because NY is being stupid. So check the list before you travel.

If you're in a stupid state like mine (and Gandler, you are), there are options. For NV, the easiest would be obtaining an Arizona non-resident permit. NV has reciprocity with AZ, so the license is recognized. You'll just have to go through the process of getting the AZ license. There's about 15 states that NV has reciprocity with; get one of those licenses and you're legal.

NV is an open carry state. Do not open carry, ever. Exceptions can be made for private dwellings (your personal room / house) or out in the wild. If you open carry at the grocer, you're an idiot. If you open carry at the Bellagio, you're arrested.

No casino will allow it. There's a thread here somewhere of someone who "made a statement" by carrying an empty holster. He was hassled by Metro all night long. You're going to want a small piece, like a .38 with 2" barrel. Concealed means concealed. Keep it secret; keep it safe.

Don't plan on drinking even a drop. I dunno if it's technically illegal, but typically consumption while carrying is. Often you can't even enter areas that serve alcohol while carrying. But even if NV allows it, don't. Beer and bullets at the ranch is one thing. For self defense, it is completely verboten. "I only had two" is bad on a traffic stop. Imagine how bad it is when defending yourself in a homicide case.

Know gun law, both of where you're going, and where you are. And I mean everything. What are the license requirements? What, if any, are the capacity restrictions? What, if any, are the round restrictions (hollow point, frag, tracer)?Is there duty to inform in the event of a traffic stop? What are the regulations for transport? What level is their Castle Doctrine? Someone here talked about "locking their piece in the car" when they get to AC. That person is guilty, at the very least, of Illegal Possession of a Weapon in the 2nd Degree and faces 5 years jail time. NJ Safe Transport laws do not allow for stopping unless the stop is "reasonable to the act of passing through", like a hotel stay or gas fill up. A casino jaunt is not "reasonable to the act of passing through". KNOW YOUR LAWS!

Gandler, remove your ignorance. Study NV gun law. Know whether you can stand your ground, know if you have duty to retreat, know whether you can defend yourself or yourself and property, and know when it's prudent to do so. You need to know everything, and NEVER assume a gun law. KNOW IT. Once you know NV gun law front and back, then figure out what the hell you're going to do. Traveling with a gun, whether by car, bus, boat, or plane, means you need to be legal both in where you came and where you're going. That means you gotta be legal in NJ, too, or be legal in whichever state you have your cache stashed.

Forget casinos, that's easy. You have a ways to go before contemplating casinos is even on the radar.

Are you saying its stupid to bring a gun to Las Vegas on vacation?

Quote: Daddydoc

In NJ, the best that could happen would be to kicked out and read the trespass act. You'd very likely end up behind bars. I carry regularly, and I don't even feel comfortable locking a pistol in my glove box when I go to NJ.

Ah, it was you.

As I said, NJ Safe Transport laws allow the transport of legal firearms through the state of NJ. Any stops must be "reasonable", like a fill up or hotel stay. Your casino stop is in violation of the law.

Further, the transport of weapons, especially a handgun, must be done with the gun both unloaded as well as inaccessible from the passenger compartment. Your placement in the glove box is a direct violation. Guns must either be locked in the trunk, or, if a pick up, in a locked case, separate from ammo, and under the rear seat.

You also must be legal in both the state you left and the state to which you are headed, but I hope you at least have that covered.

You shouldn't feel comfortable. You're a traffic stop away from jail.

Quote: terapined

I personally would leave a casino if I saw open carry. I would never ever go back to that casino ever.
I personally would leave any business that allows open carry and never do any business there forever.
I would never let a person enter my home if they were carrying.

This is crazy. Do you have any idea how many people are concealed carrying around you every day? Do you really feel safer knowing that a person has put a millimeters of fabric between you and the gun?

Furthermore, every business I am aware of allows gangsters in blue uniforms to open carry.

Quote: AxelWolf

Are you saying its stupid to bring a gun to Las Vegas on vacation?

My official stance is that it's stupid to carry a weapon in ignorance.

If one were a true gunner and knew all applicable state laws, self defense laws, gun operation and safety, etc, then and only then should you be contemplating Vegas.

And if you contemplate Vegas, there's an additional layer of BS you have to prepare for.

It's metro, it's urban. It's a congested cityscape full of loonies. There's free beer in your face at every turn. People hammered, people tripping balls, people waging war on demons in their head. It's a competitive landscape, playing games for money. It's emotionally charged. People will yell in joy, people yell in frustration, people yell in anger. Occasionally, that will be directed at you. People rub on you to pick your pocket, people rub on you because they want your ass, people rub on you because they can't hold themselves up. Carrying in Vegas is like carrying in a professional sports stadium during a playoff game.

It's madness, and you need to be prepared for it. Carrying "because you can"? Yes, that's a stupid reason to bring a gun to Vegas on vacation. Carrying "because a lot of money", yet you haven't educated yourself? Yes, that's a stupid reason to bring a gun to Vegas on vacation.

It's only stupid to carry if the carrier is stupid. Don't be stupid.

Quote: bigfoot66

This is crazy. Do you have any idea how many people are concealed carrying around you every day? Do you really feel safer knowing that a person has put a millimeters of fabric between you and the gun?

Furthermore, every business I am aware of allows gangsters in blue uniforms to open carry.

That was the point I was tryin to make earlier. It's irrational to be upset and angry at people who open-carry.

You are likely surrounded by people who are concealed carrying.

When people open carry, you know it. When people don't you can only guess if and what they are carrying.

If you are afraid of guns, you should be grateful that people open-carry so that you know to walk further away of that makes you feel more comfortable...

Quote: Gandler

You are likely surrounded by people who are concealed carrying.

When people open carry, you know it. When people don't you can only guess if and what they are carrying.

Surrounded? Are they concealed carrying illegally? Because based on population and licensing statistics, I wouldn't be surrounded by people lawfully concealed carrying even if their weapons were permanently affixed to their asses. In other words, "surrounded" is a drastically misapplied word even if I were to assume that all license holders were carrying at all times everywhere.

Quote: rdw4potus

Surrounded? Are they concealed carrying illegally? Because based on population and licensing statistics, I wouldn't be surrounded by people lawfully concealed carrying even if their weapons were permanently affixed to their asses. In other words, "surrounded" is a drastically misapplied word even if I were to assume that all license holders were carrying at all times everywhere.

What state do you live in?

Quote: Gandler

What state do you live in?

South Carolina. Also looked at MN and PA (where I lived previously).

Quote: rdw4potus

South Carolina. Also looked at MN and PA (where I lived previously).

I know quite a few people in PA who carry. No clue what the stats are. But I am sure it varies by county. Obviously places like Philly, not so much. But rural PA very popular. I don't know much about SC. Or MN.

But I have been in parts of Texas and Alaska where everyone carried everywhere (some people carried up to 4 weapons, one on both legs and 2 on chest)...

Quote: Face

It's only stupid to carry if the carrier is stupid. Don't be stupid.

Well said Face... and wow am I impressed that you do indeed know your gun laws!

Quote: Romes

Well said Face... and wow am I impressed that you do indeed know your gun laws!

Thanks, Romes. But while I know a bit, I know enough to know that I know nothing.

Self defense (SD) carrying is a whole 'nuther world. The amount of information you need to be a proper carrier is extensive indeed. If you don't have it, you're a liability.

I know guns. Been shooting since I was 8 and haven't missed a year yet. Been carrying concealed for about 5. And not a year goes by where I don't learn something new, and that something new has always been a "holy s$%^, how could I NOT know that" type of situation.

Just knowing your gun takes hours, often measured in tens if not hundreds. How to operate, how to unload, how to clear jam, how to cock with one hand, how to draw, how to draw when wrapped up, how to draw when on the ground, how to reload, and then how to do all that again with your dumb hand and your dumb eye. Before carrying for SD, your gun should be as intuitive to you as a hammer. If it's not, you should not carry for SD. Your gun will be useless to you and an opportunity for an assailant.

After that, you need to know how to stop someone. Life is not movies. 100yd shots on the run, shooting guns out of people's hands, shooting "to incapacitate" are all pipe dreams. SD shooting is 10yds or less, you put 'em right in their chest, and you shoot until they drop. If this is not intuitive, you should not carry for SD.

Then there is law. You take one shooting incident and try it in 10 states, you'll get 10 different rulings. In some states you'll be a hero and they'll erect you a statue. Same incident in other states will send you up the river for 20 years. Carrying while ignorant of law is far, FAR more dangerous than any street crimes you may encounter. A street encounter is random. Carrying ignorantly is an ever present threat to your safety. If you don't know every law for the state you're carrying in, you should not carry for SD.

Then there's training. "Buck fever" does not mimic a violent confrontation. Nothing mimics a violent confrontation, so you must train to prepare. When the SHTF, you're going to get an adrenaline dump unlike any you've ever felt. Your hands will go numb and stupid. You'll shake like you just main lined methamphetamine. You'll probably piss yourself. Conscious thought is gone; all you have left is training. If you have no training, you have nothing. SD training should include all of aforementioned "gun knowledge" training, only done under extreme physical duress. Run 5 - 40yd dashes. Do 5 sets of 10 quick pushups. Squeeze a tennis ball until your forearms go numb. THEN do all your draw, clear, jam, reload trainings over again with your lungs on fire and your fingers numb. Do it. If you haven't or if you can't, you should not carry for SD.

After all that, you have attitude. An SD carrier must be the meekest of the meek. No matter if a guy budges in line, a guy makes a comment on your girl's rack, or a guy describes his night alone with your mother, you need to be impervious to it all. If a comment or gesture gives you even a twinge of the reds, you should not carry for SD. It is not a shield, it is not power. It is a tool. Use it for what it's for.

If one is contemplating carrying for SD, I largely assume he's a gunner and has a history of use and function, Jeff Cooper's rules, you know, the basic stuff. Not once, in all the talks I've had, had anyone had a clue as to what state law actually says. And the law is everything. Of course it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Of COURSE it is. But how valuable is the rest of your life if it's all behind bars? Why risk it when the knowledge is RIGHT THERE? Why lose 20 years when all it took to prevent it was a couple hours of reading?

Know your laws, people. Start reading and you will be SHOCKED at how little you really know.

Quote: terapined

I personally would leave a casino if I saw open carry. I would never ever go back to that casino ever.
I personally would leave any business that allows open carry and never do any business there forever.
I would never let a person enter my home if they were carrying.

Interesting. I would be far more likely to patronize a place that respected right to carry. Considering how it seems to be less safe in places that disallow legal open carry it just makes even more sense to me.

Face, as always on firearms, makes some good points. For one, I am not going to carry if I may be drinking for example. But I would rather have it allowed. I try to live by if a business does not want the business of those who carry legally then they do not need mine, either.

No gun ever killed a person.

Quote: AZDuffman

Interesting. I would be far more likely to patronize a place that respected right to carry. Considering how it seems to be less safe in places that disallow legal open carry it just makes even more sense to me.

Face, as always on firearms, makes some good points. For one, I am not going to carry if I may be drinking for example. But I would rather have it allowed. I try to live by if a business does not want the business of those who carry legally then they do not need mine, either.

No gun ever killed a person.

Thanks for the compliment.

I agree about patronage. My gun is as much me as the shoes on my feet. I also refuse patronage just out of principle. But if I'm forced into one of these properties, I just carry anyways. Concealed means concealed.

The bar is the one law I don't have a good argument about. At least even in NY, they give some leeway. For example, I can carry in Red Lobster, I just can't carry into the bar area or have a drink. That's fair. If it's just a bar, then it's illegal. I think that's OK because if I'm at a bar, then I'm going there to drink. There is no situation where I'll be in a bar and not be drinking, and if I'm drinking, I shouldn't be carrying. Having recently been in an SD scenario, I couldn't imagine being buzzed for one. It must be like being in a plane during a flame out. You want all of your faculties running at 100% because if you mess up you're dead.

But other than that, I mostly agree. No guns at Universities is terrible. No guns within 1,000' of school is idiotic (I break that law weekly and haven't gone to school in 20 years). No guns in Post Office? That's just a mindless hassle that makes my gun a liability, as I must leave it unattended instead of safely tucked on my person. Did you know that part of the SAFEAct was to make roaming "no gun" zones around all elected officials? You could be on your porch, the Governor drives by in his motorcade, BOOM! You're a felon.

And people wonder why we get so amped in our resistance.

Quote: Face

Thanks, Romes. But while I know a bit, I know enough to know that I know nothing.

Self defense (SD) carrying is a whole 'nuther world. The amount of information you need to be a proper carrier is extensive indeed. If you don't have it, you're a liability.

I know guns. Been shooting since I was 8 and haven't missed a year yet. Been carrying concealed for about 5. And not a year goes by where I don't learn something new, and that something new has always been a "holy s$%^, how could I NOT know that" type of situation.

Just knowing your gun takes hours, often measured in tens if not hundreds. How to operate, how to unload, how to clear jam, how to cock with one hand, how to draw, how to draw when wrapped up, how to draw when on the ground, how to reload, and then how to do all that again with your dumb hand and your dumb eye. Before carrying for SD, your gun should be as intuitive to you as a hammer. If it's not, you should not carry for SD. Your gun will be useless to you and an opportunity for an assailant.

After that, you need to know how to stop someone. Life is not movies. 100yd shots on the run, shooting guns out of people's hands, shooting "to incapacitate" are all pipe dreams. SD shooting is 10yds or less, you put 'em right in their chest, and you shoot until they drop. If this is not intuitive, you should not carry for SD.

Then there is law. You take one shooting incident and try it in 10 states, you'll get 10 different rulings. In some states you'll be a hero and they'll erect you a statue. Same incident in other states will send you up the river for 20 years. Carrying while ignorant of law is far, FAR more dangerous than any street crimes you may encounter. A street encounter is random. Carrying ignorantly is an ever present threat to your safety. If you don't know every law for the state you're carrying in, you should not carry for SD.

Then there's training. "Buck fever" does not mimic a violent confrontation. Nothing mimics a violent confrontation, so you must train to prepare. When the SHTF, you're going to get an adrenaline dump unlike any you've ever felt. Your hands will go numb and stupid. You'll shake like you just main lined methamphetamine. You'll probably piss yourself. Conscious thought is gone; all you have left is training. If you have no training, you have nothing. SD training should include all of aforementioned "gun knowledge" training, only done under extreme physical duress. Run 5 - 40yd dashes. Do 5 sets of 10 quick pushups. Squeeze a tennis ball until your forearms go numb. THEN do all your draw, clear, jam, reload trainings over again with your lungs on fire and your fingers numb. Do it. If you haven't or if you can't, you should not carry for SD.

After all that, you have attitude. An SD carrier must be the meekest of the meek. No matter if a guy budges in line, a guy makes a comment on your girl's rack, or a guy describes his night alone with your mother, you need to be impervious to it all. If a comment or gesture gives you even a twinge of the reds, you should not carry for SD. It is not a shield, it is not power. It is a tool. Use it for what it's for.

If one is contemplating carrying for SD, I largely assume he's a gunner and has a history of use and function, Jeff Cooper's rules, you know, the basic stuff. Not once, in all the talks I've had, had anyone had a clue as to what state law actually says. And the law is everything. Of course it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Of COURSE it is. But how valuable is the rest of your life if it's all behind bars? Why risk it when the knowledge is RIGHT THERE? Why lose 20 years when all it took to prevent it was a couple hours of reading?

Know your laws, people. Start reading and you will be SHOCKED at how little you really know.

This is the precise reason why I'm against more people getting concealed carries, etc, etc. Not because it's wrong, inherently violent, or anything... but because I believe the overwhelming majority of individuals would never take this level of seriousness or education with their ability to take a gun wherever they want. Thus, the majority is as you stated, a liability.

Thank you though, Face. Reading your posts at least makes me feel like there's one or two more people than I expected trying to do the right things and get the right education/information. Enlightenment isn't knowing everything, it's realizing you know nothing...

Quote: Face

Thanks for the compliment.

And people wonder why we get so amped in our resistance.

Exactly. People who are anti-gun have no idea the struggle of carrying a gun in public. And wonder why people get so angry about law proposals.

Carrying a gun around involves planning your whole day to ensure you don't go on a street that you are not allowed, a zone that you are not allowed, making sure you properly lock it in your trunk if you stop in a bar, post office etc...

Even with the NRA which is an active and aggressive organization there is constant trampling on our rights as citizens and freemen.

Its very easy to bash gun owners as immature. But if people lost the right to carry you would wish that the NRA had been more proactive. Remember what happened in Cambodia after the gun seizures....

Quote: Gandler

Even with the NRA which is an active and aggressive organization there is constant trampling on our rights as citizens and freemen.

Its very easy to bash gun owners as immature. But if people lost the right to carry you would wish that the NRA had been more proactive. Remember what happened in Cambodia after the gun seizures....

Wait, the same NRA that came out with a campaign to replace video game controllers with guns claiming kids would be safer?

Indeed Gandler, I am understanding your struggles a lot more because of this thread and the posts in it. However, as of now, I still stand by my reasoning that more guns in communities will not make them safer. It might not be for the regular reasons you hear from fearful individuals like "guns aren't safe!" or "blah blah violence" but because especially after reading Face's post I know the general population, to which I venture out in nearly every day of my life, would never get as educated as they need to carry properly and safely. Guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people (which from what I've seen would comprise the majority of people whom are in the NRA).

Quote: Romes

Wait, the same NRA that came out with a campaign to replace video game controllers with guns claiming kids would be safer?

Indeed Gandler, I am understanding your struggles a lot more because of this thread and the posts in it. However, as of now, I still stand by my reasoning that more guns in communities will not make them safer. It might not be for the regular reasons you hear from fearful individuals like "guns aren't safe!" or "blah blah violence" but because especially after reading Face's post I know the general population, to which I venture out in nearly every day of my life, would never get as educated as they need to carry properly and safely. Guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people (which from what I've seen would comprise the majority of people whom are in the NRA).

I don't know the stats. But its an interesting point. And, I would be curious if somebody studied it.
I would suspect if you evaluate the commiters of gun infractions, NRA members rank very low (I would suspect far lower than the population overall). Most people I know in the NRA are far more educated on gun laws than non members so they know where and how to carry when appropriate. The NRA spends a lot of time and money educating members on gun laws and safety information.

So I would bet very few NRA members get arrested for improperly carrying or not safely carrying etc... compared to the general population

Thanks again for the compliments and you're welcome, but back on topic...

This here is the thread I mentioned earlier. It's a transcript of what happened when a guy was stopped for merely carrying an empty holster as a political statement. If you're thinking of carrying in Vegas, it would behoove you to read it, and read it well.

Despite your rights, real or implied, this situation is possible. Maybe the APs and Constitution buffs are getting off on the possibilities, but you're in Vegas to party, right? How much would something like this harsh your mellow?

Me, I'm not a "film a cop and put it on YouTube" type of guy. But I do practice civil disobedience, and I have been in several long, drawn out, and disruptive stops and questionings. To me, it's a game. It's fun. I enjoy politely but firmly standing up for myself, and the goal is to get a genuine smile and a hand shake at the end. Bonus points for jokes and laughs. But to some, it can really mess them up. Some are nearly traumatized from the fear, some are outraged at the audacity, it just totally ruins the whole day. Are you with a group that could handle that interruption? Are you with a group that could handle being banned from a large wad of properties?

Just some things to think about. Also, while I may have carried in a casino, I'm pretty reclusive. I dunno what it would be like to be at, say, a crowded craps table with people rubbing up against it. I can't imagine I'd tolerate that at all.

Quote: Face

Thanks again for the compliments and you're welcome, but back on topic...

This here is the thread I mentioned earlier. It's a transcript of what happened when a guy was stopped for merely carrying an empty holster as a political statement. If you're thinking of carrying in Vegas, it would behoove you to read it, and read it well.

Despite your rights, real or implied, this situation is possible. Maybe the APs and Constitution buffs are getting off on the possibilities, but you're in Vegas to party, right? How much would something like this harsh your mellow?

Me, I'm not a "film a cop and put it on YouTube" type of guy. But I do practice civil disobedience, and I have been in several long, drawn out, and disruptive stops and questionings. To me, it's a game. It's fun. I enjoy politely but firmly standing up for myself, and the goal is to get a genuine smile and a hand shake at the end. Bonus points for jokes and laughs. But to some, it can really mess them up. Some are nearly traumatized from the fear, some are outraged at the audacity, it just totally ruins the whole day. Are you with a group that could handle that interruption? Are you with a group that could handle being banned from a large wad of properties?

Just some things to think about. Also, while I may have carried in a casino, I'm pretty reclusive. I dunno what it would be like to be at, say, a crowded craps table with people rubbing up against it. I can't imagine I'd tolerate that at all.

If you have it on your inner ankle nobody will rub it.