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August 23rd, 2019 at 4:55:15 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It can take up to 72 hours before they will approve your withdraw, even when you use cash.
Perhaps the online sportsbook side is faster than the casino side when it come to approval.



With Caesars? Borg yes but I dont think cet has that issue. All others in AC did and most were 24 hours. I did a withdrawl with every single casino in AC this month and all were a pain except golden nugget. They have it down. Except for the waiting for approval bs.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 7:20:45 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux


In this instance, there's not really any action on your part to take responsibility for. You didn't hire a lawyer to read the TnCs on a casino deposit?



I would say that your responsibility is to read the TOS, if you don't understand them then it is your own stupidity and responsibility for continuing to deposit money there. If you don't understand, walk away.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 3:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

With Caesars? Borg yes but I dont think cet has that issue. All others in AC did and most were 24 hours. I did a withdrawl with every single casino in AC this month and all were a pain except golden nugget. They have it down. Except for the waiting for approval bs.

Yeah I'm talking about Borgata. I can't remember exactly how long I had to wait, it was not 72 hours, but they can hold you up for 72 hours. Perhaps if it's a holiday or A large amount it might take 72 hours. If you deposit cash at the cage and want to withdraw your cash at the cage, there's no reason it shouldn't be instant or less than 2 hours.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 4:16:38 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would say that your responsibility is to read the TOS, if you don't understand them then it is your own stupidity and responsibility for continuing to deposit money there. If you don't understand, walk away.



You are conflating theoretically optimal behavior and responsibility.

Since I walk around with decent amounts of money, I try to be careful. I don't always do the absolutely safest thing and sometimes I forget about it altogether. Cuz I aren't a robot. If someone robs me though, it's still their fault that they robbed me. I can be like, "oh man, I shouldn't have exposed $2,000 in a crappy 7-11. Next time I should be more careful." But the robber is still the one responsible for robbing me.

I recently poured through a lot of casino TOS. I have an M.A. in philosophy and I used to have to sit there trying to interpret some of the most challenging texts ever written. The experiences were not that far apart. I had to read and re-read some of these sentences many times and still wasn't 100%.

To expect the average person to read and understand this stuff is absurd. It's just not going to happen. I don't think it makes sense to say that a person of average or below average reading skills is responsible for not being smarter, and deserves to have their money siezed by a giant corporation. That's like saying, if someone can beat you up and take your money, it's your fault for not being a better fighter.

Maybe 1/1,000 people meticulously read every TOS they agree to. I don't think 999/1,000 people deserve to have their money seized.

It is true that you can take steps to minimize your risk of being ripped off. The responsible party and the blameworthy party is the party that takes someone else's money in an act of bad faith.
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August 24th, 2019 at 5:38:44 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux



Maybe 1/1,000 people meticulously read every TOS they agree to.




the whole thing re terms and conditions is a complete joke

it's obviously a con game by corporate lawyers to try to insulate their clients from liability


"Let's kill all the lawyers" is a line from William Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2. The full quote is "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". It is among Shakespeare's most famous lines"
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DRich
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August 24th, 2019 at 7:19:57 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

You are conflating theoretically optimal behavior and responsibility.



I don't think I am. If you don't read or understand the TOS and yet continue to play, it is my opinion that you have accepted them.

Once you accept them, it is a contract.

Your example of being robbed is not applicable unless you have a signed contract with the robber that says he has the right to your possessions.

Don't get me wrong, I think most TOS are bullshit, my only point is once you accept them you have reassigned those rights to them. If people would quit accepting the BS TOS, they would change them.
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August 24th, 2019 at 7:47:37 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't think I am. If you don't read or understand the TOS and yet continue to play, it is my opinion that you have accepted them.

Once you accept them, it is a contract.

Your example of being robbed is not applicable unless you have a signed contract with the robber that says he has the right to your possessions.

Don't get me wrong, I think most TOS are bullshit, my only point is once you accept them you have reassigned those rights to them. If people would quit accepting the BS TOS, they would change them.



Similar to TOS is the consent form for a surgical procedure and anesthesia. When I get consent, the consent is now on an Ipad, a couple pages long. There is a pop up box which I sign, a different one the patient signs, and a third one for a witness to the signature.
I'll let you guess in the year we have been using this system what percent of patients have asked to read the form they are signing? It is ZERO. And when it was paper, I'd say it was 1%. I have informed my superiors that I believe our consent form is worth that number, ZERO.

But if you accept my consent form, or the casino's TOS, I agree with DRich that you have accepted what may occur. Trust me, both patients and casino customers alike do not give up there right to bitch about the results....
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August 24th, 2019 at 8:17:51 AM permalink
I have a couple of swamp coolers on my new building and one of them wasn't blowing as cold as the others. I called the company that installed them and they wanted $79 to send someone plus $39 an hour plus parts. Called a local handyman and went up with him. I explained to him I didn't want him to fix it, I wanted him to show me how to fix it. I knew nothing about them but knew it's an old technology and assumed it was simple. Three hours and $65 later, I'm confident I can maintain them and do simple repairs.
Bad news is walking on the pitched roof worked my leg and gluteus muscles in ways they aren't used to and I'm in agony this morning. Driving back to Vegas this morning and very much am missing my hot tub. Only 527 miles to go.
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August 24th, 2019 at 8:39:56 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Similar to TOS is the consent form for a surgical procedure and anesthesia. When I get consent, the consent is now on an Ipad, a couple pages long. .... I have informed my superiors that I believe our consent form is worth that number, ZERO.


Completely unrelated to casino gaming and a bit far from SOOPOO's TOS for surgery, there is a hidden-in-a-jumble-of-jargon-on-a-pad waiver that I have been offered by two massage therapy clinics. One was a place where I had been a member for about a decade, and the other was a new place.

Both of them required customers to absolve the business and the employees of any responsibility for their negligence. I cannot accept that people/businesses who are negligent should be absolved in advance of any responsibility. But I have seen that twice (maybe three times) in such wavers that they try to slip by in pages of BS at the end of a form asking for basic info like name, contact info, and basic medical history.

I declined to sign such a waiver in each case and was denied service. They insisted that they needed to have such a waiver of responsibility.
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August 24th, 2019 at 9:49:01 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I declined to sign such a waiver in each case and was denied service. They insisted that they needed to have such a waiver of responsibility.

Scare tactics. Most such waivers are non-enforceable as contrary to public policy.

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