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treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:12:07 AM permalink
The obsession with the negative expectation of casino games and the number crunching that goes on infinitum in most of the forums is extremely boring and self serving. Posters fighting over hundredths of a percent speaks for itself. I get the impression that most of the folks on this site lay in wait for "fresh meat" and pounce. Since most consider themselves Advantaged Players they take what they believe to be the high ground thus peering down on the "chumps" that dare try to beat a negative expectation game.

Advantage Players :-).....are not stalking in forums....they are quietly winning. "Those that can do....do and those that can't... teach". I'm am 100% sure that nobody in this forum is making serious money playing any game. The real players are not wasting time in chat rooms on goofy circular arguments.

The Wizard of Vegas site is nothing more than a mutual admiration society with the Wizard being the titular head.
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Canyonero
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:29:50 AM permalink
[whisper]

SHH!

Look!

Something has climbed down from the treetops!

It is...

a troll!

Isn't it cute? Everybody must be very quiet now! Don't startle it!

Seriously, don't make a sound!

[/whisper]
odiousgambit
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:30:28 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

extremely boring and self serving



I guess a good ol' troll snipe once in a while can liven it up!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
tringlomane
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:31:21 AM permalink
Personally, I'm not making any money through advantage play, and I don't think I would enjoy trying. I'm struggling to motivate myself to even drive to the casino (half-hour away) right now to play poker that is not hold'em.

I believe the blackjack counters are APs to varying extents. And they occasionally have to take a "break" from being in the casino, so posting here is something else for them to do.
treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:34:51 AM permalink
Canyonero posting also points out the obsession that "trolling" is prevalent on this site and mutual admiration society must be on guard to protect the Wizard
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treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:35:57 AM permalink
thanks for the honest straightforward reply
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iluvdisco33
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:38:22 AM permalink
APs are quietly winning while hiding in plain sight and keeping quiet? Then what's that GWAE show doing on the air, and just how is it that casino employees are supposedly outsmarted by these lurkers? I don't think it's quite as mysterious as you paint it.
1BB
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:39:47 AM permalink
As you've learned in just over a week things can get a little cliquish here. One of my pet peeves has been the treatment of new members who have often been ridiculed or condescended to. I hope this hasn't happened to you.

Advantage players do exist and they peruse forums for many reasons. There is always something new to discover be it a new game, a room deal or a juicy promo.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
treetopbuddy
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:40:46 AM permalink
what.....? Did I paint some mystery?
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Paigowdan
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January 20th, 2013 at 11:41:58 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

[whisper]

SHH!

Look!

Something has climbed down from the treetops!

It is...

a troll!



No, this guy is spot on.

We ARE wasting out time arguing about fractions of a decimal point on a percentage, when either a game may be an exciting "fine and fair" thing to play, or a dog.

If a house banked casino game has a "running house edge" on the flat/main bet of about 2.5% or so, and a good paytable on some interesting side bets, and on a game that is fun and interesting to play, I know there is no problem, and the "Fractions of a decimal point retentive Nerds" that we see here or anywhere are actually of little consequence.

If you expect no house edge, and you wail about it being there, - as it is supposed to be....then whose time are you wasting on a reality-based situation. The house has an edge, much like any business, IF you want action.

then you should also expect free admissions to movies and to broadway shows, free air travel, and the like, just for gracing us with your presence at a casino table game or slot machine.

Get real - if you're a gambler, then you simply play and enjoy the games at our mutual discretion, but do not act like you are somehow beneficent or charitable for throwing some dice or playing some cards.

Granted, Casino marketing makes customer service important, but the House Edge or Admission fees are not negotiable. Just like the movies and shows and plane tickets. Give us enough action, and without getting barred for bahvior/expectations, and you'll see enough freebies that you can add to AP play. Quibble about fractions of a decimal point, - you can roll this ball around at the forums. the OP was accurate.
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