JoelDeze
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July 15th, 2016 at 10:05:18 AM permalink
My gripe today is related to casinos with limited craps tables. There is nothing more annoying than getting onto a table where a majority of people are tossing 7s left and right. Especially when they fling them like they are ice cubes at a frat party. What is even more annoying is when you leave that table to find another one, get on an open table, one by one all of the losers from the table you left are standing next to you again!!

Yes, they all followed each other one by one!

And, to top that off, they start complaining about how that other table was so horrible that they were happy they came to a better table. HULLOOOO!!! MCFLY!!!

This has been my week. Last week I had a nice +$4,100 week. This week I'm down quite a bit. Even if I hold my money and wait, the same loser people take their sweet arse time tossing the dice and making horrible wagers that I have to wait forever to get them.

The next closest casino is 2 hours away from me. The new one will be 30 min from me when it opens next summer (presumably). I really do envy those of you from Vegas because you probably don't have this problem at all with the number of casinos and tables you can go to.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
JoelDeze
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July 15th, 2016 at 10:15:39 AM permalink
I'd also like to add a "how to know you are a moron" comment as well.

Because I got to the new open table first, they let me roll the dice first. I roll 3 points and a bunch of numbers and start making some money again. However, I like a better spot on the table about 3 spots to my right. So, I move there after I roll out.

One by one, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7 from the same follow the losers and the dice come back to me. Some old geezer at the end of the table says, "Wait, how come he gets to roll the dice again? He just rolled it a little while ago!!"

I responded with one of my favorite Robin Williams quotes. I said, "Because no one here wants to continue riding on top of a psychotic horse that is heading straight towards a burning barn!"

Morons....
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
JoelDeze
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July 15th, 2016 at 10:18:52 AM permalink
Oh, and yeah, I'm not quite myself this week. I'm pretty grumpy. So, apologies in advance.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
Romes
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July 15th, 2016 at 11:05:27 AM permalink
So you think the table, people, or how you throw the dice have anything at all to do with the outcome...?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
JoelDeze
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July 15th, 2016 at 11:43:09 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

So you think the table, people, or how you throw the dice have anything at all to do with the outcome...?



Table.. No.
People.. Yes.
Dice.. Yes.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
Romes
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July 15th, 2016 at 11:44:20 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Table.. No.
People.. Yes.
Dice.. Yes.

Sorry to break it to you then, you're playing craps wrong.

Unless Johnny Loser on your left brings loaded dice in to the game, he's not affecting the random outcome of a random throw one bit. To think that he is would be just old fashion malarky.

It can make gambling more "fun" to have some superstitions to play along with. I even have some that are just for fun (and have nothing to do with the actual play), but when you get to the point of being really upset, which you state you were/are, then it's literally affecting your health in a negative EV way and purely not worth it because it's all in your head.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
JoelDeze
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July 15th, 2016 at 12:36:53 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Sorry to break it to you then, you're playing craps wrong.

Unless Johnny Loser on your left brings loaded dice in to the game, he's not affecting the random outcome of a random throw one bit. To think that he is would be just old fashion malarky.

It can make gambling more "fun" to have some superstitions to play along with. I even have some that are just for fun (and have nothing to do with the actual play), but when you get to the point of being really upset, which you state you were/are, then it's literally affecting your health in a negative EV way and purely not worth it because it's all in your head.



Maybe in the Romes world everyone loses over time. In my world, I have "never" lost over time. Your opinion is pure speculation. Why?

10 people are at a table.
Show me a 100,000+ dice roll test for each person.

The "fact" that you don't have the right data for each person in front of you clearly guides your opinion. The "fact" that you believe each person has the same randomly generated principles applied to them, without taking into account numerous advantages guides your meaningless opinion.

People that roll the same dice sets over and over again tend to hit a "random range of numbers" that are group biased. For me, those numbers are 3,4,6,8,9,12. I will hit these numbers far more often than I would ever hit a 7. And, likewise, when I watch a person that shows solid motion control that operates in a set, I pay attention to the types of numbers being rolled. I also pay attention to the count of rolls before a 7-out. If you genuinely believe that this is not possible then you are entitled to your "opinion". I'm not saying you have to believe me or not but don't ever assume that I'm playing craps wrong. Why? Because I'm winning. If you are losing at craps then continue playing your game. I'll play mine.

The people I'm complaining about are the ones that pick up the dice and roll them two feet before the wall (never hitting the wall) and rolling a 7. Anyone, with enough practice can roll "any number" without hitting an obstruction every single time. Don't believe me? Go YouTube it. I get away with a few of those types of rolls now and then but for the majority, get yelled at if I don't consistently hit the wall. Even then, I get away with hitting one dice against the wall and shorting another for a little while before getting yelled at again.

Your pseudo-random generators don't take into account any practiced philosophy of dice setting and throws. And, this particular post isn't even meant to discuss this particular topic.

Here's a factual piece of information for you to ponder.

About 3 weeks ago a black gentleman came to the table and he was close to 7 feet tall. I'm assuming he was a basketball player because he was tall and lean. He was left of stick. He could almost lean in and easily drop the dice with his motion. He was doing well until the dealers kept requesting that he not lean forward too much. This is just one "aspect advantage" that takes place on the table. There are many more.

But, keep on believing what you want. You are definitely entitled to your opinion.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
Ibeatyouraces
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July 15th, 2016 at 12:46:17 PM permalink
It's not opinion, it's fact.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Romes
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July 15th, 2016 at 1:07:39 PM permalink
Your argument is like saying "99 scientists believe in global warming, and 1 scientist doesn't... so you can't prove it does!" Same with your logic of "Just because you don't have 100,00 sample throws from 10 different people doesn't mean I'm not right!" Math and facts don't lie. The math shows other people have no affect. Logic shows this as well, but we rule that out because "logic" can be argued, whereas math cannot.

With what you're saying above, people tend to throw at "biased groups" of numbers. PLEASE EXPLAIN how this is possible with fair dice and random rolls? How can the guy to my left POSSIBLY be biased towards 4 if he has fair diced and random rolls? Because he wore a blue shirt today? What if he wore a red shirt? lol you're just talking in gibberish.

P.S. PLEASE do link to a video of someone being able to control a dice throw and hit the number they specify "CONSISTENTLY." Even I could make a video saying "8" then just simply try until I get an 8 and cut that in as the next throw... or make 1 uncut video (over and over and over) until I finally get it. Show me a video of someone saying "I'm going to throw twenty 8's in a row" then doing it. I won't hold my breath, because you can't, because no such video exists. No one who's ever believed in dice influence has ever shown a mathematical difference to a "random" roller in any kind of proof/video.

It is not me with "beliefs." I have math... Which is a factual correct answer. It's you who has "beliefs" such as the guy to your right is biased towards a group of numbers on a random throw. Please go wikipedia the word "random."
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Romes
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July 15th, 2016 at 1:46:50 PM permalink
Time for a Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Challenge

1) We meet in person... in Vegas, or wherever.
2) You will use a fictitious bankroll of 10,000 "units"
3) You will flat bet the pass line for 25,000 rolls. We would have to agree on an average time per roll as obviously time is of the essence, though I wouldn't want to "rush" you. So however fast you're willing to throw. This wager would likely take about 10 hours per day for about a week, pending how fast you throw... Though I'm willing to make it worth your time as I'm willing to wager just about any amount you want to put up. $10k? $25k? $50k? $10k is the minimum for a week of my time.
4) You can make 3-4-5 odds bets if you'd like.
5) You can play any other bets you'd like up to 5 units. Figuring your average bet at a real table being say $10, this would mean placing $50 on the 6 or 8, or $50 on a hard way, which is more than likely FAR MORE than you ever regularly do (5x, not $50). Even if you bet $50 normally, then this would be the same as dropping $250 on 6 or 8, or $250 on a hard way.
6) If you go broke, you lose. Should be nearly impossible to go broke if you're betting 1 "unit" out of a 10,000 "unit" bankroll... Less you want to play the other wagers a bunch. But hey, you never lose, so this shouldn't even be a concern.
7) We will get a mutually agreed 3rd party to play the roll of the PIT, for "no roll" calls, etc, and to also hold the money.
8) You are allowed to forfeit the bet at any time. If you do not throw within our agreed upon time (with the mutual judge deciding this to allow for emergencies/etc) to try to drag out the event, you lose.

9) If you win, I will make a video publicly shaming myself for not believing you, and denounce math as my champion. If you lose, you must make a video publicly shaming yourself for believing in voodoo and announcing math as the one true champion in the gambling world.

- If you're "really" serious about this I'm willing to make 6 figure wagers.
- For a guy who claims to NEVER lose I don't see how you wouldn't take this bet.
- After playing so much you "must" know your biased numbers?
- "Almost" anything you want, that doesn't affect the random outcome of the roll (which similar to a casino must hit the back wall). So bring all your NON-7-OUT friends to "stand around" the table and watch. With their "good luck" HOW CAN YOU LOSE?

I believe you can't beat the game. You believe you can. Put your money where your mouth is, or leave your beliefs be.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.

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