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billryan
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June 1st, 2019 at 11:34:03 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

what are the alternatives?



Education. Fifty years ago, investment options were limited and all were costly. Today, there is seemingly a fund for every purpose. Are concerns your only return? Are you comfortable owning stocks that use child labor? Do you care who people have sex with? If so, there is a fund for people with similar beliefs. Want to profit off of peoples sins? There's a fund for that.
Peer to Peer lending has become a huge business. It gives solid, if not spectacular returns. Micro investing, property ownership/management, self employment.
I know a kid who went from being an unemployed former vape store manager to owning three vape stores with sales of about a half million a year, all because he literally invested his rent money in an auction.
AxelWolf
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June 1st, 2019 at 11:40:44 AM permalink
I think you are supposed to invest everything in cryptocurrency now.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Lovecomps
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June 1st, 2019 at 11:50:44 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think you are supposed to invest everything in cryptocurrency now.




Oh, how I yearn for the days gone by of having the Gold Standard.
The best things in life are not free.
100xOdds
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August 13th, 2019 at 10:27:16 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

still waiting for the Trump stock market crash so I can move bonds back to stock funds
:)

interestingly enough, my corp bond fund is now doing slightly better than total market fund since i switched in dec 2017.

yeah, i gambled that the stock market would tank under Trump back in dec 2017.

and it has a couple of times where the DOW dropped below 25000 and my bonds were ahead by like +5%.
but my threshold for switching back is +10%.
and of course the market recovered and my bonds were back to being negative relative to the total market fund.

so far my bonds is +2% and the DOW is still above 26k???
corp bonds are doing great.
now wondering if i will gamble and switch back to stocks when i reach my +10% thread threshold...
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
SOOPOO
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August 13th, 2019 at 11:05:37 AM permalink
WoV portfolio up 52% from inception. I don't pay attention specifically, but likely lags 'the market' due to me buying bonds over the last 2-3 years. I buy individual bonds, not funds, so I get a locked in return assuming I keep them to maturity.
100xOdds
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August 14th, 2019 at 8:44:05 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

interestingly enough, my corp bond fund is now doing slightly better than total market fund since i switched in dec 2017.

yeah, i gambled that the stock market would tank under Trump back in dec 2017.

and it has a couple of times where the DOW dropped below 25000 and my bonds were ahead by like +5%.
but my threshold for switching back is +10%.
and of course the market recovered and my bonds were back to being negative relative to the total market fund.

so far my bonds is +2% and the DOW is still above 26k???
corp bonds are doing great.
now wondering if i will gamble and switch back to stocks when i reach my +10% thread threshold...


and the stock market is down -600 points on Bonds tripping a recession warning sign.

no idea what this means to my corp bond fund.
i guess we'll see tomorrow
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
Paradigm
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August 14th, 2019 at 12:43:45 PM permalink
I think S&P will test 2800 support level, so we have a 1-2% to go on the sell off before there is some support. You're bond values should be going up as yields continue to decline. Keep in mind that the S&P is up over 13% YTD even with the latest 6% downturn since all time high that was reached only 19 calendar days ago...interesting times for sure!

We need to get tariffs removed for any kind of deal with China that Trump can "claim" a victory. Remove that business hurdle to increased profits and the equity market will react very favorably...no one wins with the two largest economies in a trade war...just get some consensus and settle already. I think this happens by 12/31 as Trump can't afford the political capital a US recession will cost him and the Chinese economy isn't exactly humming as a result either.
SOOPOO
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September 5th, 2019 at 7:01:21 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

WoV portfolio up 52% from inception. I don't pay attention specifically, but likely lags 'the market' due to me buying bonds over the last 2-3 years. I buy individual bonds, not funds, so I get a locked in return assuming I keep them to maturity.



Tremendously volatile last month. Was up 52% on August 12. Now up 53% midday September 5. Best stock MA. More than tripled since I bought it.
Paradigm
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September 5th, 2019 at 9:44:53 AM permalink
SooPoo, can you post a summary of the current portfolio?
SOOPOO
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October 2nd, 2019 at 7:03:56 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

SooPoo, can you post a summary of the current portfolio?



By percentage performance since purchase. Some were not purchased at the inception.

MA up 242%
AAPL
FB
COST
WWE
CSCO up 120%
ILMN
BRK.B
TWCUX
DIS
SPY
IYY up 52%
DVY
CELG
INDA
IWM
AOA
TD
IWN
VBR
YNDX
MO
BMO
ERUS
RING
CRWS
NYMX
K
SVA
PGF up 1%

(losers)
SPEU
TSLA
VDE
PETS
F down 50%
SLB
CBIS
TRIB
AR
NTEK down 99%

Assorted bonds 25% of the total portfolio

The results do NOT include dividends. And a few that were split offs or mergers are not accurate. TSLA for example, was bought and then some was added via a takeover of an energy stock.


By the way, TD Ameritrade has just eliminated all fees for trading stocks. Interesting business model.....

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