Geneolgy-Do You Have Any Interesting Ancestors?
Quote: 1BBThe Kennedy family. Okay let me have it. :-)
Is that the Boston Kennedys or the Chippewa Falls Kennedys? Actually, John Kennedy is still my favorite president, behind Thomas Jefferson.
Lots of connections to the early Mormon church too. Plenty of relatives from their early settlement in Nauvoo, IL. One my direct ancestors died trying to deliver a message to Joseph Smith.
Quote: 1BBBoston/Hyannisport. Joe, Rose, Jack, Bobby, Teddy and the clan.
Aw shucks, I thought it was the Chippewa Falls Kennedys.
My father documented our family's history very meticulously, but his deep research ends in the early 1700s when Ludvig and Johann arrived in the new world. Records in Europe were destroyed in fire bombing during WW2. We have some sketchy church records from the 1600s, but that is all.
My grandmother had a lot of artsy fartsy stuff, some of it quite valuable. The story was that her uncle George Tate (1800s) was the cousin of Sir Henry Tate, of the Tate Gallery in London. It turns out that he was a customs inspector for the Port of New York. You can guess where the artsy fartsy stuff came from.
Quote: MoscaI have a great uncle who was a hero at the battle of Vicksburg.
My father documented our family's history very meticulously, but his deep research ends in the early 1700s when Ludvig and Johann arrived in the new world. Records in Europe were destroyed in fire bombing during WW2. We have some sketchy church records from the 1600s, but that is all.
My grandmother had a lot of artsy fartsy stuff, some of it quite valuable. The story was that her uncle George Tate (1800s) was the cousin of Sir Henry Tate, of the Tate Gallery in London. It turns out that he was a customs inspector for the Port of New York. You can guess where the artsy fartsy stuff came from.
Sounds like Ludvig and Johann were part of the Palatine Movement. I have ancestors from that movement too. From 1710 to 1775 over 100,000 Germans and German speaking Swiss migrated to the American Colonies. They were poor Germans mostly from the Palatinate in the very south of Germany, and from Bern in Northern Switzerland. The English Crown offered them free land, free provisions for one year, and tax exempt status for ten years to get them to make a very dangerous voyage across the Atlantic. This was the first great German migration to America and plays a big roll in why so many Americans have German surnames.
Quote: MoscaI have a great uncle who was a hero at the battle of Vicksburg.
My father documented our family's history very meticulously, but his deep research ends in the early 1700s when Ludvig and Johann arrived in the new world. Records in Europe were destroyed in fire bombing during WW2. We have some sketchy church records from the 1600s, but that is all.
Ludvig and Johann probably arrived at Philadelphia. If I wanted to I could probably find the name of the ship they came over on and the date they arrived.
Quote: mickeycrimmIf you tell me you are a descendent of William the Conqueror I'm gonna laugh. 80% of the British people are descendents of William the Conqueror.
Many scientists feel the exact number is probably closer to 99.999% if you trace all the illegitimate lines. Probably well over 80% of everyone of European descent has William the Conqueror as an ancestor.
A good rule of thumb
If you are descended from a medieval king, then you are British.
If you are descended from a Tudor without being descended from a Stuart you are relatively unusual
If you are descended from a Stuart monarch you are probably upper class (or your family once was)
If you are descended from a Hanoverian monarch you are in line for the throne.
If you are descended from Queen Victoria then there are less than 1000 of your kind.
Quote: pacomartinMany scientists feel the exact number is probably closer to 99.999% if you trace all the illegitimate lines. Probably well over 80% of everyone of European descent has William the Conqueror as an ancestor.
A good rule of thumb
If you are descended from a medieval king, then you are British.
If you are descended from a Tudor without being descended from a Stuart you are relatively unusual
If you are descended from a Stuart monarch you are probably upper class (or your family once was)
If you are descended from a Hanoverian monarch you are in line for the throne.
If you are descended from Queen Victoria then there are less than 1000 of your kind.
That would mean I'm related to practically everyone one on this board. Hey, cousins! How ya'll doin'. I'm the redneck in the family.
Quote: mickeycrimmAw shucks, I thought it was the Chippewa Falls Kennedys.
Nope, the Chappaquiddick clan. Sorry, 1BB, can't give you a get-out-of-jail-free on this revelation :P
But so can everyone else.
Quote: NareedI can trace my ancestry back billions of years to pre-organic molecules.
I wouldn't rule out the idea that we're descended from aliens. Didn't you see Prometheus yet?
Quote: chickenmanNope, the Chappaquiddick clan. Sorry, 1BB, can't give you a get-out-of-jail-free on this revelation :P
Come on, you Rhode Islanders didn't appreciate all the hard work that cousin Patrick did for you? :-)
Be glad Teddy Jr. doesn't live in your state. He's considering a run for senate here in Connecticut having lived in Branford for many years.
Oh yeah, Michael Skakel is out of jail.
You can't choose your relatives. My father would have taken a bullet for these people while my mother loathed every last one of them. I don't see any of them that often and am not really in touch. My wife and I did attend a Celtics game with Joe a couple of years ago.
Quote: 1BBCome on, you Rhode Islanders didn't appreciate all the hard work that cousin Patrick did for you? :-)
Be glad Teddy Jr. doesn't live in your state. He's considering a run for senate here in Connecticut having lived in Branford for many years.
Oh yeah, Michael Skakel is out of jail.
You can't choose your relatives. My father would have taken a bullet for these people while my mother loathed every last one of them. I don't see any of them that often and am not really in touch. My wife and I did attend a Celtics game with Joe a couple of years ago.
I celebrate the fact that Teddy Jr doesn't live here every waking moment, we have enough sleazy politicians thank you ;-)
Given you are your mother's son, then you get a lifetime of slack...
Play any golf with Michael lately? :-(
Quote: mickeycrimmIf you tell me you are a descendent of William the Conqueror I'm gonna laugh. 80% of the British people are descendents of William the Conqueror.
Trivia: Who has more decendants than he did?
Quote:Lewis and Clark discovered Montana.
I am so glad they did, the trip from N Dakota to Washington State was so much longer before that! lol
Quote: chickenmanI celebrate the fact that Teddy Jr doesn't live here every waking moment, we have enough sleazy politicians thank you ;-)
Given you are your mother's son, then you get a lifetime of slack...
Play any golf with Michael lately? :-(
Go ahead and explain the golf comment to the good folks here. I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type. :-)
Quote: AZDuffmanTrivia: Who has more decendants than he did?
Gangus Kahn?
When he conquered someone, he killed all the young men and systematically impregnated all the women so that they would have decendents that needed his support. This made it possible to maintain control over all the places he conquered without having to fight uprisings and rebellions.
Quote: skrbornevryminGangus Kahn?
When he conquered someone, he killed all the young men and systematically impregnated all the women so that they would have decendents that needed his support. This made it possible to maintain control over all the places he conquered without having to fight uprisings and rebellions.
No, "his parents."
Quote: mickeycrimmSounds like Ludvig and Johann were part of the Palatine Movement. I have ancestors from that movement too. From 1710 to 1775 over 100,000 Germans and German speaking Swiss migrated to the American Colonies. They were poor Germans mostly from the Palatinate in the very south of Germany, and from Bern in Northern Switzerland. The English Crown offered them free land, free provisions for one year, and tax exempt status for ten years to get them to make a very dangerous voyage across the Atlantic. This was the first great German migration to America and plays a big roll in why so many Americans have German surnames.
Quote: mickeycrimmLudvig and Johann probably arrived at Philadelphia. If I wanted to I could probably find the name of the ship they came over on and the date they arrived.
Yep. They first settled in Chester, then moved to western Pennsylvania. The name is Swiss/German. My father has the records, including the name of the ship. From the brothers forward we have the records of pretty much everyone with the surname and variations. Same with my dad's mother. My father's mother was Welsh, but claimed she was Irish. Once we figured out she was Welsh it became easier.
On my mother's side, her father was born in Lithuania. Her mother was Croatian, but born in the US to parents who never spoke English. In addition to English she spoke Croatian, Slovak, some Hungarian, and some Russian. Records in Lithuania are sparse, and my grandfather's family might have falsified their name upon arrival in America. We have a framed photograph of his father in a cavalry uniform that had been taken in Europe. All we know is that my grandfather hated his father, called him a cruel man and wouldn't speak of him. My grandfather was no peach himself, a vain, jealous, spiteful man, a con man without the courage to pull of the con.
Quote: 1BBGo ahead and explain the golf comment to the good folks here. I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type. :-)
Easy Skakel. Supposedly killed Moxley with a golf club.
Bingo!Quote: MoscaEasy Skakel. Supposedly killed Moxley with a golf club.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, "his parents."
You got me on that one. I guess it was just too early in the morning for the obvious.
Quote: skrbornevryminYou got me on that one. I guess it was just too early in the morning for the obvious.
I was got when I heard it on a podcast. Remember it, should be good enough to win a few drinks over the course of a lifetime.
Quote: WizardThis isn't known for sure, but based on informal genealogy family tree drawings, I'm an ancestor of one of Abraham Lincoln's grandparents. To be specific, Lincoln was a seventh cousin, five times removed.
Lots of connections to the early Mormon church too. Plenty of relatives from their early settlement in Nauvoo, IL. One my direct ancestors died trying to deliver a message to Joseph Smith.
I think the real question here is how long have you been a time traveler/immortal to be an ancestor of Abraham Lincoln.
Quote: geoffI think the real question here is how long have you been a time traveler/immortal to be an ancestor of Abraham Lincoln.
Oops. Now you know where he got his big nose from.
But then again I heard 1% of the world's population is related to him somehow.
Also there was a Japanese myth that Genghis Khan was a Japanese traveler who ended up in Mongolia and wanted to start his own country.
Quote: WizardI wouldn't rule out the idea that we're descended from aliens. Didn't you see Prometheus yet?
No evidence, and I haven't seen Prometheus.
There is a serious hypothesis called Panspermia which states organic molecules travel from world world in meteorites, on gas and dust clouds, and perhaps some other ways. Gas and dust clouds are real enough and stars pass through them. As far as I know there are zero examples of a documented extra-solar meteorite.
If it's true, then solving the riddle of how life arises will be that much harder and take much, much, much longer. On the order of at least centuries longer, if not millenia.
When I was very little my aunt said i was just like him.
Nothing spectacular to those unfamiliar with that chapter in American history, but interesting enough for me.
Quote: NareedI haven't seen Prometheus.
You should.
IMO: no, but I'm young enough that Clark Gable seems ancient. If you don't mind the pry, how close?Quote: Mission146Clark Gable, or is that too recent?
Quote: WizardYou should.
Not without an apology for Alien 3, and atonement for Alien 4.
Quote: endermikeIMO: no, but I'm young enough that Clark Gable seems ancient. If you don't mind the pry, how close?
He's a third or fourth cousin, twice removed, I think. I'll ask my Great-Grandma next time I talk to her.
Not long ago a Jeanne Shackleford attached some pictures in my tree to a common ancestor in her tree. You are always notified when someone does this. I thought, Wow, am I related to Shacklefords? I went to her tree and took a look. It turned out that she had a grandmother whose maiden name was Crimm. I thought about it some more. Shackleford is Jeanne's married name. If she has any kids by her Shackleford huband then I am related to at least some Shacklefords.
Quote: WizardI wouldn't rule out the idea that we're descended from aliens. Didn't you see Prometheus yet?
I really liked Prometheus. Definitely one of the better origin of life stories.
My Cooksey line started with Samuel Cooksey (1650-1709) of Charles County, Maryland. The Earp's Cooksey line started with Phillip Cooksey (1640-1697) who was born in England but migrated to Charles County, Maryland in 1659. The trail stops there. No genealogist has been able to show what the relationship between Samuel and Phillip was. They were too similar in age to have been father and son.
So I go to my Autosomal DNA database. I currently have 27 DNA matches with Samuel Cooksey descendents. And I have 9 DNA matches with Phillip Cooksey descendents. Autosomal DNA matches start fading out after 9 or ten generations. So the matches suggest Samuel and Phillip had a relatively recent common ancestor, probably a father, grandfather or great grandfather. And why did Phillip specifically settle in Charles County, Maryland where Samuel was?
Anyway, I'm distantly related to Wyatt Earp.
My many times great grandfather Frederick came over on the Edinburgh, with his uncle Ludvig. He settled in Chester, and married Eva Kronk. Dad says he would have to look in his records to find more details.
My grandmother on my father's side was pretty snooty. Their house was always filled with artsy fartsy stuff: French paintings, milleflores, old brass knicknacks, and porcelains, and old books, much of which was obviously very old and very rare and expensive. The family story was that her aunt Peggy had been married to Sir Henry Tate, of the Tate Gallery in London.
This was untrue. Peggy's husband was a customs inspector for The Port of New York. I leave it to the reader to figure out where all the rare family knicknacks came from. My sisters have most of them, I don't care much about stuff. I had one of the nice music boxes, but one of my sisters coveted it so I gave it to her. I think I have a couple Toby mugs and some pewter.
(Henry Tate was married once, at age 65, to Jane Wignall.)
Quote: MoscaThanks for reviving this.
My many times great grandfather Frederick came over on the Edinburgh, with his uncle Ludvig. He settled in Chester, and married Eva Kronk. Dad says he would have to look in his records to find more details.
Thanks, Mosca. I have a 5th great grand uncle, Valentine Thrash, who did five stints in the Revolutionary War. In 1832 Congress provided for pensions for the Rev Vets. In 1833 Valentine applied for and received a pension of $45.83 per year. Does anyone know how much money that would be in 2014 dollars?
Quote: mickeycrimm
Thanks, Mosca. I have a 5th great grand uncle, Valentine Thrash, who did five stints in the Revolutionary War. In 1832 Congress provided for pensions for the Rev Vets. In 1833 Valentine applied for and received a pension of $45.83 per year. Does anyone know how much money that would be in 2014 dollars?
about $1237 give or take
http://www.in2013dollars.com/1833-dollars-to-2014-dollars
Quote: mickeycrimmreceived a pension of $45.83 per year. Does anyone know how much money that would be in 2014 dollars?
About $1000 now, less than a dollar a week then. A
skilled carpenter in 1830 made about $100 a year,
so it's almost a half a years wages. You could buy
many things in 1830 for half a penny, so you can't
compare it to now. They made them into the 1850's.
Paper money was around but almost nobody used
it because it was so easy to counterfeit. Even after
the Civil War it was mostly coins. Ever see anybody
in a western pay for a drink with anything but a coin?
