lilredrooster
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July 20th, 2016 at 3:00:13 AM permalink
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Whereas OP has the ability to control the dice when he is shooting; only it's his lack of patience when others are rolling that is keeping him from winning the multi-millions of dollars anyone who could control dice with even a 1% edge could expect?



Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of blackjack APs have about a 1% edge or slightly more and do not win "multi-millions." And it's not just because of casino countermeasures and barrings. The same is true of sports bettors, the best of whom can maybe get about a 4% edge. It just doesn't work like that. There is an unwritten law re gambling as an AP. The law is this: it's not too hard to make a little money or even a medium size amount. But it's really, really hard to make big money and very few do.
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July 20th, 2016 at 3:55:05 AM permalink
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Another blackjack legend, Stanford Wong (wonging it) believed dice control is feasible and wrote a book about it, "Wong on Dice."

I believe he was a believer of DI until later. I don't believe he in nowadays. He backtracked quit a bit. I don't know if he will say it's not possible people would want a refund and possible tarnish his reputation. Most logical people realize if it's possible there's serious money to be won. Heat is minimal.

If anyone reputable here who has skill or know someone who does(AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR MOTH SHUT), and they have money.... willing to bet it, have them contact me. I have a legitimate situation that's mathematically significant +EV without DI ANY advantage from DI would really juice it up. (I'll consider making you a deal). But Axel why are you not playing it? I/we will be shortly.... it probably won't last long.

Don't bother trying to mine information from me, or come with some small bank roll and risk tolerance.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 20th, 2016 at 4:13:23 AM permalink
Once again, I don't recommend anybody try dice influencing. I think there are lots of better ways to get an edge. But to say it is impossible is not realistic. Human beings have shown themselves to be capable of so many amazing things; much more amazing than dice influencing.
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July 20th, 2016 at 4:24:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I believe he was a believer of DI until later. I don't believe he in nowadays. He backtracked quit a bit. I don't know if he will say it's not possible people would want a refund and possible tarnish his reputation.




You're putting words in Wong's mouth. To fantasize that he fears he will have to give out refunds is preposterous.
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August 10th, 2016 at 8:41:54 PM permalink
just quit he lives in plop city
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August 25th, 2016 at 9:36:10 AM permalink
We've had an energetic debate about whether or not dice influencing is feasible. Here is a BBC Documentary about the acclaimed dice influencer who is known as "Dominator." Of course, just because the BBC is standing behind this guy doesn't mean that all of the claims in this doc are valid. But BBC is a highly respected news source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oauoegutw_o
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August 25th, 2016 at 12:05:18 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

I am a math person.



Your previous post could have been construed as an insult to Romes, but I take exception to that assertion on behalf of all 'math people'

$:o)
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August 26th, 2016 at 2:54:54 AM permalink
The practice table very similar to the table shown in the BBC doc is available from Amazon through a 3rd part for a little over $100. I am tempted to buy it not so much to win money, I'm just very curious to see if I can do it.


https://www.amazon.com/Practice-Craps-Table/dp/B00NZ65S5S
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August 26th, 2016 at 5:36:33 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Here is a BBC Documentary



I remember seeing this ... in the "breaking Vegas" series that I am pretty sure is not BBC

stay tuned, checking this out

OK, this series, not to be confused with a book and movie of the same name, did get shown on the History Channel. Who was behind the production is not clear from what I have found on the internet. Thus I am fairly sure someone put this on youtube incorrectly crediting the BBC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Vegas
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