lilredrooster
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July 17th, 2016 at 5:26:21 AM permalink
I wouldn't recommend dice control or as a way to get an edge. I wouldn't try it myself. I think there are better ways to get an edge. But, as to anyone who thinks it's not possible to do this; I disagree with that. Blackjack Hall of Famer Peter Griffin (I'm pretty sure it was in his book "Extra Stuff Gambling Ramblings") said that he was also a disbeliever. And then an expert dice thrower gave him an extremely impressive demonstration and he would no longer say that it's not feasible. For those who don't know, Peter Griffin is a major contributor to blackjack literature. Unfortunately I lost this book but I would guess that some APs still have this book and can verify what I just said.
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
Ibeatyouraces
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July 17th, 2016 at 9:58:34 AM permalink
Unless he had a PhD in physics, his small sample size of what he witnessed is meaningless.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
lilredrooster
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July 17th, 2016 at 11:24:18 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Unless he had a PhD in physics, his small sample size of what he witnessed is meaningless.




He was a Professor of Mathematics at Cal State. I think he would have known if the sample size he witnessed was likely to be telling or not.
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
cwazy
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July 18th, 2016 at 4:22:19 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

This is why the world has terrorists to some extent- you just can't convince some people that there are not 700 virgins waiting for them in heaven if they kill in the name of god



Lol. Gamblers are truly an amazing bunch. I was playing blackjack the other day, and someone that clearly didn't know how to play hit his hard 14 against a dealer 6 and busted. An Asian woman got upset at him for "taking the dealer's bust card" (another ridiculous belief), and the dealer chastised him as well when she made her hand. He didn't really understand what had happened, so I explained to him that as a general rule, he'd do much better if he doesn't hit any hand he could bust on if the dealer is showing a 6 or less - leaving out the bust card nonsense. His buddy immediately said "that's right for the most part, but if you look up the odds, you'll see that's NOT the case when a 5 is showing". 4 shining examples of incorrect strategy/beliefs about the game came from 4 of the 5 people at the table, including the dealer, in a single hand.

People believe whatever BS sounds good to them, and it becomes fact in their minds. Craps reinforces this kind of thinking because it gives the illusion of control. No one is ever going to get this guy to believe that he doesn't have some special ability to roll the dice in a way that favors him, or convince him that those less "skilled" than him have an equal chance. Everyone in this thread is wasting their breath.
lilredrooster
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July 19th, 2016 at 3:50:41 AM permalink
Another blackjack legend, Stanford Wong (wonging it) believed dice control is feasible and wrote a book about it, "Wong on Dice."
𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵: 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵............. ᴍᴀʀᴋ ᴛᴡᴀɪɴ
Romes
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July 19th, 2016 at 8:00:33 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I didn't go back and add up all your wins you claim to have had (perhaps you don't mention all the losses)...

From just my educated guess on his postings he's got to be up like $20-30k "supposedly" from trips.

OH BTW GUYS - I went last night and made $468,312 playing craps by NOT controlling the dice and winging them as hard as I could. Thus I submit this as 100% PROOF that non-dice control is a winning game! (this is what you sound like to us Joel)

For someone so "confident" and sure of his abilities, it strikes me as NON-AP to turn down such a large wager on just that, your "abilities." All the proof I need.
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Romes
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July 19th, 2016 at 8:02:47 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Another blackjack legend, Stanford Wong (wonging it) believed dice control is feasible and wrote a book about it, "Wong on Dice."

Or a notable person of his stature capitalized on something non-provable with a large audience. Perhaps he does believe, perhaps not, but how much do you think the book made? I still love his books/etc, just think that one squeaked in with the others =p.
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JoelDeze
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July 19th, 2016 at 10:33:12 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

From just my educated guess on his postings he's got to be up like $20-30k "supposedly" from trips.

OH BTW GUYS - I went last night and made $468,312 playing craps by NOT controlling the dice and winging them as hard as I could. Thus I submit this as 100% PROOF that non-dice control is a winning game! (this is what you sound like to us Joel)

For someone so "confident" and sure of his abilities, it strikes me as NON-AP to turn down such a large wager on just that, your "abilities." All the proof I need.



No, I am winning moderately more than I lose. Some nights I have big wins and some nights I have medium losses. My biggest two win weeks are $5,100 and $4,100. My biggest two loss weeks are $2,300 and $1,900. I do not play the same amount of time each week. Sometimes I play twice a week. Sometimes I play four times a week. Lately, I've been playing more often. I've been dividing my time between Craps and Blackjack (70%/30%). I've gone down around $2k now and am sitting about +$12.8k.

I don't wing the dice. I practice at home and I practice at tables. I try to find the most open table I can so I can get more practice turns in. I'm no artist but I am a perfectionist. I'm very competitive and try to improve everything I do. That includes rolling dice. I tend to lose slowly at full tables over time because I'm just not patient enough to wait 10 turns for the dice to come back to me. I also don't like to play the DPL or DC. Lately, I'm changing my strategy to play more DPL and DC while waiting for my roll.

I am confident and I have to be confident. There's no sense rolling the dice and tossing any amount of money on the table if you aren't. As for turning down a wager, what do I have to prove to you? Nothing. You have zero control over anything I do in my life and no amount of goading is going to change that fact. I don't care if you believe me or not. What I say about what happens to me when I visit the casino is fact. It's not debatable. It unnerves you to think that there may be someone out there that can do something you can't. I would suggest you getting used to it. The sooner you realize that there are more talented people in this world than you, the sooner you can get back to retuning that commodore vic-20 inside your head. Climb out of that inconsolable paradigm you call your life and catch up to the modern world. It moves a little faster than you think. You remind me of the Sicilian in the "Princess Bride" that shouts in a lisp, "It's Inconceivable!"
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
Romes
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July 19th, 2016 at 11:41:16 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

...As for turning down a wager, what do I have to prove to you? Nothing...

Oh, but you do. You have something to prove to the entire forums if you're going to come in here and make wild un-mathematical claims. The majority of these forums (thankfully) believe in math and more/less like to see "real" proof... Not "hey guys I won $2k tonight!" That's not proof of anything. That was the point of my "Hey guys I made $480,000 tonight!" It's zero proof. There's only one proof, math. You claim A, I claim B, there's a way we can settle it and surprise surprise suddenly "you don't care." Just like all the others...


Quote: JoelDeze

...I don't care if you believe me or not. What I say about what happens to me when I visit the casino is fact. It's not debatable.

Wrong again. MATH is not debatable. Your stories, are. They are just that, stories with no mathematical backing or basis.

Quote: JoelDeze

It unnerves you to think that there may be someone out there that can do something you can't...

lol trying to turn it in to a pissing contest? It must unnerve you that you're down so much money that no one believes your stories when you come here with zero proof. I could care less if you win or lose... I just care about the truth.

Quote: JoelDeze

I would suggest you getting used to it. The sooner you realize that there are more talented people in this world than you, the sooner you can get back to retuning that commodore vic-20 inside your head. Climb out of that inconsolable paradigm you call your life and catch up to the modern world. It moves a little faster than you think. You remind me of the Sicilian in the "Princess Bride" that shouts in a lisp, "It's Inconceivable!"

Yes, you've got me. Your unbelievable talent (literally unbelievable) is SO FAR superior to mine. That's why I'm going to be up well more than 6 figures from AP'ing this year. That's why I also hold down a full time job as an engineer. Shit. I need to get my life together guys. My world is a lie...


...at least I have math, and she loves me <3.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
JoelDeze
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July 19th, 2016 at 12:17:47 PM permalink
Quote: Romes


Yes, you've got me. Your unbelievable talent (literally unbelievable) is SO FAR superior to mine. That's why I'm going to be up well more than 6 figures from AP'ing this year. That's why I also hold down a full time job as an engineer. Shit. I need to get my life together guys. My world is a lie...


...at least I have math, and she loves me <3.



I have mentioned time and again that I have an open invitation. I even mentioned that I would post my Vegas dates during football season. I also mentioned that I would post my win/loss results. I just need to request them.

I don't know what type of proof you are after. The end results aren't going to satisfy your logic. I am a math person and I can see why it is difficult for you. If it makes you feel better I can give you a hug.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson

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