Sex in the Casino

A point came up in a thread as to whether or not there was sex in a casino. So I decided to create what I hope to be a drama free poll for a change.

This is about our powers of observation, as well I suppose, as the type of casinos we play in. However, I suspect the type of casino is not the determining factor here. I have played at a lot of the nicer places, in many locations, and my answers are all positive.

I'm not asking if you condone or partake, just if you have observed it, or not.

Because some will undoubtedly not be familiar with the other thread in question, I'd like to recap.

This is somewhat paraphrased, but I do not believe I've altered any context.

Quote: WongBo

There is no morality in a casino. The casino preys on every human weakness they can think of.
Sex, drugs, rock and roll

Quote: MonkeyMonkey

Ok, I admit it, sometimes they do play rock music. The sex and drugs must be going on in the bathroom because I never see that.

Quote: RaleighCraps

...even I can see all the prostitutes (might be too strong a word) working the casino floor! I have seen it in 90% of the casinos I have been in, and most all of them are not dives. If I see it on an occasional visit, the dealers and suits certainly know it is there.

If this is the premise that launched the discussion, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, then I believe your poll is missing an option:

- I believe the prostitution I've seen in casinos is sponsored and/or sanctioned by the casino.

Because that's really the issue here. Take away the above premise and the poll is really more of a "Do you believe prostitution exists, and if so how prevalent do you think it is?" question.

Great, fun topic. One of my favorite stories is about the hooker that approached me one morning in Cearsars Palace at about 7AM. My wife wanted to know how I knew she was a working girl since we never got to discussing business. I replied, a drop dead gorgeous early 20 something sat down next to me and struck up a conversation! Of course she was working!

When you see a totally ugly dude with two smoking hot chicks that are both all over him as he walks by, that says more for his bankroll than seeing a rail full of black chips.

A dealer once commented on a scene that looked like that. He said, "you know what I say when I see something like that?" And I say "what?" And he says, "that guy has a lot of money!"

ALL casinos become magnets for various forms of the sex trade.

Young attractive women who lose money often decide upon adventuresome ways to replenish their bank accounts.

Women who are already "working" gravitate to casinos on the Willie Sutton theory because not only is that where the money is but that is where the men are, particularly the men most likely to be paying for sex. (Alcohol, bravado, celebration).

Female compulsive gamblers who run into trouble with the rent or the mortgage payments often turn to desperate measures.

Even upscale casinos often do nothing more than try to keep the ladies upscale. (Better dressed, higher prices, less aggressive).

Any hotel operator knows its convention business will suffer if it is too aggressive about keeping out the hookers. Steve Wynn made headlines when he headlocked a hooker who had propositioned him and called out to the doorman so it tends to be discouraged at the Wynn but it sure takes place. Its the cheap hookers they want out. The ones who make their pitch too soon and too blatantly.

This is a very interesting topic. The casino absolutely sells sex in the casino. My local casino has girls dancing in bikinis all over the place on the weekends. How many strip clubs are there in LV and AC? Never been but I would guess a lot.

As far as actual hookers... in Turning Stone, Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods, yes I have seen it in all 3. Not to say I see it every visit, but even sitting at a 10 dollar blackjack table I've had girls come up to me and grab my leg. I've wisely shooed them along. I've seen them be even more forward, especially on Friday Nights with bachelor parties around. Do I think these girls have anything to do with the casino? no.

Quote: FleaStiff

Any hotel operator knows its convention business will suffer if it is too aggressive about keeping out the hookers. Steve Wynn made headlines when he headlocked a hooker who had propositioned him and called out to the doorman so it tends to be discouraged at the Wynn but it sure takes place. Its the cheap hookers they want out. The ones who make their pitch too soon and too blatantly.

Reminds me of one of the "breakout" charachters in the book "Super Casino." Hooker moves to Vegas, starts working the casinos instead of the streets. Eventually, bartender comes over to her and says, "hey..........."

He explained that, "you don't see me going customer to customer asking for tips, so don't walk around my bar hustling your service." He added that low-key was the thing, just converse and see where it goes. And he mentioned his end was $20, in return for pointing out who undercover security was. She found that by slipping almost any bartender the same $20 she got the same service, all over town with few exceptions.

Fact is, a few classy hookers are probably good for business. Just no aggressive solicitation of business to drive off customers who are there for drinks.

I have personally seen standing doggie-style in the Palms parking lot between a working girl and her john. At Palms at midnight on Friday or Saturday night, prolly 5% of the girls are working. And they are absolutely beautiful.

Quote: timberjim

Great, fun topic. One of my favorite stories is about the hooker that approached me one morning in Cearsars Palace at about 7AM. My wife wanted to know how I knew she was a working girl since we never got to discussing business. I replied, a drop dead gorgeous early 20 something sat done next to me and struck up a conversation! Of course she was working!

Yes, on 2 different occasions my wife was oblivious to the hookers we encountered at The Venetian. One time on The Venetian's elevator, 3 hookers were discussing the client they were about to visit. The other passenger on the elevator (a guy) knew exactly what they were discussing, but my wife was clueless.

On the other hand, Vegas is full of beautiful young women wearing revealing clothing and the vast majority of these women are NOT prostitutes. Most of them are just girls heading out to the Vegas nightclubs with their friends for a wild night of dancing and drinking.

How do I know who's working and who's not? I'm no George Clooney, so if a beautiful scantily clad woman at a casino makes eye contact with me using the same suggestive facial expression I normally only see at a strip club, she's probably just interested in my wallet.

FWIW, I've never seen any prostitutes at the Lake Tahoe casinos. In Reno, I've only seen them at Eldorado and Circus Circus (never at the Peppermill, which is where I would expect to see them.) Has anyone seen prostitutes at Indian casinos or riverboats? The Wizard mentioned seeing scores of them in Macau, so I'm curious if prostitution is more or less common in other gambling jurisdictions besides Vegas.

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

The casino absolutely sells sex in the casino.

How much does it cost? What do you get? Can you break down the particulars?

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

My local casino has girls dancing in bikinis all over the place on the weekends.

This may just be a matter of semantics but unless someone is having sex with these casino employees the casino is not selling sex. They may be using sexual imagery or visuals to sell the "hey, isn't this place fun?" vibe but that's a far cry from the casino selling sex.

Does a desperate housewife who's drunk and flat broke propositioning me in Paris for a couple of hundred count as being solicited?

My husband was offered 'entertainment' at the Cosmopolitan while he was playing the slots alone after a conference.

A woman tried to enter my room at the Venetian at 3 am or so. I told her "wrong room" and she went on her way. She wasn't drunk, but she was sparkly like the one in Rain Man.

Twice I've had young guys come and sit at the seat next to me in a virtually empty casino in the wee hours. I will assume one of them was being honest when he said he just wanted someone to talk to (evidently all his friends had gone to bed for the night) but the other may have been waiting for me to approach him, and that wasn't gonna happen.

You cannot sit at Bugsy's Bar or the bar back by the sports book at Flamingo as a single (alone) guy after 10PM and not have a working girl come up to you. If you drink more than 2 beers, you will see numerous deals made.

"The Sports Bar" at Mirage sees plenty of action

Sit at the Vesper bar in Cosmopolitan in the evening. You will see plenty of deals go down. The bar even has a little spice jar labeled "Hooker Repellent" that they place in front of working girls who are too obvious/skanky or who aren't ordering drinks (or at least having drinks bought for them).

You also get to watch the freak parade going to Marquee.

Last week I was walking from the Wynn to the Encore in the wee hours of a Wednesday night. As I entered the walkway between the two properties, a couple of smoking hot black girls followed me and started their pitch. I explained that I was going to play blackjack. The leader quietly indicated that I should consider "investing in some ass" instead. I declined, at which point she mocked my "Target pants". I explained that they were Lucky jeans, from a designer shop known as amazon.com. She demanded to see the message on the inside of the fly ("Lucky You"). I sped away. But if one was to invest in some ass, one could certainly do a lot worse than those two.

Last time I was in Vegas a couple of black girls shouted out to me as I was walking by IP "hey grandpa want a date?" I laughed that's not a great marketing ploy to a man LOL

I have been approached more than once. I do not condone. I do not partake.

To Reno's post:

The young ladies that frequent Vegas should consider dressing more conservatively lest they be mistaken for prostitutes. It is possible to dress conservatively and still be, "Sexy."

Quote: MonkeyMonkey

Because some will undoubtedly not be familiar with the other thread in question, I'd like to recap.
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If this is the premise that launched the discussion, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, then I believe your poll is missing an option:

- I believe the prostitution I've seen in casinos is sponsored and/or sanctioned by the casino.

Because that's really the issue here. Take away the above premise and the poll is really more of a "Do you believe prostitution exists, and if so how prevalent do you think it is?" question.

You have correctly captured the premise of the poll, however, I am not going so far as to say the casino sponsors, nor sanctions, it.
In the casinos I have seen it, believe the casino 'tolerates' it, and to me, this is way different than a sanction and even further away from a sponsorship.

I am also not asking if people believe it exists, as that would not be powers of observation. I am truly asking if people have seen something with their own eyes.
My response to you in the other thread may have been a bit too aggressive, as I seem to have touched more of a nerve than I intended. I guess it is possible for a dealer to work in a casino that does not tolerate hookers, or if they do, they have driven it so low key as to not be noticeable. And, if a dealer is not interested in the activity, or is offended by it, I suppose the dealer could manage to tune it out. But, even if a dealer does not condone it, if they are aware that it is on the casino floor, to say that sex does not exist in the casino, I feel, is not being completely honest. IMO, YMMV.

Perhaps I should have asked in what percentage of all of the casinos you have visited, have you seen what you took to be a hooker making a deal? That might be a better poll.

Quote: NickyDim

Does a desperate housewife who's drunk and flat broke propositioning me in Paris for a couple of hundred count as being solicited?

Sadly, yes.

A girl's gotta do ...

EDIT: I should state that I play craps from 9 PM to 5 AM a lot of the time. So I am in prime time for this activity I would assume.

The first time I was approached in Vegas, a male friend and I were walking to the elevators to go up to our rooms. I had just hit the craps table for a 2K win, and we were discussing it a bit too loudly for 2 AM. 2 girls fell in right behind us, boarded the same elevator car, and as my friend pressed his floor, and I pressed mine, the girls selected the top floor. A conversation ensued, with the girls asking my friend if he wanted to 'party'. His No answer was enough. I had to ride two more floors but they never asked me. WTH! I guess they figured if I was interested I would have said something to them.

The next time I was in Vegas walking through the slot area on the way to play craps about midnight, and this striking, 20ish blond in an orange mini dress asked me for the time, and then where was I headed. When I said craps, she replied that she loved to play, and would I like some company. I said no. I counted this as an encounter. Do I know for a fact she was hooking? No. But I was late 40s, and not much hair on top. More fatherly type than pick up material.

When I got to the craps tables I was bragging about getting hit on. I had been playing with these dealers, and they remembered me from earlier. He laughed, and then told me to keep an eye out for a 6' blond that would be coming through the slots any minute now. Sure enough, man was she smoking hot. Unfortunately, that last sentence rang way more true than I realized. The box and the dealers all had a great laugh. Maybe all the dealers didn't know about it, but that crew sure did.

I am playing craps at another non Nevada casino, and a guy late 50s or so is playing with a rack full of black and green. A late 20s lady slides into the spot next to him, and asks for help on where to play her money. They played and talked for the next 30 minutes or so, when they guy turns and says, Do you want to go up to my room? I was on the other side of the stick, and heard it plain as day. She said sure, and off they went. I was at that table until 5:00 AM. He did not come back.

I was playing craps, non Nevada, and a pretty decent blond slides in next to me. I had about 2k in my rack ( and her rack wasn't bad either. RIM SHOT). She makes a bet or 2 but is mostly chatting me up. I say something about St. Marteen, and she asks if I am making reference to Orient Beach. I say I am. I then say that I just can't convince my wife to go. I turn to make some bets, and when I turn back around, she had vanished. I wonder what I said? LOL I think I get to count this one too.

Damn, I've never been propositioned once, and im in Reno casinos every weekend!
Apparently I just look too young and poor...lol

It seems to me there is an unspoken agreement between the casinos and working girls that as long as they dress normally and aren't too aggressive then they turn a blind eye to it.

Quote: TIMSPEED

Apparently I just look too young and poor...lol

I look too much like a cop, people tell me, so that's a problem getting propositions, and also finding a bookie. [g]

Probably every trip to Caesars when I am playing VP in the high limit room I am approached in one way or another.

I have never seen any security or a slot person ever approach one of these gals. And they aren't gambling either. They just make their rounds and even take a seat next to you to strike up a conversation.

Since I was quoted as part of the source for this poll,
I will just add that I was not referring only to prostitution or full physical sex.
The possibility of sex is strongly appealing, as is the sexualization of cocktail waitresses and party pit dealers.
Not to mention burlesque shows and other forms of risque' entertainment.
turning a blind eye to illegal solicitation may not be explicitly illegal,
but it is immoral by the standard of most women and many men in the US.
It defines complicity on the part of the casinos, in my opinion.
And if you want to see them take an active role, put a half million in the cage,
then call your host and tell him you need a date.
Wait till you see how fast someone knocks on your door.

Some visitors to Las Vegas engage in the sport of Hooker Spotting. Its as if visitors expect to see hookers in a casino, particularly in the bar areas. Yes, men who are at least temporarily detached from a spouse will be approached. Elsewhere many of these men would be invisible to young attractive females but in Vegas a man is measured by the size of his wallet and a woman is measured by the size of her breasts.

Sure Metro occasionally sends females into casinos to troll for Johns and casinos occasionally invite Metro in to sweep hookers away when things get out of hand but generally prostitution is tolerated because it is so good for business.

Quote: Mission146

It is possible to dress conservatively and still be, "Sexy."

Yes, and frankly I prefer the boudoir photos in a Victoria's Secret catalogue to the gynecological exam photos in Hustler magazine.

I find the Victoria's Secret catalogue lewd, many of the lingerie pieces are see-through.

Quote: Mission146

I find the Victoria's Secret catalogue lewd, many of the lingerie pieces are see-through.

Pretty conservative dude.

I am sexually conservative, correct. I consider our society over-sexed and I think it has a negative inflluence on children. However, outfits that are relatively conservatively sexy are fine with me. For example, I have been watching Star Trek Voyager on Netflix recently, and Seven of Nine's outfit is a good example of something that would be right on the line between appropriate and inappropriate in my opinion.

Mathematicians may disagree, but I also consider her the only way to successfully combine Seven and Nine with a result of a Perfect Ten!

Well the VS cataloge is theoretically aimed at women, no? And if women want to wear revealing underwear with their husbands I don't see how this is lewd.

Sexually conservative?
Is that like wildly boring?

Sorry...does not compute.

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I consider our society over-sexed and I think it has a negative inflluence on children.

A far less negative influence compared to drugs and violence. Sex is natural, and humans are inquisitive and it's society that's hung up. 300 years ago your daughter would be married by 14. Even 100 years ago it was common for a 16 year old to get married. What is over-sexed and who determines it?

Quote: Mission146

I find the Victoria's Secret catalogue lewd, many of the lingerie pieces are see-through.

That is its purpose. Las Vegas Weekly usually sends Rick Sax to the annual Lingerie Show and he does a video of it.
Even though a good many girls no longer wear panties there has been a boom in various lingerie sales. As to what women wear to bed these days, most will simply reply "Cologne".

Quote: NickyDim

A far less negative influence compared to drugs and violence. Sex is natural

I think our society is too sexually repressed actually...

Quote: Mission146

I find the Victoria's Secret catalogue lewd, many of the lingerie pieces are see-through.

How dare you talk about the ladies of my Harem that way! ;p

Quote: NickyDim

A far less negative influence compared to drugs and violence. Sex is natural, and humans are inquisitive and it's society that's hung up. 300 years ago your daughter would be married by 14. Even 100 years ago it was common for a 16 year old to get married. What is over-sexed and who determines it?

I believe that our society is exposed to too much drugs and violence in the Media.

Quote: WongBo

Sexually conservative?
Is that like wildly boring?

Sorry...does not compute.

Some would say that I am unadventurous.

Saw two working girls get arrested around 3am on the second floor (right by high limit) of Horseshoe Cleveland maybe a month ago.

It is Cleveland, so there are definitely better looking girls in the world then these two hookers, but I would not have kicked them out of bed for eating crackers.

I also felt like a rock star choosing which groupie he wants after a nice win at MGM the day the lion attacked his handler back in 2010, unfortunately for the girls, and (maybe) my penis, I was sober enough to know why I was so "Hot."

I was at the Trop in AC one time, leaving late at night with another male friend. We were riding down an escalator on our way out and two working girls were being escorted out by security. They were loudly denying being prostitutes the whole time. We get to the exit doors. My friend and I hold the doors for the ladies and the security guys. The girls are deposited on the sidewalk. Security guys hover outside to make sure girls leave. As my buddy and I are walking away, the "innocent" girls proposition us. Security guys still no more than 15-20 feet away.

Quote: Mission146

I believe that our society is exposed to too much drugs and violence in the Media.

I do too. Overexposure to sex as a bad influence would come in a distant 3rd.

I've never seen anyone I thought to be a prostitute. I usually end up going at either Bluehair O'Clock or the wee hours, though, not so much the evening, and I play mainly 4/8, with a smattering of micro slots and VP/VBJ, 2/4, and $5 tables, so that might be it. What I do see is drunk girls flashing, but if they're looking for a john, the poor things need some marketing lessons.

I know of friends that have been propositioned, but I've only seen someone who I thought was hooking once at Planet Hollywood late in the evening, striking up conversations with random people at the slot machines. Then again, until someone pointed it out to me, I was oblivious to the hookers on a local boulevard until I was 21 years old. I just kind of ignored them as I was driving by, but then I realized that they were dressed rather inappropriately (wearing heels, for instance) for walking on a summer day.

Quote: 24Bingo

at Bluehair O'Clock.

??? Three pm when all the little old ladies board the bus back to the retirement home????

Before that, when they haven't yet taken that bus. When I can make it, I'll take the day bus, so I don't have to worry about alcohol.

Quote: WongBo

Since I was quoted as part of the source for this poll,
I will just add that I was not referring only to prostitution or full physical sex.

Since all you said was 'sex' I took that to mean... sex. What a weird conclusion to jump to.

Quote: WongBo

The possibility of sex is strongly appealing, as is the sexualization of cocktail waitresses and party pit dealers.

So, tight or revealing outfits are 'sex'. Interesting perspective. And apparently the presence of this 'sex' is immoral on the part of the casino because some guys might think they have some kind of chance of getting actual sex... did I get that right? While I can imagine some guys might have such a belief I think it's wildly unlikely to occur and in any event the casino is still not providing sex, just a nice view.

Quote: WongBo

Not to mention burlesque shows and other forms of risque' entertainment.

Are these sex too? Your opinions on this are making me feel as if I've been wantonly promiscuous. I've view risque entertainment on more than one occasion and didn't feel that I had sex. I stand corrected, apparently.

Quote: WongBo

turning a blind eye to illegal solicitation may not be explicitly illegal,
but it is immoral by the standard of most women and many men in the US.
It defines complicity on the part of the casinos, in my opinion.

This is a lot like cutting someone off from alcohol. Without a blood or breathe test it's a bit of a guess as to how intoxicated someone is unless they are exhibiting blatant behaviors. Same with all this solicitation that's apparently going on. Unless someone complains or the prostitute in question propositions a member of the staff how would the casino even know, unless it was over the top blatant? The answer is they wouldn't, so they wouldn't exactly be turning a blind eye.

I'm a little surprised you'd use an argument like ' immoral by the standard of most women and many men in the US' to make your point. There are a lot of activities that people engage in that many find immoral, surely they can't all be right... can they? :)

Quote: WongBo

And if you want to see them take an active role, put a half million in the cage,
then call your host and tell him you need a date.
Wait till you see how fast someone knocks on your door.

Do you know this from first hand experience (i.e. that time you ordered a hooker?) or do you have some other compelling source you'd like to share? If the former, please feel free to regale us with your adventure, if the latter, make sure it's not a one-off news story, it should comprehensibly show this pattern that you assert exists is prevalent in the gaming industry.

Cut it.
Ain't no way a casino needs a breathalyzer to cut someone off and ain't no way a casino needs to prove an offer of commercial sex. Sure some cops on the strip have made mistakes and accosted slutty-dressed tourists as if they were local hookers, sure some of the sexiest women are the ones who dress as hookers but are not hookers. Sometimes a casino will simply have someone from security stand right by a suspected hooker which so "disturbs the fishing" that the bait gets up and leaves.

That is why licensed premises are given wide leeway. Bars can simply say "out" and don't have to prove you are drunk. Also bars can simply say "out" to would-be hookers. Its the same way with casinos.

Often its fun to go to a major casino after Metro Vice have rounded up a good number of women. The ignorant hookers who show up the next night may not notice a stark absence of fellow hookers but once you point that out to them, they skedaddle but quick.

I don't know any casino that outfits its cocktail waitresses in Burkas. Indeed CWs are sometimes referred to as Fives... a Pair and a Tray(Trey). Benny Binion used to have a chart on the wall showing what girls had to measure up to in order to get prime shifts. And even in a regular pit, BJ dealers often are well endowed. Certainly in a Party Pit they have to be well endowed and well displayed too.
A sexualized atmosphere is part of the "buzz". Perfume and pheromones are no more pumped into a casino than oxygen is, but that doesn't mean they are not present. You ever see a staged casino photo that doesn't show plenty of dynamite looking broads being ecstatic?

Monkey, here's a little friendly advice if you want someone to actually read your post
Try to keep your condescending know it all seen it all attitude in check.
maybe I will go back and actually read what else you wrote,
But just a casual skim tells me it's got a lot of sarcastic attitude that looks like a waste of time.

Whatever, just because you haven't seen things in your world
does not mean that they do not exist and
just because I have seen them in mine doesn't mean they exist everywhere.
But I think just looking at the results of this poll indicates that many people here have witnessed
The casinos turning a blind eye to an awful lot of shady behavior.
If you think you work for some noble entertainment industry then thats a delusion I cannot hope to dispel.

And yes, I have first hand knowledge of a casino host facilitating the procurement of escort services.