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October 10th, 2014 at 4:37:20 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

much of the Republican party(and Tea Party) would excoriate a democrat for "robbing" a corporation, and/or interfering with the free market, if they did the same thing.


The "corporations" own ALL THREE partys. They "own" them,,Own!The media transmits the message they are directed to.

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It's government legislating against private industry -- no spinning it any other way.


In this case [Palins] this was actually government "working", poorly, but working. The royalty's are owed to the people who own them in this case the citizens of the State as set up in the State constitution. When Conoco and Exxon, and the others have extracted billions of barrels of oil, the royalties they have stolen is a crime, imo.

Just like the state of Nevada and the casino's, so goes oil up north, and mining and fishing. And apparently now, reality shows?
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October 10th, 2014 at 4:39:04 PM permalink
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Half-truths can be very effective political fodder so....do you mean the Alaska State Trooper who admitted to tasering his eleven year old step-son?


Seriously? Next thing you'll say is Palin was a good public official. And smart too. That question she answered incorrectly about what a Vice President's job is, asked by a 1st grader, that was a 'gotcha' question. And that movie they made about her, where they had to teach her American history during the McCain campaign--like how Germany was the bad guy in WWII--and things about foreign affairs like how the Queen of England does not run England--totally fictitious. She should sue them for defamation.
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October 10th, 2014 at 5:14:47 PM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

Seriously? Next thing you'll say is Palin was a good public official. And smart too. That question she answered incorrectly about what a Vice President's job is, asked by a 1st grader, that was a 'gotcha' question. And that movie they made about her, where they had to teach her American history during the McCain campaign--like how Germany was the bad guy in WWII--and things about foreign affairs like how the Queen of England does not run England--totally fictitious. She should sue them for defamation.



She made a lot of formidable political enemies on her way up. And guess what? They weren't Democrats. She lost the republican nomination for Lieutenant Governor in 2002 so she actively supported U.S. Senator Frank Murkowski for Governor in that same year. In the most brazen act of nepotism Alaska had ever seen Murkowski appointed his own daughter, Lisa Murkowski, to finish his term as United States Senator. Wanting to sweep Palin under the rug, Murkowski appointed her to the Oil and Gas Commission. That was the biggest mistake he ever made. She discovered all the corruption going on with all the oil, coal, and gas contracts. She filed ethics complaint after ethics complaint. Murkowski's political operatives moved to squash the little housewife from Wasilla.

She turned out to be the big ass bitch from Wasilla. She ran against him in the Republican primary in 2006 and wiped him out. He only got 19% of the vote. LOL. Then she wiped out the corruption in the oil, coal, and gas industry. And guess what? She did this to republicans, not democrats.

She got blindsided by McCain's nomination of her as Vice President. I don't think she expected it. McCain did it to appease the right wingers of his party. Hundreds of liberal journalists poured into the state looking to dig up any dirt they could on her. Murkowski's operatives layed in wait until after the election then they poured on her also. She ran up a half million dollar lawyer bill during her tenure as Governor, because of all the frivolous lawsuits filed against her. She had no way to pay it unless she resigned and took the big paydays that Fox News and others were offering her. The lawsuits were eventually all dropped. After she left the Governor's seat the state enacted a law paying the lawyer bills of elected officials who were cleared of ethics complaints. She didn't have that privelege when she was in office.

I don't see her as a national politician, but she did a lot of good for Alaska while she was there.
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October 10th, 2014 at 5:46:42 PM permalink
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I don't see her as a national politician, but she did a lot of good for Alaska while she was there.



She's a hick from a hick town in AK.
She's bright and did the right thing
as gov. She's not media savvy which
means she will never go anywhere.
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October 10th, 2014 at 6:17:00 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

The American people promoted Obama to President and he got a big raise.
The American people said no raise for Sarah Palin. The American deemed her not qualified for a promotion.

Palin quit her job after only 2 years.



SO WHAT? Where is it written that a politician can't quit for a better gig elsewhere. Have you ever quit a job to get a better job? I sure have. Heck, just this week I got a better gig that the old one. I wish more pols would not be afraid to quit. Palin did well for AK in getting more oil royalties. She left to create more wealth for her and her family--good for her!
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October 10th, 2014 at 6:20:50 PM permalink
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She left to create more wealth for her and her family--good for her!



That family seems to have an incredible
work ethic, they amaze me. It's a fact in
the US that if you work your butt off, you
will probably get ahead 99% of the time.
That's why so many from EU came here,
that wasn't true in the old country.
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October 10th, 2014 at 7:02:46 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That family seems to have an incredible
work ethic, they amaze me. It's a fact in
the US that if you work your butt off, you
will probably get ahead 99% of the time.
That's why so many from EU came here,
that wasn't true in the old country.



You will not last in the oilfields if you are a slug. And it seems she shares his work ethic. Since leaving office she has a lot of hustle, the rest of the family as well. They showed a piece on her FNC guest pieces. Todd works the camera and they set most of it up themselves.

She is something to emulate. Lose as VEEP candidate and just picks herself up, dusts herself off, and starts all over again. Watching the reaction of the left to her is amazing. "We have been trying to destroy this woman for six yeas and she will still not shut up and go away!"
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October 10th, 2014 at 7:50:15 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Watching the reaction of the left to her is amazing.



I wanna bust out laughing when they
whine about her or FoxNews. You can
always tell when something effects the
Left in bothersome way, they go out
of their way to demean it. That means
they're really worried.
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October 10th, 2014 at 8:06:57 PM permalink
You guys got it wrong. For instance, Romney got different criticism than Palin. Romney, robot, disconnected, country club mentality.

We didn't reserve anything special for Palin. It is true that if any of the these people want to keep popping up on the news radar, then it becomes more whack-a-mole.

I have worse things to say about Ted Cruz than either of those two, and I don't consider him a threat to getting into the Presidential office at all. I don't have as many bad things to say about Jindal or even Jeb Bush, and Jeb Bush might be in the running. Jindal, I don't think so, though he may still run.
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October 10th, 2014 at 8:11:58 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine



We didn't reserve anything special for Palin. .



Sorry, I was there, I saw it. The left came
unglued at the seams over her, it was
like sharks at noon in the gulf stream
off of FL. Hemingway liked to take
newbie tourists there at noon when the
feeding frenzy was at it's peak. Some of
them would vomit over the side at the
savagery in the crystal clear
water.

That was the Left over Sarah Palin, and
it still goes on.
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October 10th, 2014 at 8:24:05 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Sorry, I was there, I saw it. The left came
unglued at the seams over her, it was
like sharks at noon in the gulf stream
off of FL. Hemingway liked to take
newbie tourists there at noon when the
feeding frenzy was at it's peak. Some of
them would vomit over the side at the
savagery in the crystal clear
water.

That was the Left over Sarah Palin, and
it still goes on.



I'd worry more about one of the guys from duck dynasty. They have a broader following.
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October 10th, 2014 at 8:43:39 PM permalink
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The money belongs to the people, not the government.



The money belongs to the federal reserve. The federal reserve is not federal. Look at the money in your wallet, it says "federal reserve note" that's who owns it. Most don't know it is also a private corporation. A private corporation owns and controls the money in circulation in the US. The private corp. has shareholders who own it [the fed], I wonder who the shareholders are?

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The national debt will never be paid off nor should it be paid off.

Its kind of hard for most people to wrap their head around how money comes into existence [fiat]. It is loaned into existence. If all the debts were payed off there would be no money. When a person gets a loan from a bank to buy a house the bank doesn't go and get it out of the vault or from depositors for that matter, as it used to be. Fractional reserve wasn't good enough for them. What was the old saying, borrow [from depositors] at 3[%], loan it to a homebuyer at 6[%] and be on the golf course by 3[o'clock]?

When France forced the US in 71 to close the gold window and allow for totally contrived money it was the end of banking as most think of it. That is where the majority of the money [trillions] that was created is now sitting. [In reserve] If the big banks who now are just giant federally backed hedge funds loaned this created money out, inflation would go berserk. As it is now the feds [private created money] has loaned these mega banks trillions of dollars at .50% or less and the banks have purchased treasury bills with [from the treasury] and pay them 3-4%.

Price discovery is no longer a function of the market, it is all manipulated. [what are the components of the dow now?]

The tax payers are on the hook to pay these bankers for eternity, billions of dollars of interest income on money the fed [that they own] created and loaned them, to deposit and collect interest from the taxpayers grandchildren.
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October 12th, 2014 at 9:57:25 AM permalink
Petroglyph


We the so called people cant continue to blame government for all the wrongs in the country, because it is
we the people that elected them.

The republicans put up with Bush his last four years in office just because he was not a democrat
Why I don't know, his last four years he acted more like a democrat than a real conservative, voting more
with them than with us.

It was because of the last four Bush years that we ended up with the most anti American, so called American
president in our history.

Now again I cant be mad at Obama for being a Marxist, but I am disappointed in Americans for voting for him.

All over the world the question is now being asked what does the government have to do to get their economies
going again..... there are no answers..... here all the government had to do was get the hell out of the way, and all
we do is elect some one like Obama that hates free enterprise and capitalism...

this is stuff you cant even write movies about.

You want to rescue this country ( if it could still be done)..... get more power back to the states and that starts
with repealing the 17th amendment..... states legislatures (closest to the people) have to be able to appoint
senators.. not have them elected only by proxy by the national parties.

You have to have a balanced budget amendment
you have to have terms limits so the future of the future of the country becomes more important than the future of the
official
We.... and I mean we..... have to take off our child like republican hats and democrat hat and actually start thinking
for ourselves and do what is best for the country and our grandkids instead of what is best for a political party.
And for gods sake get over this notion that diversity is the holy grail for all ills of the world, when it is that goal
that is partly responsible for many of the problems in the world.

This election is easy, you want more civil unrest, more debt, less civility in the world, vote to keep this lunatic in
power. You want almost the same thing, but with the possibility of hope, vote against anyone that supports Obama
policy, not because he is a democrat, but because he is against everything this country was supposed to stand for.

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October 12th, 2014 at 10:53:40 AM permalink
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The money belongs to the federal reserve. The federal reserve is not federal. Look at the money in your wallet, it says "federal reserve note" that's who owns it. Most don't know it is also a private corporation. A private corporation owns and controls the money in circulation in the US. The private corp. has shareholders who own it [the fed], I wonder who the shareholders are?



If you musts then, replace "money" with "wealth," Either way the people own it and not the government.

Its kind of hard for most people to wrap their head around how money comes into existence [fiat]. It is loaned into existence. If all the debts were payed off there would be no money. When a person gets a loan from a bank to buy a house the bank doesn't go and get it out of the vault or from depositors for that matter, as it used to be. Fractional reserve wasn't good enough for them. What was the old saying, borrow [from depositors] at 3[%], loan it to a homebuyer at 6[%] and be on the golf course by 3[o'clock]?

When France forced the US in 71 to close the gold window and allow for totally contrived money it was the end of banking as most think of it. That is where the majority of the money [trillions] that was created is now sitting. [In reserve] If the big banks who now are just giant federally backed hedge funds loaned this created money out, inflation would go berserk. As it is now the feds [private created money] has loaned these mega banks trillions of dollars at .50% or less and the banks have purchased treasury bills with [from the treasury] and pay them 3-4%.



Honestly, I did not understand the Fed until I got a job in banking. I have met very intelligent people who could not answer with any reasonable accuracy, "where does money come from?" And what you said about borrow at the Fed then walk down the street and loan to the Feds is what I have been screaming to people since 2008. This system of money laundering is one that Tony Montana and Walter White could only dream of. The USA consumer is happy with it because they are allowed to buy a car at 4%.

The Fed is a system that cannot work without inflation. Since 1913, 98% of the value of a USD has been lost. When it returned some value we had a depression. The economy cannot function otherwise as if people could not "grow out of" their debt things would crash.

Eventually the whole system must collapse by design.
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October 12th, 2014 at 12:20:41 PM permalink
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We the so called people cant continue to blame government for all the wrongs in the country, because it is
we the people that elected them.

I love you man, but we look at reality re; power structure, differently. We don't have any choice that matters anymore. To think that "the vote" makes any difference to who is our "apparent elected reps" is just too simplistic for my interpretation of what is truthfully going on.

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The republicans put up with Bush his last four years in office just because he was not a democrat

I don't believe the country has ever unseated a sitting president for their second term when we were at war?

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Why I don't know

It is hard to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding,[Upton Sinclair] [Not referring to you!] Its a machine that cranks out obscene wealth for pols, they keep the machine greased and their hands out, simple. And no one notices anything other than political drivel and the Kardashians.

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what does the government have to do to get their economies
going again.....

The key word is "their". Their economy's are doing just fine, the rub comes when we think "we" matter. We don't, never have. Nothing has changed in two thousand years. Its not so much that power corrupts its more that power attracts the corruptible.
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there are no answers....

yes there are answers, we are just not privy to them. As an aside when Bush 1 had "us" invade Iraq the first time, wti was under 20$ per bbl. Coincidence, I think not. Do you remember the resources [oil] was going to pay for us liberating the Iraqi people?

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this is stuff you cant even write movies about.

sure you can, but nobody would believe them, and again what would the Kardashians do?

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You want to rescue this country ( if it could still be done).....

It can't, not without a complete reset. Like Bush said the constitution is just a piece of paper. Did you not notice both Clinton and both Bushes and the current POTUS in their speaches with raised hands worshipping the NWO?
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You have to have a balanced budget amendment you have to have terms limits so the future of the future of the country becomes more important than the future of the official

You don't really think that is going to happen do you?
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We have to take off our child like republican hats and democrat hat

I think we, us have to understand that the only difference is the hat.
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October 12th, 2014 at 4:17:01 PM permalink
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Now again I cant be mad at Obama for being a Marxist,

I guess I didn't blather enough about this yet? At least Marx "was" somebody, the author of an ideology. Obama is just a tool. It astounds me, Americans belief in their own exceptionalism. I am amazed every election cycle when the opponents are to lazy to not even change the platform from the last election. In one variation or another it is always, always...the economy, social security, education, crime, taxes and some existential threat. It never changes, and no one can remember the last election save for the bullet points. This country is doomed. And it grieves me truly, by the lives lost to secure our liberty. This election will be the same, they could just overlay it over the last one. Obama was going to close Guantanamo and get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Our media that some think one is better than the other cannot even publish the names of the KIA's, or photograph the coffins.

There is a new NFL season started and we no longer choose to honor Pat Tillman, a true hero. Every one of the red/blue team that keeps us in these illegal wars and wastes the wealth of this nation and the lives of our best can kiss my ass. Veterans day has become just another holiday, and my fellow voters don't care enough to investigate beyond the pre-determined debate issues. They stand before a national audience and tell us what is important, My God man........people are just not going to wake up while there is food to eat and entertainment. The Romans knew the method well.

I didn't find the quote but "one day you will wake up as sharecroppers in a nation our fathers gave their lives for" that's the stuff that bounces around in my dead during election season.

Then I make the mistake of turning on some nat'l news and "they" can't figure out how to seal the border and why 50 million Americans can't feed themselves.
Reagan gave over a million illegals amnesty and I read 24% of them have never gotten off public aid. Now this guy[Obama, it doesn't matter which party it is] wants to hand out more "pathways" to being a citizen. ARRRRGH They can't understand whats wrong with social security either? What can't be paid, won't.
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October 12th, 2014 at 9:09:26 PM permalink
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The money belongs to the federal reserve. The federal reserve is not federal. Look at the money in your wallet, it says "federal reserve note" that's who owns it. Most don't know it is also a private corporation. A private corporation owns and controls the money in circulation in the US. The private corp. has shareholders who own it [the fed], I wonder who the shareholders are?



If you musts then, replace "money" with "wealth," Either way the people own it and not the government.

Ok, but it doesn't sound as good "the wealth belongs to the federal reserve" lol, jk. I know what you mean, and agree.

But, if I took it literally, try walking into a treasury building and ripping up some frn's, or melting down some pre-64 coin in front of them to get melt value. That's why I say we don't own it, if we owned it theoretically we could do what we want with it.

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The Fed is a system that cannot work without inflation. Since 1913, 98% of the value of a USD has been lost.

Incredible, isn't it? What a piss poor store of value it has been, luckily for us its been better than the rest of the fiat currency's. The stated goal of the fed reserve is 2% inflation, ha. I remember when a passbook savings account payed 5% interest. Not everyone can manage a portfolio [me included] but if us old "folks" put our heads down and noses to the grindstone over the course of our lives and saved the money at that rate it would double every 14 years. As we know those that did all the right things, built the country, fought the wars etc., because of the feds targeted rate [which is a lie] are now looking for work precisely when they should be allowed to fade into the sunset. After a lifetime of honest toil and at this stage of infirmity, what do we do with us old people?

They, both party's, have looted Social Security and deflated our lifes savings through tinkering with the money. I don't see either party truthfully trying to make that right with the people. I see the "revolving door" where two steps out the congressional door and they go to "work" for 7 figures. They are scoundrels of the first degree. I am willing to be wrong about this, but I doubt it.

I wonder if possibly you may have read, "the creature from Jekyll Island? It explains the fed reserve's creation. A great read. Also, FOEM, friends of Eustace Mullens. Equally good.

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Eventually the whole system must collapse by design.

As we are aware, replacement of the world reserve currency is in process. Perhaps SDR's or Yuan?
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October 12th, 2014 at 9:27:37 PM permalink
Well that is a lot to think about, and i will contend i agree with the last sentence..... in part.

In Europe as i write this, all the political classes have given up on the idea that any of them can stop
greater levels of socialism that will someday lead to a complete world breakdown of hope. All some hope
is they can manage it in some way.

My comment about peoples around the world demanding governments seek ways to inspire their
economies was made because they are failing. Free enterprise has not been cultivated there long
enough to endure hard times, its roots are to shallow and the people so unsure about self determination
that they lack enough faith in themselves. So they demand governments do something.

Our country was different, freedom and free enterprise built an economic system that has deep roots
in our potential and in our people. Yet sadly today 50% of our people no longer have the word ethic or
the faith in free enterprise to push through hard times. The democratic party, (not the democratic party
of my grandfather) buys votes by undermining our free enterprise system by organizing those that
wont produce, promoting government control and had outs, and using tax dollars to buy votes. Make no
mistake, fully half of this country has no desire to see a free enterprise system continue.. and in truth, it wont,
the country of our fathers is gone and can not be reborn.

I guess this in the end the result of freedom, while many of us feel we are free to work and produce more than
we need so it can be shared with our families and others, also produces the same freedom to do nothing.

When i speak of political parties, i am fully aware that the republican party is just as bad, maybe worse, because they
at least know better, but don't have the guts to fight.

Republicans knew Bush's spending habits his last four years was destroying the central idea that republicans
believed in fiscal restraint, yet they said nothing. Every single republican and democrat in office today knows
full well we can never repay the 18 trillion debt or the 95 trillion in federal obligations and they do nothing.

Tomorrow if the government of this country stopped paying the 47,600,000 people on food stamps, 12,800,000 on
welfare, 8,800,000 on disability and the 65 billion it pushes monthly into the stock market, it would seem like we
were in a depression over night.

And what do we do, talk about the next election like it just like any other, instead of talking about how in the hell
do we save what is left of this country.

Now i don't really care what political hat a person wears... but you should at least think, if you are a worker, it should
make sense that the more costly government makes it to run a business, the fewer business's you will have, the more
costly government makes it to hire a worker, the fewer workers you will have, the government regulations and high taxes
the government takes from American business, the fewer we will have the more other countries will have. This very day and
business in Canada has a 35% advantage over a similar American business because of our government.

I could go on all day about the destruction this government is doing to the country, but unless people start to understand it
it will make no difference.

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October 12th, 2014 at 10:45:34 PM permalink
@ dicesetter,

Good post
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October 13th, 2014 at 12:39:30 AM permalink
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@ dicesetter,

Good post



Doom and gloom, easy to write, and usually not very prescient..
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October 13th, 2014 at 3:30:28 AM permalink
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Incredible, isn't it? What a piss poor store of value it has been, luckily for us its been better than the rest of the fiat currency's. The stated goal of the fed reserve is 2% inflation, ha. I remember when a passbook savings account payed 5% interest. Not everyone can manage a portfolio [me included] but if us old "folks" put our heads down and noses to the grindstone over the course of our lives and saved the money at that rate it would double every 14 years. As we know those that did all the right things, built the country, fought the wars etc., because of the feds targeted rate [which is a lie] are now looking for work precisely when they should be allowed to fade into the sunset. After a lifetime of honest toil and at this stage of infirmity, what do we do with us old people?

They, both party's, have looted Social Security and deflated our lifes savings through tinkering with the money. I don't see either party truthfully trying to make that right with the people. I see the "revolving door" where two steps out the congressional door and they go to "work" for 7 figures. They are scoundrels of the first degree. I am willing to be wrong about this, but I doubt it.



Here is the thing. Anyone who has ever been in sales or operations management knows that it is not easy to keep increasing revenue and profit. Imagine a grocery store and take one simple product, say sugar. Most people use a fairly steady amount, say 10lbs a year. The owner can't just increase the price, if he does I will buy it elsewhere. He can try to get me to buy more, but to do so he has to change my habits and find more end use for me. So perhaps he gives out recipe cards with more uses for sugar. Maybe I buy more, but does that last? Even if it does last, next year he has to come up with yet another way to get me to buy more. But my funds are limited, and the guy selling milk wants me to buy more of that, so my attention is divided.

In a world with inflation, though, I expect and accept little price increases. So when the plantation forces an increase on him he can add a little more for himself. His mortgage stays constant and gets paid easier with the "new" revenue. It is a shell game, it has eliminated the "panics" of the 1800s. The price is eventual collapse.


As we are aware, replacement of the world reserve currency is in process. Perhaps SDR's or Yuan?

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October 13th, 2014 at 8:03:24 AM permalink
AZD



Here is the thing people like BOb miss..... the national debt has doubled each time we have had a stock
market crash over the last three times... why.. because politicians cant stand the heat so they spend
as much as possible trying to convince the American people things are OK....

Instead of allowing our economic system to work, they continue to screw it up. The problems in
the housing market was 100% of the fault of the ACR signed into law by who else...Jimmy Carter
It demands banks make home loans to people that don't qualify in under existing bank lending
rules... and what happened.... housing bubble so large it almost destroyed the country, and did
destroy for all times many small villages in America that will never rebound.

From the period 2005-2007 even up to now the difference between loans foreclosure
rates and problem loans 5-6% for home loans the bank would normally make to as high 27-37%
for home loans the government demanded be made.....fha runs 3 times higher, va the only
government agency with half a brain is still 1.5 times higher. Then the government and
this knucklehead in office blames this on wall street bankers, which have nothing to do with
who gets a home loan and who does not. IN Central Wisconsin where I live there are small
village after small village with empty homes over priced by these government demands, and some
are never resold, replacing the dream of home ownership with an empty lot.

Some call this is doom and gloom speech, I have been in over 200 of these foreclosed fha
and subprime homes and I have the right to call it reality, and it wont be fixed until we admit
who caused it.

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October 14th, 2014 at 8:38:10 PM permalink
I keep seeing these pro Hillary print ads with
pics of her taken in the mid 90's, 20 years
ago. I told you looks were going to be an
issue, she looks nothing like that anymore.

Shudder..
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October 15th, 2014 at 3:24:26 PM permalink
Is this woman on drugs? Good grief, you're
the First Lady fergodsake..

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October 15th, 2014 at 3:57:02 PM permalink
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Is this woman on drugs? Good grief, you're
the First Lady fergodsake..



I was waiting for some GOPers to complain about this.

Didn't take long.

Pick your battles. There is nothing wrong with this. You just don't like it because you don't like her.
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:15:16 PM permalink
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There is nothing wrong with this. You just don't like it because you don't like her.



Baloney. If this was Laura Bush I would
be mortified. First Ladies don't act like
they're on crack in public. Also, her
school lunch guidelines are failing everywhere.
The kids are throwing the food away. It's
so bad some schools are foregoing federal
funds just so they can have their own
menus.
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:16:42 PM permalink
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Baloney. If this was Laura Bush I would
be mortified. First Ladies don't act like
they're on crack in public.



She isn't acting like she's on crack. Perhaps you're just out of touch with the audience she's trying to reach out to?
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:18:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Baloney. If this was Laura Bush I would
be mortified. First Ladies don't act like
they're on crack in public. Also, her
school lunch guidelines are failing everywhere.
The kids are throwing the food away. It's
so bad some schools are foregoing federal
funds just so they can have their own
menus.



A woman who never worked in food service decides she is qualified to make decisions on institutional cooking, I don't see why it has been such a failure. Has anyone even asked why the government is supposed to be involved in so-called obesity in the first place?
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:23:02 PM permalink
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Is this woman on drugs? Good grief, you're
the First Lady fergodsake..



Bob, play it again and listen,it sounds to me like its Hillary singing in the background
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:23:06 PM permalink
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She isn't acting like she's on crack.



Could have fooled me. I'm embarrassed for
her. She's not Oprah, as much as she thinks
she is..
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Could have fooled me. I'm embarrassed for
her. She's not Oprah, as much as she thinks
she is..



She'll be up late tonight.
Worried that EvenBob is embarassed for her.
'What do I have to do to gain his respect?'
she'll ask herself.
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:25:55 PM permalink
She can dance all week and you aren't going to see many kids on eating a turnip...
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She can dance all week and you aren't going to see many kids on eating a turnip...



This is a valid point.

I don't think I've ever eaten a turnip in my life.
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October 15th, 2014 at 4:33:30 PM permalink
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She isn't acting like she's on crack. Perhaps you're just out of touch with the audience she's trying to reach out to?



Can't speak for EB but you are right, I at least am out of touch with low information-hooked on junk-pop culture types.
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Can't speak for EB but you are right, I at least am out of touch with low information-hooked on junk-pop .



And drugs..
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October 15th, 2014 at 6:16:31 PM permalink
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Has anyone even asked why the government is supposed to be involved in so-called obesity in the first place?



I don't know what should the government be involved in literacy in the first place. The answer because its a first ladies pet project they all have one and it is normally seen as innocuous. I mean you didn't see anyone complaining when Laura Bush promoted literacy or when Nancy Reagan promoted just say no.
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I don't know what should the government be involved in literacy in the first place. The answer because its a first ladies pet project they all have one and it is normally seen as innocuous. I mean you didn't see anyone complaining when Laura Bush promoted literacy or when Nancy Reagan promoted just say no.



Wouldn't it have been neat if Mrs Bush danced
around with a pencil and Nancy with a joint?
That wouldn't have looked ridiculous at all..
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October 15th, 2014 at 6:45:10 PM permalink
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Wouldn't it have been neat if Mrs Bush danced
around with a pencil and Nancy with a joint?
That wouldn't have looked ridiculous at all..



Yeah because Nancy Reagan didn't do anything ridiculous to promote just say no. She would never appear in a completely asinine music video about it except of course she did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Madness . But remember it is Michele Obama and Barack Obama that clearly have shown an utter disregard for the office they occupy.
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October 15th, 2014 at 7:01:54 PM permalink
Besides the target audience for school lunch promos is kids, not senior citizens.

If Michelle Obama was targeting the old folks, she would have made a "get off my White House lawn" video.
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Not fond of the attempts to attack Michelle Obama when she's trying to promote exercise and good eating habits. She's not writing or enforcing policy. She's leading by example. Everywhere she goes, whatever else she's there for, she goes to a local gym or school and does an exercise session with kids. She had planted and helps maintain a vegetable garden on the White House grounds. This is all a long way from a bad thing. The bad thing comes in when political interests find ways to disparage it. It lessens all of us to undercut efforts like this.
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October 15th, 2014 at 7:16:13 PM permalink
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Not fond of the attempts to attack Michelle Obama when she's trying to promote exercise and good eating habits. She's not writing or enforcing policy. She's leading by example. Everywhere she goes, whatever else she's there for, she goes to a local gym or school and does an exercise session with kids. She had planted and helps maintain a vegetable garden on the White House grounds. This is all a long way from a bad thing. The bad thing comes in when political interests find ways to disparage it. It lessens all of us to undercut efforts like this.



You just can't dance with a turnip and expect people not to say anything...she is no different than any other wife of a President--she'll do some things that are awkward and people will say things. If no one was paying attention at all, that would be worse for her...
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October 15th, 2014 at 7:32:36 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

She's not writing or enforcing policy. She's leading by example.



And bombing out all over the country. Schools
and parents and students are rejecting her
food policies everywhere. Here's an article
from CBS, not exactly a right wing org..
There are dozens of stories like this on the
epic failure of what dancing with turnips
gets you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-obama-touted-federal-healthy-lunch-program-leaves-bad-taste-in-some-school-districts-mouths/
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October 15th, 2014 at 8:06:55 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

And bombing out all over the country. Schools
and parents and students are rejecting her
food policies everywhere. Here's an article
from CBS, not exactly a right wing org..
There are dozens of stories like this on the
epic failure of what dancing with turnips
gets you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-obama-touted-federal-healthy-lunch-program-leaves-bad-taste-in-some-school-districts-mouths/



If your kid comes home and tells you the school is not letting him drink cokes and eat chips for lunch out of the vending machine the first thing you should say is, "Terrific."

They can make their own bad decisions when they have moved out and are paying their bills. Kids will eat donuts and fritos all day and complain bitterly if they get shut off that they "are starving". Shoot every spoiled kitty cat in the world uses that trick when it is offered cat food instead of canned tuna. "Cannot eat -- don't you see I will starve to death if you don't keep feeding me fancy people food? Meow meow"

Bah. You can become a libertarian when you pay the bills.
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October 15th, 2014 at 10:09:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

And bombing out all over the country. Schools
and parents and students are rejecting her
food policies everywhere. Here's an article
from CBS, not exactly a right wing org..
There are dozens of stories like this on the
epic failure of what dancing with turnips
gets you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michelle-obama-touted-federal-healthy-lunch-program-leaves-bad-taste-in-some-school-districts-mouths/



What does that say about how and what parents are feeding their kids? Or raising them to think food is something to be thrown away or picked over? If the parents don't like what the school is feeding the kids, they have a lot of options. The lame one is to blame the First Lady.

1. Get parent input on the menu; it's generally district-wide. (Again, the First Lady doesn't set school lunch menu policy; it's local.)
2. Protest the menu to the school board or its dieticians; offer to help.
3. Teach their kids to eat what's put in front of them.
4. Teach their kids to enjoy something beyond fast food taste-tested to the perfect sweet-fat-salt point.
5. Make their kids' lunches or teach the kids to pack a lunch.
6. Make the food optional, and make arrangements for any leftovers to go to the homeless daily.
7. Let the kids who don't eat go hungry until they learn to eat.

No excuse for 5 million kids to go to bed hungry in this country, let alone 12 million adults, every night when people are throwing away food paid for by the public.
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October 16th, 2014 at 12:29:21 AM permalink
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What does that say about how and what parents are feeding their kids? .



Modern kids have been eating crap for
75 years, it's a rite of passage. It's pie
in the sky to think you can wean them
off of pizza and fries and onto carrot
sticks and veggie burgers.
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October 16th, 2014 at 2:43:01 AM permalink
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5. Make their kids' lunches or teach the kids to pack a lunch.


Ah, but this is just the thing schools are NOT letting kids do. Have you seen the news? Kids having the lunch mom sent them to school with taken away because the school did not approve. Some schools banning bringing your own lunch to school at all.

This is the difference between the aforesaid Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Reagan. Literacy and "Just Say No" did not infringe on anyone's freedom, the obesity thing does.

The whole thing is silly. Institutional kitchen managers know how to make meals that will work in their location, there is no reason they need the Feds saying to cook this or that. End the guidelines and let the school districts decide how to run their own kitchens.
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October 16th, 2014 at 5:26:47 AM permalink
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Can't speak for EB but you are right, I at least am out of touch with low information-hooked on junk-pop culture types.



This "low-information" business is nonsense.

B9, the nuked troll, used to always use the same phrase as if it only applied to Democrats.

As if there aren't tons of low information voters on your side. Gimme a break.
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October 16th, 2014 at 8:33:01 AM permalink
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This "low-information" business is nonsense.

B9, the nuked troll, used to always use the same phrase as if it only applied to Democrats.

As if there aren't tons of low information voters on your side. Gimme a break.



I didn't mention political affiliation at all. I am just saying that a person dancing with a turnip is something I cannot really relate to, and it is generally not going to be something any more informed person will, either.
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October 16th, 2014 at 11:39:33 AM permalink
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I didn't mention political affiliation at all. I am just saying that a person dancing with a turnip is something I cannot really relate to, and it is generally not going to be something any more informed person will, either.



Informed about what?

Again, nonsense.
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October 16th, 2014 at 12:27:46 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Informed about what?

Again, nonsense.



People in power dancing with veggies, naw,
that's not dopey. Everytime I see it I just
shake my head..
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