Justified to not pay back?
It's good logic. Banking crises are all about the lack of confidence being paid back with good reason.Quote: Lemieux66No no, that's bad logic. Everyone has an ememy or at least someone who doesn't like them. If you use that justification nobody would ever get paid back. Only those who try to screw you it's fine.
Quote: Lemieux66I don't make sports bets anymore and I don't ask for loans . If you don't have a bankroll, get a job and save.
You could offer dollars to donuts that the sun won't come up tomorrow, and I still wouldn't take it.
Quote: Lemieux66No no, that's bad logic. Everyone has an ememy or at least someone who doesn't like them. If you use that justification nobody would ever get paid back. Only those who try to screw you it's fine.
I still don't see why you think that you are any better than this guy. You have admitted to lying and cheating, which is exactly what you are accusing him of.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI still don't see why you think that you are any better than this guy. You have admitted to lying and cheating, which is exactly what you are accusing him of.
Lie and cheat those who lie and cheat you first. It's the way life should be.
You pay back, WITHOUT THEM ASKING, those who are good to you. You'll be a top tier person in their eyes. This is important if you want future loans. Never screw these people over.
As for the people who are bad to you, you can screw them over. Just make sure they won't harm you in some way. Once you've identified that, feel free. You'll be making money on the deal and a bad person is getting burned.
The good people will never get burned, you'll make money, and bad people will learn a lesson. Everyone wins.
Quote: Lemieux66Lie and cheat those who lie and cheat you first. It's the way life should be.
No.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Anyone got that phone number to sign up for remedial kindergarten?
Quote: Lemieux66Think of it like an AP.
You pay back, WITHOUT THEM ASKING, those who are good to you. You'll be a top tier person in their eyes. This is important if you want future loans. Never screw these people over.
As for the people who are bad to you, you can screw them over. Just make sure they won't harm you in some way. Once you've identified that, feel free. You'll be making money on the deal and a bad person is getting burned.
The good people will never get burned, you'll make money, and bad people will learn a lesson. Everyone wins.
You don't seem to understand that you are the bad person in this exchange. He took your bets. I assume that he paid you on the bets that you won? He did absolutely nothing to cheat you. You bet, you lost, and now you are looking for excuses not to pay.
If he was really such a bad guy he would have paid someone some small fraction of what you owe to collect by any means necessary.
Quote: DieterNo.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Anyone got that phone number to sign up for remedial kindergarten?
I'm more of multiplication man.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou don't seem to understand that you are the bad person in this exchange. He took your bets. I assume that he paid you on the bets that you won? He did absolutely nothing to cheat you. You bet, you lost, and now you are looking for excuses not to pay.
If he was really such a bad guy he would have paid someone some small fraction of what you owe to collect by any means necessary.
He knows he would get found out and go to jail.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat does that have to do with anything? You made a bet and you lost. So you pay.
When you made the bet was there any agreement that you would get a kickback? The answer is no. The fact that other people managed to negotiate a better deal than you did means that after you pay your debts you should work on your negotiation skills.
You were not lied to. You were not cheated in any way. You made a bet and you lost, and now you are trying to weasel your way out of it.
When I go to a casino, they may give me a 5% discount on my losses. Suppose, later, I find out that someone else is getting a 10% discount. Does that mean that I don't have to pay off my markers? Of course not. I made the deal that I made. If others makes a better deal, good for them -- that has nothing to do with me.
You made a bet and you lost. So you pay. End of story. It doesn't matter if the guy is a horrible person, and it doesn't matter if other people got better deals than you did. None of that is relevant to the fact that you made a bet and you lost.
AoC hit the nail on the head back on page 1. /end thread
Quote: AcesAndEightsAoC hit the nail on the head back on page 1. /end thread
I totally disagree. You can't paint everything with the same brush. Not even a debt.
Do not confuse yourself, you are not some "hero" nor are you showing this guy a lesson. You are worse than the scumbag who "cheated/lied" to you.
Treat others how you would like to be treated, not how they treat you.
Quote: Lemieux66Ok, I want a strong reason to pay him back. I don't want stuff about going down to his level, or being a gentleman etc. He doesn't have the ability or backing to physically hurt me. Why pay back a person who is by all accounts a scumbag(even by his family)?
Because sooner or later he will speak with someone who knows someone who can collect the debt.
Eddie didn't have the backing, or the ability, or the desire to physically hurt anyone either.
He was having a hard time collecting a $700 business debt and mentioned it to a friend.
The friend then told him "I know someone who can help you, but it will cost you 50%".
So Eddie met with the 6'7" monster and sold the debt to him for $350.
The bone crusher rang the guy's doorbell and told him "Good news! You don't owe Eddie $700 anymore."
"You owe me $1,400 and I want it now."
Fortunately for him, he had the cash and paid the $1,400 that day.
Quote: RSWith the way you've handled this case, I'm sure it'll take no time at all for you to get what's coming to you. Some time down the road, someone might feel you cheated them and for that reason, you will not be paid. At that time you will finally realize how awful it is to not pay off a debt.
Do not confuse yourself, you are not some "hero" nor are you showing this guy a lesson. You are worse than the scumbag who "cheated/lied" to you.
Treat others how you would like to be treated, not how they treat you.
That's insane. Eye for an eye man. They try to screw you, you screw them first. What kind of world do you live in?
Quote: TankoBecause sooner or later he will speak with someone who knows someone who can collect the debt.
Eddie didn't have the backing, or the ability, or the desire to physically hurt anyone either.
He was having a hard time collecting a $700 business debt and mentioned it to a friend.
The friend then told him "I know someone who can help you, but it will cost you 50%".
So Eddie met with the 6'7" monster and sold the debt to him for $350.
The bone crusher rang the guy's doorbell and told him "Good news! You don't owe Eddie $700 anymore."
"You owe me $1,400 and I want it now."
Fortunately for him, he had the cash and paid the $1,400 that day.
I'd like to see him try.
Quote: Lemieux66That's insane. Eye for an eye man. They try to screw you, you screw them first. What kind of world do you live in?
Have some character. Man up.
Quote: RSHave some character. Man up.
No no. Having "character" in this situation is being a sucker. BACKBONE, on the other hand, is why what I'm doing is legit.
Quote: tongniOP is a super scumbag and a coward. Donate the money to a charity of his choosing at the least.
Personal attack.
Quote: tongniOP is a super scumbag and a coward.
I have to give you a three-day suspension for personal insult. However, please consider it as taking one for the team.
Quote: GWAEthis thread reeks of the thread Varmenti made when he had a bet with someone that he could get X number of views or posts.
I can't state my above point enough, there is no way that this whole thread isn't a sham.
Quote: Lemieux66No no. Having "character" in this situation is being a sucker. BACKBONE, on the other hand, is why what I'm doing is legit.
lol. Welching on a bet takes backbone???
Why did you post this here in the first place? Did you really think that anyone would agree with you?
Hey everybody, look at me!
In the beginning I thought this was a serious post. None of this ever happened. All you have to do is read his history. A total waste of time and energy.
Quote: GWAEI can't state my above point enough, there is no way that this whole thread isn't a sham.
Everyone seems to think I'm not telling the truth. Now what I'm doing might considered worse than a lie, but it's certainly the truth.
Quote: WizardI have to give you a three-day suspension for personal insult. However, please consider it as taking one for the team.
Without question, I absolutely know I'm doing the right thing. There is no doubt in my mind. It's not so much THE DEBT, it's how I would feel paying a person like that. I don't have the stomach for it.
Quote: gts4everThis cannot be a real thread. Can we all just agree that Lemmy got us? We've been trolled. Time to accept it and get back to debating whether or not he really has to check in with the Floorperson to use his remaining $8.50 in comp dollars?
Is trolling the same as lying? If so, I'm not trolling.
Quote: Lemieux66Without question, I absolutely know I'm doing the right thing. There is no doubt in my mind. It's not so much THE DEBT, it's how I would feel paying a person like that. I don't have the stomach for it.
If you KNOW you are doing the right thing then why does the thread title have a question mark? You don't want the opinions of others. You want to tell people how right you are to be a welcher.
Sorry, but you are not right. Even if the dude is a scumbag, you owe. Like Teddy KGB said..."Pay dat man hiz money"
Quote: VCUSkyhawkIf you KNOW you are doing the right thing then why does the thread title have a question mark? You don't want the opinions of others. You want to tell people how right you are to be a welcher.
Sorry, but you are not right. Even if the dude is a scumbag, you owe. Like Teddy KGB said..."Pay dat man hiz money"
I was just curious to know how you guys felt. It's something that's been on my mind for a while and I wanted to discuss it.
Quote: Lemieux66I was just curious to know how you guys felt.
I'm going to call bull crap on that--there is no way, with your time on this forum, that you could have possibly thought there be very much support for your position. People here bet. When they make a bet and win, the expect to be paid. When they make a bet and lose, the expect to pay.
Quote: Lemieux66It's something that's been on my mind for a while and I wanted to discuss it.
"Discussing" it should mean that you would listen to all of the good reasoning people have presented for paying your debt in spite of the poor character of the individual you were dealing with and plan to pay it; you just said time and again you would do no such thing. Maybe you won't get beaten down for the money, maybe you can get away with cheating the guy out of the money...whatever...your not paying makes you look bad, too.
You did manage to get someone suspended...maybe that was part of what you wanted in the "discussion"...
Quote: VCUSkyhawk"You wanna dance, you gotta pay the band, you understand? If you wanna borrow, you gotta pay the man." ~ Rocky Balboa
Take your comment to the zoo.
Quote: Lemieux66Take your comment to the zoo.
+1
Touche Sir!
Quote: RonCI'm going to call bull crap on that--there is no way, with your time on this forum, that you could have possibly thought there be very much support for your position. People here bet. When they make a bet and win, the expect to be paid. When they make a bet and lose, the expect to pay.
"Discussing" it should mean that you would listen to all of the good reasoning people have presented for paying your debt in spite of the poor character of the individual you were dealing with and plan to pay it; you just said time and again you would do no such thing. Maybe you won't get beaten down for the money, maybe you can get away with cheating the guy out of the money...whatever...your not paying makes you look bad, too.
You did manage to get someone suspended...maybe that was part of what you wanted in the "discussion"...
Getting someone suspended wasnt my intention.
I should have assumed you all felt that way. I'm not saying anyone is incorrect for being against me on this issue. Everyone has their own viewpoint and I respect it.
Quote: RonCI'm going to call bull crap on that--there is no way, with your time on this forum, that you could have possibly thought there be very much support for your position.
There is another possibility...
B) Hmmaybenotsomuch 'bout that; more the "other" possibility: -200
Quote: djatcJesus 14 pages and all you have to do is pay back money if you borrowed it Lem. Wheres your integrity as a gambler?
I only have integrity to those who have integrity towards me.
Quote: Lemieux66I only have integrity to those who have integrity towards me.
And that, sir, means you do not have integrity.
Quote: DieterAnd that, sir, means you do not have integrity.
Not true. It just means I'm not a sucker. Why be the victim? Make HIM the victim since he planned to get you first.
Quote: strictlyAPWhole thread is made up I no longer view Lemieux in the same regard
If you're looking at me as a person who has no integrity, that's one thing(although I feel you're completely wrong). If you think I'm a lier, you're factually incorrect.
I would assume if he had an ex who was a B*tch he would justify not paying child support either. Good man, good man.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI wouldn't say it was made up. However, he did not have any intentions of taking in why he was wrong. He just wanted to spout off why he was justified in weaseling out of his obligations.
I would assume if he had an ex who was a B*tch he would justify not paying child support either. Good man, good man.
No no no. You support your kid.
You guys have to understand something. There are VERY few justifiable reasons to not pay someone back. Them stealing and lying from you fits it.
His cousin gave me some extra information that I didn't remember. Apparently, kickbacks were promised but not delivered. This whole situation happened well over a year ago so details fade with time.
Quote: Lemieux66No no no. You support your kid.
You guys have to understand something. There are VERY few justifiable reasons to not pay someone back. Them stealing and lying from you fits it.
His cousin gave me some extra information that I didn't remember. Apparently, kickbacks were promised but not delivered. This whole situation happened well over a year ago so details fade with time.
Yeah suddenly it went from he didn't tell me about kickbacks and when everyone then pointed out that clearly means your not entitled to them and he cheated you out of nothing you change your story to he told me about them before but I forgot about them till I was reminded now and I never got them. If that is the case why did you never ask for them while you were playing. Its clear this guy was paying his debts since he paid you when you won, you said this earlier in the page. I think you're just hoping this will bring people to your side but the fact of the matter is you are welching on your bets and live up to that.
Also integrity to those who treat you with integrity is not integrity it is reciprocity. It is very easy to be kind to a friend basically everyone in the world is besides a sociopath holding yourself up to that standard isn't something to be proud of, the measure of a man is how he acts towards strangers and enemies and from what you are saying that isn't very great.
14 pages or nuggets. I can't believe still you sucked so bad with the nuggets. You could have at least pretended to try.Quote: djatcJesus 14 pages and all you have to do is pay back money if you borrowed it Lem. Wheres your integrity as a gambler?
Quote: strictlyAPWhole thread is made up I no longer view Lemieux in the same regard
I think Lemieux was hacked. I don't think it is the same Lemieux. I for one am done with this thread.
Quote: mdsI think Lemieux was hacked. I don't think it is the same Lemieux. I for one am done with this thread.
No it's me for sure. Axel can confirm.
