Justified to not pay back?

Quote: beachbumbabs

Yeah, I would take Twirdman's theme one step further. It isn't about how he treats you. It's about what your word is worth. Your integrity. I think that's what everybody, including me earlier, is trying to tell you. You're the one who entered into the sports-betting deal. You knew the terms, and made the commitment. Either you're good for it, or you're not; doesn't matter if the other person's a creep. That's a fool-me-once, shame on you, fool-me-twice, shame on me kind of thing. But you do the honorable thing, and you walk away from the fool with your self-respect intact. Or you try and justify doing the less-than-honorable thing, as you have throughout this thread. I would've hoped your integrity was worth more than $4400. I know mine is.

$4400 or my integrity? Those two things don't relate. How about self-respect? How about sleeping peacefully at night? I couldn't get a proper nights sleep if I knew that guy got a dime more from me. As a said before, YOU DO NOT pay back those who are trying to screw you. They need to be taught a lesson about how to treat people. His wallet being empty should teach him.

Quote: Twirdman

Yeah suddenly it went from he didn't tell me about kickbacks and when everyone then pointed out that clearly means your not entitled to them and he cheated you out of nothing you change your story to he told me about them before but I forgot about them till I was reminded now and I never got them. If that is the case why did you never ask for them while you were playing. Its clear this guy was paying his debts since he paid you when you won, you said this earlier in the page. I think you're just hoping this will bring people to your side but the fact of the matter is you are welching on your bets and live up to that.

Also integrity to those who treat you with integrity is not integrity it is reciprocity. It is very easy to be kind to a friend basically everyone in the world is besides a sociopath holding yourself up to that standard isn't something to be proud of, the measure of a man is how he acts towards strangers and enemies and from what you are saying that isn't very great.

As I said, treat strangers neutrally. Don't lend them money or give handouts, but don't look for ways to screw them over. Treat them with respect. Besides, good friends were once strangers.

Was this guy Steve Stevens? Don't pay him.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Was this guy Steve Stevens? Don't pay him.

Who's that?

Quote: Lemieux66

Who's that?

The guy from the CNBC show who claims he can predict sports bets with something like a 70% winning rate. With this lie, he gets people to bet and he gets 40% of the wins because they used his picks. IF he told them he was just conning them, nobody would pay him.

Quote: Lemieux66

$4400 or my integrity? Those two things don't relate. How about self-respect? How about sleeping peacefully at night? I couldn't get a proper nights sleep if I knew that guy got a dime more from me. As a said before, YOU DO NOT pay back those who are trying to screw you. They need to be taught a lesson about how to treat people. His wallet being empty should teach him.

Oh stop trying to act all high and mighty like you are the one doing the morally just thing to stop a scoundrel no one is buying it. If you want to keep the money be honest about it. The fact is this guy didn't cheat you you made a bet with certain parameters you lost that bet under those parameters so you pay the man. Its none of your business that other people got different parameters. So what is your reason for not paying him he didn't close your account when you asked you are an adult it is your responsibility to not gamble not a bookie/brokers job to stop you from gambling. If you had a problem you should have seek counseling not simply asked to have your accounts closed. The guy acted fairly you won a bet he paid you lost a bet he expects to be paid its not fair for that relationship to only go one way you cannot be paid on winnings and welsh on losses.

Quote: mds

I think Lemieux was hacked. I don't think it is the same Lemieux. I for one am done with this thread.

Yes I can confirm it's him, unless someone stole his cell phone, I received a text confirming it was him. I to, thought it was possible someone hacked his account. I tried to inform him the error of his ways

As I mentioned before, I meet up with Lemieux in Vegas with my GF. I did a small amount of AP business with him and I got a steakhouse comp for all of us.
He was very nice and seemingly humble. A bit on the quirky side but most people are in the AP world. He didn't brag or act strange, He seemed very honest and direct. (Perhaps he is off his med's today). My best description, A slightly nerdy hipster, I hope its not offensive, its not meant to be.

I thought it was funny: He did have his money and crap in a clear plastic baggie. Perhaps he was afraid he might fall in the pool.

I would have considered doing some business with him. We even lightly discussed some possibilities in AC . I have not had the time to set anything up as of yet but it was in the back of my mind.

My personal toughs on what is going on here: He has put is foot in is mouth and cant admit he might be wrong. At the begging before the momentum picked up, he had a chance to just hit the breaks. I guess he wanted to show off is driving skill. Because now he is in a tailspin and trying to pull out of it, by hitting the gas to hard and over correcting, blindly driving full-throttle. I knew from the first post, someone was going to get suspended. My exact quote "this won't end well"

I was hoping he would get a time out of some kind, before he went to far and permanently damaged his reputation and likability.

This comment Lemieux made is disturbing. Lemieux66: "As for the people who are bad to you, you can screw them over. Just make sure they won't harm you in some way. Once you've identified that, feel free. You'll be making money on the deal and a bad person is getting burned". Is it right for a dirty cop to rob and beat up criminals?
The only thing I can see that that this "bad" person did wrong was encourage you to gamble. That's not enough to Lemiewetlch ( Just change your name to Lemiewetlch4400)

Lemie since you are at least attempting to AP, you are probably costing yourself and don't even know it. People are already losing respect for you. I can even feel the hate from people building up. You will obviously say, you don't care because you can't see or feel the affect it might have. As I said, you probably won't even know how it will affect you. It already has come up that no one should take your bets on here.

The gambling world can't stand this type of attitude you are showing. Reputation is a significant part of being successful. You are expected to be more honorable when it comes to gambling, there is a code and an honor system and everyone knows this, even the non gamblers.

Today the guy you are talking about is a bad person for encouraging to you bet and use your addiction to profit. Since you are using that as an excuse not to pay him. Tomorrow you might think someone is a bad person because they yelled at there mom. You might decide not to pay someone for that reason. Do I think that's the case? NO, but who wants to take that chance? I know of a situation where a guy screwed someone out of 6 figures concerning a sports deal. His excuse was. If I lost, I don't think he would have paid me.

Quote: mds

I think Lemieux was hacked. I don't think it is the same Lemieux.

If it's a fake, he/she sure as heck sounds like him.

Quote: Wizard

I have to give you a three-day suspension for personal insult. However, please consider it as taking one for the team.

Bam!!! Please consider rereading this statement Lemieux.

Generally speaking, if you want to justify not paying this guy because he treats you and others terribly, that's fine with me. But what gets me is I feel like you expected to have a reasonable amount of 3rd parties (the rest of the forum) to agree with you on this. This forum leans toward "cut and dry" results. Just because your bookie intermediate is scum in your book doesn't mean you didn't owe the actual bookie $4400 of your own money.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

14 pages or nuggets. I can't believe still you sucked so bad with the nuggets. You could have at least pretended to try.

At least I paid everyone that I had a bet with.

Quote: djatc

At least I paid everyone that I had a bet with.

Even though they were rooting against you!? I don't know if paying them makes sense....how can you honor a bet when they clearly wanted you to lose!?!!!

I recently ate food at a restaurant. ran up a huge 600 bill with about 12 people. I then saw the owner doing something shady and or weird that I did not like. I then decided not to pay my bill.

THIS IS OK RIGHT GUYS???

keep in mind the owner is a jerk!!

Quote: RS

Even though they were rooting against you!? I don't know if paying them makes sense....how can you honor a bet when they clearly wanted you to lose!?!!!

A bets a bet, no matter how lopsided or impossible it may be. Being a man means honoring his debts, gambling or otherwise.

Quote: OzzyOsbourne

I recently ate food at a restaurant. ran up a huge 600 bill with about 12 people. I then saw the owner doing something shady and or weird that I did not like. I then decided not to pay my bill.

THIS IS OK RIGHT GUYS???

keep in mind the owner is a jerk!!

Of course it's OK! As long as the owner is a jerk or shady or something weird then it's best to not pay. I mean, you probably got ripped off -- do you know how much they bought the food for? If the bill was a penny more than that, don't pay -- they're just trying to take your moneyz!

Quote: Twirdman

Oh stop trying to act all high and mighty like you are the one doing the morally just thing to stop a scoundrel no one is buying it. If you want to keep the money be honest about it. The fact is this guy didn't cheat you you made a bet with certain parameters you lost that bet under those parameters so you pay the man. Its none of your business that other people got different parameters. So what is your reason for not paying him he didn't close your account when you asked you are an adult it is your responsibility to not gamble not a bookie/brokers job to stop you from gambling. If you had a problem you should have seek counseling not simply asked to have your accounts closed. The guy acted fairly you won a bet he paid you lost a bet he expects to be paid its not fair for that relationship to only go one way you cannot be paid on winnings and welsh on losses.

There are a few things that his cousin and my friend reminded me of yesterday. They would seem like a lie if I posted them at this point. So part of original reason for doing this is based upon that.

Quote: AxelWolf

Yes I can confirm it's him, unless someone stole his cell phone, I received a text confirming it was him. I to, thought it was possible someone hacked his account. I tried to inform him the error of his ways

As I mentioned before, I meet up with Lemieux in Vegas with my GF. I did a small amount of AP business with him and I got a steakhouse comp for all of us.
He was very nice and seemingly humble. A bit on the quirky side but most people are in the AP world. He didn't brag or act strange, He seemed very honest and direct. (Perhaps he is off his med's today). My best description, A slightly nerdy hipster, I hope its not offensive, its not meant to be.

I thought it was funny: He did have his money and crap in a clear plastic baggie. Perhaps he was afraid he might fall in the pool.

I would have considered doing some business with him. We even lightly discussed some possibilities in AC . I have not had the time to set anything up as of yet but it was in the back of my mind.

My personal toughs on what is going on here: He has put is foot in is mouth and cant admit he might be wrong. At the begging before the momentum picked up, he had a chance to just hit the breaks. I guess he wanted to show off is driving skill. Because now he is in a tailspin and trying to pull out of it, by hitting the gas to hard and over correcting, blindly driving full-throttle. I knew from the first post, someone was going to get suspended. My exact quote "this won't end well"

I was hoping he would get a time out of some kind, before he went to far and permanently damaged his reputation and likability.

This comment Lemieux made is disturbing. Lemieux66: "As for the people who are bad to you, you can screw them over. Just make sure they won't harm you in some way. Once you've identified that, feel free. You'll be making money on the deal and a bad person is getting burned". Is it right for a dirty cop to rob and beat up criminals?
The only thing I can see that that this "bad" person did wrong was encourage you to gamble. That's not enough to Lemiewetlch ( Just change your name to Lemiewetlch4400)

Lemie since you are at least attempting to AP, you are probably costing yourself and don't even know it. People are already losing respect for you. I can even feel the hate from people building up. You will obviously say, you don't care because you can't see or feel the affect it might have. As I said, you probably won't even know how it will affect you. It already has come up that no one should take your bets on here.

The gambling world can't stand this type of attitude you are showing. Reputation is a significant part of being successful. You are expected to be more honorable when it comes to gambling, there is a code and an honor system and everyone knows this, even the non gamblers.

Today the guy you are talking about is a bad person for encouraging to you bet and use your addiction to profit. Since you are using that as an excuse not to pay him. Tomorrow you might think someone is a bad person because they yelled at there mom. You might decide not to pay someone for that reason. Do I think that's the case? NO, but who wants to take that chance? I know of a situation where a guy screwed someone out of 6 figures concerning a sports deal. His excuse was. If I lost, I don't think he would have paid me.

You're making completely blind assumptions about me. I mean I kind of expect that since we only met once. But as I said, I have my own moral code. I will NEVER screw people who aren't trying to screw with me. I don't waver from that. I'm sure I cost myself opportunities, but I'm a pretty private person about gambling ventures(the thread about my adventures wasnt started by myself). I wouldn't even ask to do a partnership.

I'm just confused by all of you. If a person is trying to take advantage of you. Bribe his own cousin to try to keep me on the betting wagon. Promise kickbacks that never came? This is ok? It's not ok. Do you just allow yourself to just get totally owned by these people? Maybe it's a New York thing but I'm certainly nobody's victim.

Quote: tringlomane

If it's a fake, he/she sure as heck sounds like him.

Quote: Wizard

I have to give you a three-day suspension for personal insult. However, please consider it as taking one for the team.

Bam!!! Please consider rereading this statement Lemieux.

Generally speaking, if you want to justify not paying this guy because he treats you and others terribly, that's fine with me. But what gets me is I feel like you expected to have a reasonable amount of 3rd parties (the rest of the forum) to agree with you on this. This forum leans toward "cut and dry" results. Just because your bookie intermediate is scum in your book doesn't mean you didn't owe the actual bookie $4400 of your own money.

No the bookie was paid. The intermediate scum guy paid him. As I said before, if it was only between the bookie and I I would have paid long ago.

Quote: Lemieux66

I'm just confused by all of you. If a person is trying to take advantage of you. Bribe his own cousin to try to keep me on the betting wagon. Promise kickbacks that never came? This is ok? It's not ok. Do you just allow yourself to just get totally owned by these people? Maybe it's a New York thing but I'm certainly nobody's victim.

No, of course its not ok. The guy was a scum bag. I don't think many on here would argue that. But nobody put a gun to your head and made you make those bets. You did. You lost. You owe.

Quote: OzzyOsbourne

I recently ate food at a restaurant. ran up a huge 600 bill with about 12 people. I then saw the owner doing something shady and or weird that I did not like. I then decided not to pay my bill.

THIS IS OK RIGHT GUYS???

keep in mind the owner is a jerk!!

But did the jerk specifically try to screw you? Are there consequences by law if you don't pay? Sounds like a no and a yes. You're supposed to pay obviously.

Is Lemmie doing some sort of morality Martingale? Just keep doubling the statements that show him as wrong until his luck changes and we all agree with him?

Or his he just too stubborn to ever reconsider his moral stance?

Maybe, the person he dealt with was not the most decent, deserving, angel. Maybe that person was even a low conniving scumbag. But Lemie chose to do business with him and to then cheat him. It seems to be a standard approach in Lemmie's moral code.

Lemmie: I'm glad that you have outed yourself for what you are. There WILL be consequences. If you treat one (bad) person badly, you may be emboldened to do so repeatedly, just often enough to encounter the one who retaliates.

Does luzer have the same meaning in the US? Not a personal attack, but an unrelated question :o)

Quote: RS

Of course it's OK! As long as the owner is a jerk or shady or something weird then it's best to not pay. I mean, you probably got ripped off -- do you know how much they bought the food for? If the bill was a penny more than that, don't pay -- they're just trying to take your moneyz!

These exaggerations are ridiculous and go against my very specific moral code. I might even have to clarify my signature.

Quote: OnceDear

Is Lemmie doing some sort of morality Martingale? Just keep doubling the statements that show him as wrong until his luck changes and we all agree with him?

Or his he just too stubborn to ever reconsider his moral stance?

Maybe, the person he dealt with was not the most decent, deserving, angel. Maybe that person was even a low conniving scumbag. But Lemie chose to do business with him and to then cheat him. It seems to be a standard approach in Lemmie's moral code.

Lemmie: I'm glad that you have outed yourself for what you are. There WILL be consequences. If you treat one (bad) person badly, you may be emboldened to do so repeatedly, just often enough to encounter the one who retaliates.

Does luzer have the same meaning in the US? Not a personal attack, but an unrelated question :o)

I wasnt aware he would steal from me(I knew he was a low class person, but I didn't know he would do that to a good friend of his cousin. I'm too trusting I suppose. Too big of heart. Too good of a man even). I learned it towards the very end.

Did you make a bet with someone?

Did you lose?

If you answered yes to both of these questions you are on the hook for the money owed. I don't care if this guy is a pedophile.

Quote: Lemieux66

I wasnt aware he would steal from me.

FFS Man. HE DIDN'T steal from you. You STOLE FROM HIM.

And you justify it because by your own twisted logic, he was a bad person who intended to steal from you.

Anyhow, Mark Twain had a saying for this "Never argue with a ...." I'll studiously ignore this thread and any other posts that you make.

Enjoy your life, keep all the friends and wealth that you deserve. May others treat you as they would expect you to treat them.

Quote: djatc

Did you make a bet with someone?

Did you lose?

If you answered yes to both of these questions you are on the hook for the money owed. I don't care if this guy is a pedophile.

That's crazy talk. It's actually better that it's a large debt since it'll really hurt him. You WANT to do these things to these people in very very specific circumstances because you'll profit and he hopefully will learn a lesson about not trying to screw people.

Quote: OnceDear

FFS Man. HE DIDN'T steal from you. You STOLE FROM HIM.

And you justify it because by your own twisted logic, he was a bad person who intended to steal from you.

Anyhow, Mark Twain had a saying for this "Never argue with a ...." I'll studiously ignore this thread and any other posts that you make.

Enjoy your life, keep all the friends and wealth that you deserve. May others treat you as they would expect you to treat them.

My friends know I treat them wonderfully. That's all that matters. Enemies know to stay away. That's beneficial.

Quote: Lemieux66

Promise kickbacks that never came?

Earlier, I thought you said there was no initial agreement or knowledge of kickbacks. Was there or was there not an agreement that you'd get kickback on losses? (I'm assuming 'kickback' means loss rebate.)

If there was an agreement on kickbacks, how much should you have gotten back?



Mr. Scumbag didn't screw you over. You screwed yourself over by making those bets.

---

What would happen if you walked into a casino where you had a credit line, asked for a $5K marker, played and lost? You pay back the $5K marker. A host emails you and says he'd love for you to come back and play more at this casino. So you return a week later, get a $10K marker, lose it all. The next few days you start to think, "This scumbag host conned me, he doesn't actually care about me, and certainly the casino doesn't care about me! These guys are all scumbags. F*** paying them back! I'm gonna screw them over because they screwed me over!!"

Quote: RS

Earlier, I thought you said there was no initial agreement or knowledge of kickbacks. Was there or was there not an agreement that you'd get kickback on losses? (I'm assuming 'kickback' means loss rebate.)

If there was an agreement on kickbacks, how much should you have gotten back?



Mr. Scumbag didn't screw you over. You screwed yourself over by making those bets.

On a recent page, I mentioned that his cousin saw this thread and alerted me to details that I had forgotten. You ever had a situation that made you do something, but it happened so long ago that you forgot some of the details why? That's the case here.

Quote: OnceDear

I'll studiously ignore this thread and any other posts that you make.

Great tool for doing just that.

Quote: Dieter

Great tool for doing just that.

Great minds think alike.

Quote: Lemieux66

No no, I made all the picks. He gave his cousin access to his online account(which he then let me use).

He did NOT agree to give kickbacks. As I said before, he technically didn't give his cousin kickbacks. Usually those are the people you would give favors to, but he's weird.

I don't know exactly what the kickback percentage is. I assume between 5-10% but that's a logical but total guess.

Towards the very end of things, I was told about kickbacks. I wanted a kickback. I was refused. This should have got me to stop, but I was in the hole pretty deep and needed a method to get out of it.

You were VERY adamant about the kickbacks not being part of the deal. you even put NOT in capitals when I said this is the key if you should pay him back or not. you even went on to elaborate that not even your cousin got kickbacks.

Even if kickbacks were part of the original deal you still owe him money.

As far as closing the account, it sounds like it was HIS online account. Why should he close his own account?

Quote: Lemieux66

On a recent page, I mentioned that his cousin saw this thread and alerted me to details that I had forgotten. You ever had a situation that made you do something, but it happened so long ago that you forgot some of the details why? That's the case here.

Instead of crawfishing all over the place, why not add the details and update your original post with the new details to allow everyone the chance to consider the new information. It is kind of ridiculous to keep saying there is other information that none of you know about that might change your minds without presenting that information.

Opinions have formed about you--that you will welch on a bet, that you are not an honest person, etc. and someone even stated their opinion in enough brutal honesty to be suspended. Most of them are bad. Heck, how many posts are there here that actually support you welching on bets?

Present your case again with all of the information you have an we'll see what happens. Until then, nothing new exists to change the overall opinion you asked us for...pay the damned money!!

Quote: AxelWolf

you were VERY adamant about the kickbacks you even put NOT in capitals when I said this is the key if you should pay him back or not. you even went on to elaborate that not even your cousin got kickbacks.

Even if kickbacks were part of the original deal you still owe him money.

I was incorrect about the kickback situation. THIS is what I was told about the kickbacks last night from his cousin: He said he should be able to get kickbacks from the bookie because he gave them to others. Later on we were told the bookie said no. I do now specifically remember this conversation. We all took that as a lie and that he pocketed the kickback. Now it's not good to assume, but he lost credibility because he pretty much lies about everything.

Quote: RonC

Instead of crawfishing all over the place, why not add the details and update your original post with the new details to allow everyone the chance to consider the new information. It is kind of ridiculous to keep saying there is other information that none of you know about that might change your minds without presenting that information.

Opinions have formed about you--that you will welch on a bet, that you are not an honest person, etc. and someone even stated their opinion in enough brutal honesty to be suspended. Most of them are bad. Heck, how many posts are there here that actually support you welching on bets?

Present your case again with all of the information you have an we'll see what happens. Until then, nothing new exists to change the overall opinion you asked us for...pay the damned money!!

Good idea. I will update it.

Oh and he's not getting a dime.

Quote: Lemieux66

I was incorrect about the kickback situation. THIS is what I was told about the kickbacks last night from his cousin: He said he should be able to get kickbacks from the bookie because he gave them to others. Later on we were told the bookie said no. I do now specifically remember this conversation. We all took that as a lie and that he pocketed the kickback. Now it's not good to assume, but he lost credibility because he pretty much lies about everything.

OK well you don't get 100% back. I assume this guy does this to make money on the kickbacks. Perhaps we need to screw over all car sales men they do nothing different then this guy. Do car dealers tell you the truth about commissions? Do they tell you what they really got the car for? Do they tell you what your trade in is really worth. Do they try to get you to spend more then you can afford?

Last night you found out this new information about the kickbacks however on the 31st you already made up your mind you were going to screw him.

Quote: AxelWolf

Last night you found out this new information about the kickbacks however on the 31st you already made up your mind you were going to screw him.

No, Axel. I knew I wasn't going to pay him back many months ago. I just didn't remember all the reasons why. It's like two people who have hated each other for a long time but they forgot the reasons.

Lemmie will never understand. It has been explained to you over and over again in different ways by different people, unanimously voting against you.

He posted this thread already knowing what he was going to do. He just wanted reassurance that it was the right thing to do.

He didn't get the reassurance he was seeking and was criticized. So now he's digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole which he will never escape unless he pays off his debt and/or everyone magically forgets about this thread.

Quote: AxelWolf

OK well you don't get 100% back. I assume this guy does this to make money on the kickbacks. Perhaps we need to screw over all car sales men they do nothing different then this guy. Do car dealers tell you the truth about commissions? Do they tell you what they really got the car for? Do they tell you what your trade in is really worth? Do they try to get you to spend more then you can afford?

That's different. Car dealers don't lie and say they aren't getting a piece of your losses. Car dealers don't bribe people to convince them to feed their addiction. His cousin estimated(and I can screen shot the text if you like) that the kickback came to about $1000 over time. This is assuming there's a 10% rebate, which would be generous. Ill say 500 at 5% is more logical. Considering that I said I want to screw those people 10x more than they try to screw me, he's getting a 600 dollar discount.

Quote: RS

Lemmie will never understand. It has been explained to you over and over again in different ways by different people, unanimously voting against you.

He posted this thread already knowing what he was going to do. He just wanted reassurance that it was the right thing to do.

He didn't get the reassurance he was seeking and was criticized. So now he's digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole which he will never escape unless he pays off his debt and/or everyone magically forgets about this thread.

There's no "hole". It's an Internet forum. I'll be fine no matter what anyone says.

Quote: Lemieux66

No, Axel. I knew I wasn't going to pay him back many months ago. I just didn't remember all the reasons why. It's like two people who have hated each other for a long time but they forgot the reasons.

Then the reasonable thing to do is pay him half the $4400.

You should screw him over 100x not just 10x!! Go steal his car or stuff in his house worth $45,000!!


F*** it, just burn his house down!!!!!

Quote: AxelWolf

Then the reasonable thing to do is pay him half the $4400.

This is reasonable. However, I've texted him about this situation(I left out key details because his cousin wasnt supposed to tell me) and he was adamant that it's no fault of his own. He also wasnt hot on the idea of a payment plan and wanted me to borrow from someone.

Quote: RS

You should screw him over 100x not just 10x!! Go steal his car or stuff in his house worth $45,000!!


F*** it, just burn his house down!!!!!

Pollution.

Quote: RS

You should screw him over 100x not just 10x!! Go steal his car or stuff in his house worth $45,000!!


F*** it, just burn his house down!!!!!

You forgot the most important part...

F*** his Girlfriend.

Quote: AxelWolf

You forgot the most important part...

F*** his Girlfriend.

She IS pretty cute...but only if she agrees of course. Gotta be a gentleman.

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Quote: terapined

If I owed money to a child molestor.
Yea the child molestor is a horrible being and deseves any pain he receives.
Regardless of all that, If I owe, then I owe. Its still a debt. I would pay.

This is a far as i am gonna read.

Quote: Dieter

Great tool for doing just that.

This link automatically caused me to block Lemieux. I did not want to do that.

Just got back from a 7 Day WOV vacation for being far too graphic in my opinions on why people post stuff like this knowing what it is going to bring in responses. Therefore I am not going to say anything negative about you personally. However I will go on the record as agreeing with everyone on here except your cousin that you should pay the money. But I also know you dont care what we think and have already made your mind up.

Oh yea, I believe Mickey is also back today. I hope he comes back and comments as well (without having to leave for 30).

Quote: Lemieux66

She IS pretty cute...but only if she agrees of course. Gotta be a gentleman.

She is dating him, so she herself must be a bad person. Since you say bad people deserve to be F***ed. By your logic no agreement is needed. It really sounded as if that guy didn't agree to give you kickbacks and you are F***ing him.