Amazing Casino Card Collection: 1000+ Single Cards from 250+ Different Casinos
I originally obtained this collection to help with my efforts at understanding "edge sorting" and the full scope of its vulnerability. When I worked with Phil Ivey as his expert witness, this collection was used to make the case to the judge of just how pervasive the problem of asymmetric cards is. Look up any of my articles on 888 (A.P. Heat) or YouTube videos on "edge sorting" and you are likely to see cards from this collection.
This collection consists of individual cards from hundreds of different casinos. Many of the cards are from casinos that no longer exist. Many of the casinos use cards that have a different design than the card in this collection. All of the cards are in used condition.
I just want this collection to find a good home with a collector who will appreciate what this is. I hope the pictures give a fair idea of what you're buying here.
Happy bidding.
http://ebay.us/9ONSIL
Quote: teliotI retired from the casino business in 2017 and am finally disposing of various casino items I acquired. I purchased two lots of a collection of 700+ unique playing cards from a collector I met at the annual conference of the "Casino Chip and Collectible Show" back in about 2011, where I was a keynote speaker. This item is the totality of the collection.
I originally obtained this collection to help with my efforts at understanding "edge sorting" and the full scope of its vulnerability. When I worked with Phil Ivey as his expert witness, this collection was used to make the case to the judge of just how pervasive the problem of asymmetric cards is. Look up any of my articles on 888 (A.P. Heat) or YouTube videos on "edge sorting" and you are likely to see cards from this collection.
This collection consists of individual cards from hundreds of different casinos. Many of the cards are from casinos that no longer exist. Many of the casinos use cards that have a different design than the card in this collection. All of the cards are in used condition.
I just want this collection to find a good home with a collector who will appreciate what this is. I hope the pictures give a fair idea of what you're buying here.
Happy bidding.
http://ebay.us/9ONSIL
That would make a pretty great ManCave wall. Good luck with it!
Just to clarify, re- your 50 decks ebay item in the other thread. You said those decks are unverified - this collection did not grow by any of those others, if I understand you correctly. Just wondered, because I'm bidding on those, but don't have a ManCave for these.
shipping? That would be half
the shipping cost you're asking
for.
These are entirely separate collections. I got the decks one at a time. I got the single cards in two purchases of about individual 700 cards each.Quote: beachbumbabsThat would make a pretty great ManCave wall. Good luck with it!
Just to clarify, re- your 50 decks ebay item in the other thread. You said those decks are unverified - this collection did not grow by any of those others, if I understand you correctly. Just wondered, because I'm bidding on those, but don't have a ManCave for these.
Over the years I have definitely opened and showed a few of the 50 decks in my seminars. I used some of the decks to demonstrate various issues and techniques. I just can't remember which ones and I can't guarantee I got all the cards back into the box when I collected them. Hence a couple of extra decks should make it square. If I was a gambling person, I'd say 48+ out of the 50 are perfect, and maybe a couple are missing a card.
Quote: GWAEAm I allowed to use the forum as my own personal Ebay/craigslist as well?
Nobody wants to buy your kids GWAE 🤣
No. It's not "media" so sending it that way would entail committing fraud.Quote: EvenBobCould I get regular media mail shipping?.
https://www.stamps.com/usps/media-mail/
"Media Mail is a cost-effective way to send media materials through the U.S. Postal Service. You can send books, videotapes, DVDs, CDs, printed music and other sound recordings through Media Mail as long as they weigh less than 70 pounds."
Quote: teliotNo. It's not "media" so sending it that way would entail committing fraud.
https://www.stamps.com/usps/media-mail/
"Media Mail is a cost-effective way to send media materials through the U.S. Postal Service. You can send books, videotapes, DVDs, CDs, printed music and other sound recordings through Media Mail as long as they weigh less than 70 pounds."
Many ebayers get around that regulation by including a sheet of music in the package. That technically means you are sending the sheet music and using the playing cards as packing material. Media mail stinks, as it is subject to being opened anywhere along the way and PO employees aren't the best at resealing them. I've been fighting that for years.
A good alternative is to ship using Fed Ex Smart Post, but that involves the seller going to a Fed Ex office. For priority mail, the PO will come to you to pick it up.
Many ebayers commit mail fraud? What a surprise. :)Quote: billryanMany ebayers get around that regulation by including a sheet of music in the package.
If I was seriously invested in ebay as a source of income, I would surely investigate alternatives. As it is, I'm just trying to dispose of corporate asserts that are cluttering my storage space.
Thanks & kind regards.
Quote: teliotMany ebayers commit mail fraud? What a surprise. :)
If I was seriously invested in ebay as a source of income, I would surely investigate alternatives. As it is, I'm just trying to dispose of corporate asserts that are cluttering my storage space.
Thanks & kind regards.
It isn't mail fraud. It is using the USPS's own rules to the letter of the law. Some argue that once something is eligible for media mail, you can include other items with it.
I don't subscribe to that, but some Post Offices accept it, others don't. I'm a comic book dealer. Postal regulations say a comic book that has advertising in it is not eligible for media mail, but one that doesn't contain advertising is. Can you tell if a comic book has ads or not?
Okay -- well, you clearly have a lot more experience with media mail than do I. Regardless, sending a box of playing cards and pretending they are packaging material by including a single piece of sheet music is so obviously over the line, not to mention a waste of my time, that I am not going to even consider it.Quote: billryanIt isn't mail fraud. It is using the USPS's own rules to the letter of the law. Some argue that once something is eligible for media mail, you can include other items with it.
I don't subscribe to that, but some Post Offices accept it, others don't. I'm a comic book dealer. Postal regulations say a comic book that has advertising in it is not eligible for media mail, but one that doesn't contain advertising is. Can you tell if a comic book has ads or not?
I would say that if the item being sent is primarily a media item, then I would feel comfortable with a little bit of fudging (like your comic book ad scenario). But this item is in no way a media item.
Nothing is ever simple around here.
Quote: teliotOkay -- well, you clearly have a lot more experience with media mail than do I. Regardless, sending a box of playing cards and pretending they are packaging material by including a single piece of sheet music is so obviously over the line, not to mention a waste of my time, that I am not going to even consider it.
I would say that if the item being sent is primarily a media item, then I would feel comfortable with a little bit of fudging (like your comic book ad scenario). But this item is in no way a media item.
I agree with you 100%. I occasionally use media mail but try to err on the side of maybe not using it in cases that might get away with it. Media mail saves shippers lots of money, which tends to lead to abuses. A simple solution would be to have people bring media mail to the PO unsealed for inspection. They do that with mail for the visually impaired.
Will you combine shipping if someone wins both auctions?
These will make great displays.
Quote: billryanIt isn't mail fraud. It is using the USPS's own rules to the letter of the law. Some argue that once something is eligible for media mail, you can include other items with it.
I don't subscribe to that, but some Post Offices accept it, others don't. I'm a comic book dealer. Postal regulations say a comic book that has advertising in it is not eligible for media mail, but one that doesn't contain advertising is. Can you tell if a comic book has ads or not?
What if the comic book is from the 70's and none of the adds are legit anymore?
I like the idea of having a playing card from so many casinos, just not exactly sure what I would do with them other than try and collect more and more. Seems like it could be never ending.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13What if the comic book is from the 70's and none of the adds are legit anymore?
I like the idea of having a playing card from so many casinos, just not exactly sure what I would do with them other than try and collect more and more. Seems like it could be never ending.
ZCore13
That is actually an outstanding question and one that has yet to be answered. A group I was involved with sent a letter to the Post Office asking to clarify that and got no response. The practical answer is that it makes no sense to send expensive books via media mail as they may be opened and examined. I currently own hundreds of decks of used casino cards. Never thought about selling them individually like this.
Quote: billryanMany ebayers get around that regulation by including a sheet of music in the package. That technically means you are sending the sheet music and using the playing cards as packing material. Media mail stinks, as it is subject to being opened anywhere along the way and PO employees aren't the best at resealing them. I've been fighting that for years.
A good alternative is to ship using Fed Ex Smart Post, but that involves the seller going to a Fed Ex office. For priority mail, the PO will come to you to pick it up.
2001 I had a website that sold coupons. Not casino coupons, regular coupons like tide. They were free but you had to buy the envelope from me. Envelopes were $2.50 and you could put up to 25 coupons in each. Coupons are illegal to sell but not illegal to give away.
