konceptum
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:36:19 AM permalink
As a person who previously worked in Human Resources, I can tell you that every company is different when it comes to the interpretation of 'sick leave'. Vacation leave is usually pretty easy, as it's generally more than one day, and arranged well in advance of the time off. Sick leave, on the other hand, could be defined as someone just not feeling well, or could be reserved for those instances when a doctor's visit is required. I had lobbied for the inclusion of 'mental health' days. Most people have the feeling of the OP in that they are allotted a number of days, and they should use those days.

Now, in my consulting practice, I tell businesses that they should adopt one of two policies. The first, which is better for those companies who are too established and too afraid of trying something new, is to pay people for their unused sick days. This could be on a yearly basis, on a milestone basis (every 5 years), or even at retirement/termination. This provides incentive for people to not use their sick days 'willy nilly'.

The second option is to eliminate the concept of sick days and vacation days, and convert everything to 'leave time'. This can still add up to the combination of sick and vacation time from prior to the conversion. So, an employee might be given 20 days of 'leave time' per year. Whether this time is used for vacation or sick leave is irrelevant and completely up to the employee. Vacation time still must be arranged in advance, per company policy, and in addition it may be determined that a person cannot utilize all of their days in one long time off, depending on their position and job responsibilities. Sick days can be taken 'on the fly', but anything resembling a pattern will require a doctor's note.

Of course, all of this is assuming that the vacation, sick, and leave time are all paid days off. Unpaid days off are always an option for employees, however, I advise companies to write into their policy manual that an employee taking unpaid days off becomes eligible for termination.
MidwestAP
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:41:09 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

So in my staying under my allotted PTO (as someone put it), I'm abusing it, correct?



But you didn't state it as PTO, you stated it as two different buckets, sick and vacation. One should make sure they use all the vacation time they can't carry forward. One should use sick time only for those days your employers defines as sick time. I imagine the definition is contained in an employee handbook or something like that.
TIMSPEED
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:42:56 AM permalink
Quote: 1arrowheaddr

The problem with getting rid of sick days and going to PTO only is that it encourages people to come in to work when they actually are sick. Since the PTO could be used for vacation why waste a day of it when you are at home sick.


If you basically haven't used a sick day in six years...then you can't tell me you aren't coming in to work sick...unless of course you're a superhuman...or a worker-bee.
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TIMSPEED
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:46:52 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

On the books, while an employee is allowed x number of sick days a year, it is not budgeted that way.

Vacation days are budgeted with the assumption that everyone takes vacation, AND that can be easily calculated. It is accrued as an expense, as a matter of fact, and vacation untaken remains as a accrued liability on the books until taken.

Sick days are also budgeted but there is no accrual going on as the sick "expense" is taken as it occurs. Most companies will budget their sick time according to actual sick time taken. This is usually around 2-3% of budget (5-7 sick days per year per employee, depending on the industry).

While you are allowed x number of sick days, generally the employer expects that they are only to be taken if you are sick, not as a free "mental health" day that you take every month.

As for me who rarely gets sick, I take a "mental health" day every quarter, and it is truly a mental health day, spent at home, relaxing. I usually take it mid-week as well and tailor it to the activities going on at work, so that if the week is scheduled to be light, I can get away with taking off a day and it being non-billable with negligible impact to the client.


This is exactly what I wanted to hear! I really thought it DID have something to do with the way the company budgets...even though it seemed not, but it DOES!
So, they're pushing of people to NOT use their sick days, is actually saving the company money...
I guess I'm just abusing the policy...I guess it's time to go be a teacher..so I can have spring/winter/summer breaks off...
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:49:46 AM permalink
You folks are getting paid to stay home when you are sick. Paid to go to the beach and rest (vacation). Personal time off?? lol This whole concept seems very socialistic to me.

Being self employed, I make money when I work. If I am sick and miss considerable time, like 3 months last year, I don't make money. If I choose to go lounge around the pool or beach for a few days, I don't make money. I am not dependent on someone to pay me for not working. Doesn't this sound more like the way it should be?? :)
AceCrAAckers
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:52:55 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

If you basically haven't used a sick day in six years...then you can't tell me you aren't coming in to work sick...unless of course you're a superhuman...or a worker-bee.



In other countries, people have different values. Mainly, if you don't work, you don't eat. Here in USA, we are brain washed with words like "entitlement" like handouts is deserved.

What made America great are first generation Americans who workded harder than their children. Look around and see what first generatios have done. Food stamp is a stop gap measure to be used in an emergency till you get back on your feet, not a way of life.

People who run their own business do not have the luxury of taking days off if they are little under the weather or if they do not feel like working. Working for the government allows you to do things that will not fly in private business. Anyone who took a sick day off per month in my company will be fired. Sick days are for the sick, not, I am sick of work so I do not want to come in bs.
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:55:27 AM permalink
Quote: konceptum

Sick days can be taken 'on the fly', but anything resembling a pattern will require a doctor's note..


Which they have mandated for ME and ONLY me.
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TIMSPEED
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December 11th, 2012 at 9:59:00 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

In other countries, people have different values. Mainly, if you don't work, you don't eat. Here in USA, we are brain washed with words like "entitlement" like handouts is deserved.

What made America great are first generation Americans who workded harder than their children. Look around and see what first generatios have done. Food stamp is a stop gap measure to be used in an emergency till you get back on your feet, not a way of life.

People who run their own business do not have the luxury of taking days off if they are little under the weather or if they do not feel like working. Working for the government allows you to do things that will not fly in private business. Anyone who took a sick day off per month in my company will be fired. Sick days are for the sick, not, I am sick of work so I do not want to come in bs.


All this is fine and dandy...simply say "There are no sick days, if you do not come in you do not get paid." I am fine with that practice....but if you say I am entitled to something, then say something else..well that is another story...
and FWIW, if I used a sick day on a tue-wed-thur they'd be fine and dandy with it and smiling all the way...
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AceCrAAckers
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December 11th, 2012 at 10:05:11 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

All this is fine and dandy...simply say "There are no sick days, if you do not come in you do not get paid." I am fine with that practice....but if you say I am entitled to something, then say something else..well that is another story...



Sick days are for days when you are sick. You are not entitled to sick days because you are sick of working!

Quote: TIMSPEED

and FWIW, if I used a sick day on a tue-wed-thur they'd be fine and dandy with it and smiling all the way...



How convienient that you are only sick on Mon or Fri. Thats what makes your story about being sick so much crap.
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TIMSPEED
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December 11th, 2012 at 10:07:21 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

How convienient that you are only sick on Mon or Fri. Thats what makes your story about being sick so much crap.


Convienient indeed...perhaps I should plan for illness better...
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