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Ayecarumba
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September 1st, 2016 at 1:51:03 PM permalink
If you are on the highway, and aren't going faster than the traffic in the lane to your right... move over and let folks pass. I don't care if you are already 15 over the posted speed limit; if you only want to go as fast as the traffic in the lane on your right, move over so others don't have to change lanes to pass you.

It is my observation that fast lane folks who have to change lanes in order to pass a slower driver who refuses to yield, actually slow everybody behind them. The passing driver changing lanes causes a chain of brake lights as driver's behind have to re-adjust their following distances. Whenever there is this kind of unexpected slowing, there is the potential for an accident. Therefore, to me, the driver who refuses to move over is actually more dangerous than the driver who wants to go fast, because they are the cause of other drivers taking unnecessary risks. Do you agree?
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September 1st, 2016 at 2:05:32 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

If you are on the highway, and aren't going faster than the traffic in the lane to your right... move over and let folks pass. I don't care if you are already 15 over the posted speed limit; if you only want to go as fast as the traffic in the lane on your right, move over so others don't have to change lanes to pass you.

It is my observation that fast lane folks who have to change lanes in order to pass a slower driver who refuses to yield, actually slow everybody behind them. The passing driver changing lanes causes a chain of brake lights as driver's behind have to re-adjust their following distances. Whenever there is this kind of unexpected slowing, there is the potential for an accident. Therefore, to me, the driver who refuses to move over is actually more dangerous than the driver who wants to go fast, because they are the cause of other drivers taking unnecessary risks. Do you agree?



I completely agree. It's a pet peeve of mine. Makes me crazy when some self-righteous bugger in the left lane makes people pass on the right when they could move over. Or sits there parallel to another car, blocking anyone else from getting by either lane (traffic ' s not bumper to bumper, they just don't want to speed up OR slow down enough to get in line with the other car, so they run a rolling roadblock).

I'm more patient with it than a lot of people I see taking crazy chances and cutting other people off just to get around them. But it's still a pain.

I think of highway driving like a river. Go with the flow, no matter the speed. Don't be a rock the water has to find a way around. Accelerate during a pass, then settle back down. There's no cop who will ticket you for making a safe pass, even above the speed limit. They WILL ticket you in many states, though, for blocking the fast lane like that.
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September 1st, 2016 at 2:33:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

the driver who refuses to move over is actually more dangerous than the driver who wants to go fast, because they are the cause of other drivers taking unnecessary risks. Do you agree?

Yes, indeed. I don't see the comfort they have travelling in blind spots and loitering at what they feel is road speed but is not necessarily lane speed.

Eons ago I had an acquaintance who was doing sixty five in the right lane of a California freeway and was pulled over and told, if you can't drive freeway speeds get off the freeway. Obviously laws in Los Angeles have changed since then, but the principle is the same.

Its the same thing with people who want to make a right turn but can't slow down in advance of it and move into that short right turn lane, they insist on braking in the right hand traffic lane and turning across the empty right hand turn lane. What do they think its there for?

It is indeed known as 'traffic flow' for a reason.
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September 1st, 2016 at 2:45:22 PM permalink
I agree. In Colorado, the left lane is a passing lane, by law. In other states, such as California, it is just a fast lane with no passing requirement, so people just stay on the left.
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September 1st, 2016 at 2:53:42 PM permalink
In NY, driving in the right will make large and completely necessary assemblies fall off your vehicle.

Right shoulder - where you sit when broken down.
Right lane - what caused you to break down.
Left lane - where driving happens.
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Gandler
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September 1st, 2016 at 4:22:33 PM permalink
In NJ the far left lane (or the left lane on just 2 lane highways) is for passing only. Many states do not have this law, and people just ride in whatever lane they feel like. I am a pretty patient driver, so it does not matter that much to me personally in everyday driving.

However, I do do a lot of very long drives (12 plus hours) and when you are driving 700-900 miles, every MPH matters, so when you are trying to pass somebody and somebody just sits in the left lane at a non-passing speed it can mess up your predicted times. I try to be courteous and quickly move over to allow those at faster cruises to pass, so I do get irritated when others do not extend me the same courtesy. Really I only care if somebody just hogs the left lane for long periods of time and it messes up my cruise settings for long periods of time.... (in the south especially, people will just lane sit for long periods of time).
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September 1st, 2016 at 4:47:43 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I completely agree. It's a pet peeve of mine. Makes me crazy when some self-righteous bugger in the left lane makes people pass on the right when they could move over.



I like to make them pass me, and THEN move to the right.
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September 1st, 2016 at 8:39:40 PM permalink
I set my cruise control at 70 in the 3rd lane. Too slow to pull over (I'm not black), Im far enough over so that truck traffic and mergers don't impede. And there's still the fast lane for the people who think they drive race cars.
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MathExtremist
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September 1st, 2016 at 8:59:17 PM permalink
I heard a recent radio story that driving 5mph slower than the average traffic speed causes worse congestion and many more accidents than driving 5mph faster, even though you'd instinctively think the opposite. "Speed Limit" always means the *upper* limit, even though it's perfectly reasonable to put a lower limit on traffic as well -- but who's ever gotten a "going too slow" ticket?

Driverless cars will save *billions* of years annually in lost productivity (and probably hundreds of billions of dollars) if all they do is help alleviate rush hour traffic by speed-matching nearby vehicles and creating a smooth flow.

I've also read that late merging is more efficient system-wide than early merging. This is just another one of those topics where human intuition fails and mathematics is the better tool for the job.
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September 1st, 2016 at 9:18:49 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I heard a recent radio story that driving 5mph slower than the average traffic speed causes worse congestion and many more accidents than driving 5mph faster, even though you'd instinctively think the opposite. "Speed Limit" always means the *upper* limit, even though it's perfectly reasonable to put a lower limit on traffic as well -- but who's ever gotten a "going too slow" ticket?

Driverless cars will save *billions* of years annually in lost productivity (and probably hundreds of billions of dollars) if all they do is help alleviate rush hour traffic by speed-matching nearby vehicles and creating a smooth flow.

I've also read that late merging is more efficient system-wide than early merging. This is just another one of those topics where human intuition fails and mathematics is the better tool for the job.



I heard that late-merging thing, too, and I'd have to see the study to believe it. It appears that the clods running to the head past those already formed in the merge is the reason the thru lane is slow/stopped. Logic says to me, that if they weren't impeding the bottleneck, there wouldn't be one, just a single line of cars (assuming 2 lanes merging to 1) going the construction speed limit. So, counterintuitive is the politest way of putting it.

I could be wrong. Which is why I'd like to see the study.
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