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April 1st, 2013 at 8:12:01 AM
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So exactly just when did this become the dice-setting forum?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 1st, 2013 at 9:08:38 AM
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Even though craps is my favorite casino game, I've gotten pretty fed up with the crap on that topic around here. I haven't bothered to block any threads, but I don't follow any of them any more. First post is usually more than enough for me to tell it's going to be another dead end of drivel.
April 1st, 2013 at 9:12:27 AM
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It'll die down soon enough. I wouldn't worry.
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April 1st, 2013 at 9:12:39 AM
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Thanks for saying what I have been thinking (and now posting). I lost interest a long time ago in how the debate has been going nowhere and while nobody forces me to read it, I would like to see someone put real money up to try and prove what they believe.
The only interesting thing left is to see who is next to be suspended or banned.
The only interesting thing left is to see who is next to be suspended or banned.
April 1st, 2013 at 9:15:24 AM
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The debate isn't stalled, the people who derive revenue from people believing it is possible showed up to try to defend this fact:
There is not one shooter willing to show up on a live broadcast and reveal the truth about controlled shooting. Not just some mediocre controlled shooter no better than I am (I have already been showing that, and it's not good enough for anyone).
But a REAL controlled shooter who REALLY knows what he is doing.
I don't claim to be the best controlled shooter in the world, but I've never seen a better one.
And I can't even prove that I have an edge.
You may be witnessing the dying gasp of those who preach the gospel having to admit that there is no such shooter better than I.
Because if there were one, why wouldn't they come and demonstrate a shot. Mask or no mask, there is no excuse not to demonstrate a shot except that it is not possible.
There is not one shooter willing to show up on a live broadcast and reveal the truth about controlled shooting. Not just some mediocre controlled shooter no better than I am (I have already been showing that, and it's not good enough for anyone).
But a REAL controlled shooter who REALLY knows what he is doing.
I don't claim to be the best controlled shooter in the world, but I've never seen a better one.
And I can't even prove that I have an edge.
You may be witnessing the dying gasp of those who preach the gospel having to admit that there is no such shooter better than I.
Because if there were one, why wouldn't they come and demonstrate a shot. Mask or no mask, there is no excuse not to demonstrate a shot except that it is not possible.
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April 1st, 2013 at 9:16:40 AM
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Is that your not so subtle way of saying you don't approve? At least every post doesn't start with "bump time".
I have never played craps in a casino and I find the subject fascinating mainly because of the quality of the posts. These guys have seen and done it all and their stories, their painstaking research and their unbridled passion are the reasons I keep reading. I often find myself on the edge of my seat.
I have never played craps in a casino and I find the subject fascinating mainly because of the quality of the posts. These guys have seen and done it all and their stories, their painstaking research and their unbridled passion are the reasons I keep reading. I often find myself on the edge of my seat.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
April 1st, 2013 at 9:20:26 AM
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Quote: DocEven though craps is my favorite casino game,
I don't think I saw you play anything else :)
Quote:I haven't bothered to block any threads, but I don't follow any of them any more.
I've stopped blocking threads because there are so many of them.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 1st, 2013 at 9:51:33 AM
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Quote: AhighYou may be witnessing the dying gasp of those who preach the gospel having to admit that there is no such shooter better than I.
I wish I could believe that. But just as there will be religion as long as people exist, I expect there will be dice-control faithful as long as craps exists.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 1st, 2013 at 10:54:05 AM
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Quote: NareedSo exactly just when did this become the dice-setting forum?
As someone once said about kidney stones, this too will pass ... eventually.
Its often a sore point on craps boards. Two camps. The True Believers and the more skeptical ones who look at the casinos who don't seem to be worried or filing for bankruptcy.
I'd love it if craps could be rigged... but if you are going to use the casino's dice, then it really doesn't matter much what rigamarole you go through, just don't try to take extra time to do it.
April 1st, 2013 at 1:19:27 PM
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Quote: Ahigh
Because if there were one, why wouldn't they come and demonstrate a shot.q]
There is absolutely no incentive to be the next Ed Thorpe and destroy this game. You have, on another board, asked for their appearance. They politely declined, citing that there is nothing to gain, nothing to prove. Just, as in bj, advantage players don't talk. Unless you are selling a book.....When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 1st, 2013 at 1:56:12 PM
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I am also don't believe in dice control, just way too many variables when you really look into the physics of the whole thing. I pretty much ignore all the dice control threads. What surprises me is the amount of response these ridiculous threads get.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
April 1st, 2013 at 2:02:20 PM
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Well I, for one, have nothing at all to gain from it being proven possible to advantage play craps.
I am just the messenger. And the messenger right now is saying, "it's all just random."
So if that's the answer you want, that's the answer I have. Why you want to suggest that it's possible and nobody wants to prove it is simply contradicting yourself. You wouldn't say anything at all if there was nothing to gain from proof.
If you want the world to view you as a fool chasing a pot of gold at the end of a virtual rainbow, you have your wish! Just be quiet. (IE: more quiet).
I've won four figures in the last 48 hours, and I feel pretty damn lucky.
Works for me!
I just thought some of the folks on the WOV wanted proof, and I learned more recently that they couldn't care less.
I am just the messenger. And the messenger right now is saying, "it's all just random."
So if that's the answer you want, that's the answer I have. Why you want to suggest that it's possible and nobody wants to prove it is simply contradicting yourself. You wouldn't say anything at all if there was nothing to gain from proof.
If you want the world to view you as a fool chasing a pot of gold at the end of a virtual rainbow, you have your wish! Just be quiet. (IE: more quiet).
I've won four figures in the last 48 hours, and I feel pretty damn lucky.
Works for me!
I just thought some of the folks on the WOV wanted proof, and I learned more recently that they couldn't care less.
aahigh.com
April 1st, 2013 at 3:00:34 PM
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I like you Ahigh. I watched your video. You seem like a nice guy and would probably be fun to hang out with and shoot with at the Casino.
ZCore13
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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
April 1st, 2013 at 3:06:36 PM
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He is a nice guy and is fun to shoot with in the casino. I recommend anyone who goes to Vegas shoot with him at least once. I don't think you'll have any trouble convincing him to play . . . but you won't be able to outlast him.Quote: Zcore13I like you Ahigh. I watched your video. You seem like a nice guy and would probably be fun to hang out with and shoot with at the Casino.
ZCore13
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
April 1st, 2013 at 3:10:22 PM
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I'll tell you something else, too. It's way easier to prey on dealer mistakes than controlled shooting. And the advantage is much larger too.
The whole topic of is advantage play possible was undertaken by me because it seemed like a challenging task more than anything.
But I will admit that generally speaking, if it is possible, the advantage that can be obtained is not extremely large at least as far as all the things I have observed in my years of research so far.
IE: dealer mistakes are WAY bigger. WAY WAY WAY bigger.
I mean no doubt. Just simple plain ol' mistakes that nobody will notice if you keep your mouth shut and say nothing will absolutely give you a bigger edge than any controlled shot ever.
I *NEVER* take advantage of these mistakes, just like I hadn't been taking odds, because I don't want to win and think my shot is good when something else is happening.
IE: you can easily just get lucky and win and it's means nothing when you bet max odds.
I'm sure that many people will scratch their heads on both of these topics, but if you want feedback in the rail for how you're shooting, you have got to keep everything straight!
The whole topic of is advantage play possible was undertaken by me because it seemed like a challenging task more than anything.
But I will admit that generally speaking, if it is possible, the advantage that can be obtained is not extremely large at least as far as all the things I have observed in my years of research so far.
IE: dealer mistakes are WAY bigger. WAY WAY WAY bigger.
I mean no doubt. Just simple plain ol' mistakes that nobody will notice if you keep your mouth shut and say nothing will absolutely give you a bigger edge than any controlled shot ever.
I *NEVER* take advantage of these mistakes, just like I hadn't been taking odds, because I don't want to win and think my shot is good when something else is happening.
IE: you can easily just get lucky and win and it's means nothing when you bet max odds.
I'm sure that many people will scratch their heads on both of these topics, but if you want feedback in the rail for how you're shooting, you have got to keep everything straight!
aahigh.com
April 1st, 2013 at 3:12:19 PM
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I too am skeptical about dice control but the allure is huge. In blackjack all surveillance has to do to prove you are a counter is to align your bets with the count. In craps, in an individual session it is hard to prove this person is an influencer or merely a schmuck who thinks he can that got lucky
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
April 1st, 2013 at 3:24:21 PM
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A beatable game is entirely different from a non-beatable game to me.
Here is a patent that I was granted for making an arcade game beatable:
http://www.google.com/patents/EP1198273B1
Here's me playing an arcade game that I found to be very fun BECAUSE it was beatable (this photo is only a few days old!)
Maybe that helps explain a little bit. But I am fascinated by beatable games. I think beatable games are more fun than games that you can't win. And the harder they are to beat the better.
Part of what made the King of Kong movie so great wasn't just the high score, but trying to roll the score over a million .. in a way .. that's beating the game.
I have tons of more stories for why this is something that I'm passionate about, but maybe that helps you see things from my eyes.
I don't know for sure, but I doubt anyone could get ships lines all the way across the screen (or even would care to really) as quickly as I can.
But many people can do what you can see me doing above on Asteroids.
If you can beat craps, you should be able to bring down ALL THE CHIPS on the table and they have to bring more.
It's sort of like when asteroids starts slowing down to a crawl when you get so many ships, it's really quite fun to hear the extra man sound not playing at full speed.
Here is a patent that I was granted for making an arcade game beatable:
http://www.google.com/patents/EP1198273B1
Here's me playing an arcade game that I found to be very fun BECAUSE it was beatable (this photo is only a few days old!)
Maybe that helps explain a little bit. But I am fascinated by beatable games. I think beatable games are more fun than games that you can't win. And the harder they are to beat the better.
Part of what made the King of Kong movie so great wasn't just the high score, but trying to roll the score over a million .. in a way .. that's beating the game.
I have tons of more stories for why this is something that I'm passionate about, but maybe that helps you see things from my eyes.
I don't know for sure, but I doubt anyone could get ships lines all the way across the screen (or even would care to really) as quickly as I can.
But many people can do what you can see me doing above on Asteroids.
If you can beat craps, you should be able to bring down ALL THE CHIPS on the table and they have to bring more.
It's sort of like when asteroids starts slowing down to a crawl when you get so many ships, it's really quite fun to hear the extra man sound not playing at full speed.
aahigh.com
April 1st, 2013 at 3:32:50 PM
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I'm impressed even more now. I was an arcade junkie through the 80's. Played every arcade and home system there was for more hours than I could ever add up.
I bet I could beat you in Track and Field and Cyberball (my two favorite arcade games of all time). It's a rare day when I ever lost in those games. Pretty good at NBA Jam too.
ZCore13
I bet I could beat you in Track and Field and Cyberball (my two favorite arcade games of all time). It's a rare day when I ever lost in those games. Pretty good at NBA Jam too.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
April 1st, 2013 at 4:14:42 PM
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So we all agree to meet at "Insert Coins", have a few beers and play games that can be beat.
April 1st, 2013 at 5:09:38 PM
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Quote: AhighI'll tell you something else, too. It's way easier to prey on dealer mistakes than controlled shooting. And the advantage is much larger too.
The whole topic of is advantage play possible was undertaken by me because it seemed like a challenging task more than anything.
But I will admit that generally speaking, if it is possible, the advantage that can be obtained is not extremely large at least as far as all the things I have observed in my years of research so far.
IE: dealer mistakes are WAY bigger. WAY WAY WAY bigger.
I mean no doubt. Just simple plain ol' mistakes that nobody will notice if you keep your mouth shut and say nothing will absolutely give you a bigger edge than any controlled shot ever.
I *NEVER* take advantage of these mistakes, just like I hadn't been taking odds, because I don't want to win and think my shot is good when something else is happening.
IE: you can easily just get lucky and win and it's means nothing when you bet max odds.
I'm sure that many people will scratch their heads on both of these topics, but if you want feedback in the rail for how you're shooting, you have got to keep everything straight!
Hey Ahigh
I just checked out some of your videos. I am quite impressed by your practice and research and tools analyzing your rolls. Maybe I am wrong and you can influence the result in craps. Quite interesting. Makes me wnt to go to Vegas and play some craps, and craps isn't my game.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
April 1st, 2013 at 5:18:23 PM
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If you want to go way back I'm damn good at Star Castle, RBI Baseball, Defender, Missile Command, Crystal Castles, Marble Madness, Time Pilot, Gauntlet, Sprint, Food Fight, Popeye, Tron, 10 Yard Fight, Crazy Climber, Carnival, Pengo, 10 Yard Fight, Tempest and a few others. :)
ZCore13
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
April 1st, 2013 at 5:19:52 PM
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Quote: Zcore13I'm impressed even more now. I was an arcade junkie through the 80's. Played every arcade and home system there was for more hours than I could ever add up.
I bet I could beat you in Track and Field and Cyberball (my two favorite arcade games of all time). It's a rare day when I ever lost in those games. Pretty good at NBA Jam too.
ZCore13
I'd challenge you to a game Cyberball. Before I fell into online poker, I played a bunch of Cyberball 2072 online with some of the best in the US and got lots of practice in with guys significantly better than me. Singles is boring compared to doubles though. :( Unfortunately, I don't think "Insert Coins" has a machine available. Cyberball units are super hard to find.
Now Track and Field...I was worthless at that game without some type of turbo function.
April 1st, 2013 at 5:36:58 PM
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You're biting off more than you can chew there Mr.! :) I won a Cyberball Tournament once. I'm like a unstoppable machine in that game!
ZCore13
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
April 1st, 2013 at 6:51:38 PM
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I will play for money at any of the sports games but could never get anywhere at Crystal Castles. To this day I don't get that game.
April 1st, 2013 at 7:59:52 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneNow Track and Field...I was worthless at that game without some type of turbo function.
Did you not know the knife trick?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 1st, 2013 at 8:12:47 PM
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Or a pencil. No need for that with me. They didn't call me "crazy fingers" for nothing! :)
ZCore13
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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
April 1st, 2013 at 11:07:25 PM
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I'm not convinced Dice Control is possible in a Casino WHATSOEVER . Is it possible for someone with his or her own craps table to sit or well I mean stand at home in perfect conditions and control the dice? With conditions like the same room temp, same table, same dice, consistent game flow. A guy who can seemingly throw certain numbers at home more often. I think that would most likely change in a new location. I seen a "dice controller" during a video session on a private table ask to handle the stick himself while he toss his dice (Don't laugh). Try asking that at the casino next time LOL. It's Not likely going to happen however I once played a promotion that the casino let you spin the big 6 yourself. I'm not convinced even under the best conditions its possible to gain an edge with dice control. However If I didn't know better I would not think a guy with a stick and some small balls could have extraordinary precision control over many balls and do seemingly impossible trick shoots. (not normally taught in days or months but over years of daily practice in which even some dedicated people cant even achieve )Then again the balls are round and smooth, sticks are straight and smooth and everything is made for accuracy and skill. Craps tables and dice are made with supposed randomization in mind however I have seen some evidenced of bias dice which is a whole diffident controversial subject Which, in my mind has a lot more potential then dice control but the so called dice control experts try to discredit this for obvious reasons. Who the hell is going to pay for dice control lessons having to deal with biased dice when they can just find a table with a bias dice edge. I would say if your a young gun and have saved up several thousands of dollars don't wast your time and money. Let the guys who have tons of money and time test it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:31:11 AM
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Quote: terapinedHey Ahigh
I just checked out some of your videos. I am quite impressed by your practice and research and tools analyzing your rolls. Maybe I am wrong and you can influence the result in craps. Quite interesting. Makes me wnt to go to Vegas and play some craps, and craps isn't my game.
Thanks for the feedback. Positive feedback it seems is harder to come by for me these days.
I appreciate it.
aahigh.com
April 2nd, 2013 at 12:44:21 AM
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Quote: BozI will play for money at any of the sports games but could never get anywhere at Crystal Castles. To this day I don't get that game.
The above is an image of the creator of Crystal Castles, Franz Lanzinger. Franz and I worked together briefly at Atari and became good friends.
I took this photo just last week during Franz's postmortem on the game of Crystal Castles. I also had lunch with Franz on Monday.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/185263/GDC_2013s_Classic_Postmortems_feature_Myst_XCOM_Crystal_Castles_Pinball_Construction_Set.php
http://www.gdconf.com/conference/classicgames.html
While I was playing asteroids in that picture above, Franz was playing Centipede right next to me.
Franz was also the Centipede world record holder before working at Atari, and showed his world record breaking score certificate during the presentation. I think his record score was 2,999,999 IIRC.
Franz and I played Millipede almost every day while we worked at Atari, and while I don't remember, I think I was about as good as him. Franz helped the creators of Millipede tune the game with his expert knowledge of playing centipede.
I got the centipede high score while at the GDC show last week, but it was not very impressive and took a couple of tries.
I have a Millipede Centipede cabinet here at the house for anyone who finds themselves over, they are welcome to play!
Hopefully people understand though that I am a gamer first and foremost, and craps is just my most recent focus. But understand I am a gamer first and foremost, and the money is just what I have to have to play it, not something I expect to get, nor the reason that I play.
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April 2nd, 2013 at 5:49:13 AM
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Great stuff Ahigh. Thanks for showing another side of you than what most see on this site. I am sure we could talk for hours, or I could listen for hours and craps would never come up.
April 2nd, 2013 at 6:37:45 AM
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In an effort to try to keep order around here, I have instituted a policy of no new threads on the topic of dice influence until otherwise notified. Therefore, I will be closing this thread. You may resume this discussion in any other of the other numerous threads on the topic.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
