Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
Quote: AxelWolfI have never seen a casino employee tip $100 on a 1k royal even where they work. Or give up half a drawing. I would have to stiff everyone for the rest of my life, If I wanted to lower my average to what casino employees tip on average.
We can start by seeing what former poker dealers who won major poker tourneys have tipped.
My experience is completely different than yours when it comes to bartenders. All of the bartenders I know are very generous on tipping. I don't know that I have ever seen a bartender leave less than a 10% tip on jackpots. I know many that leave much more and also give small tips to all of the other employees working in the bar where they won.
Quote: aceofspadesI spent close to $200k on eight (8) years of school
BA
JD
LLM
People hire me with a known risk as there are no guarantees in the legal system
I get screamed at by clients, opposing counsel, opposing clients and judges
I am not tipped.
While your snark is humorous, your post is correct... but I also imagine you aren't paid $5 an hour.
Quote: nobetthisrollWhile your snark is humorous, your post is correct... but I also imagine you aren't paid $5 an hour.
This. +1. All of the above.
People at least have the good sense to know that it isn't me who is responsible for them losing money; it's the dice, the shuffler, the canoes on the roulette wheel, etc. (Though I do have superstitious players who think the speed of the wheel affects their winnings...then again, I've seen sillier.) For that matter, I am also studying for the same profession of which aceofspades speaks (third year into a four-year program.)
It is not in our culture to tip lawyers. It is in our culture to tip waiters, bartenders, delivery drivers, valets, etc. And that includes dealers. The difference? Those other professions don't have a built-in house advantage to their tips. If you think about it, the true absurdity of tipping dealers isn't that you're tipping a person providing a service over which he or she has control - it's that the house has found a way to make money off dealers' paychecks.
Quote: Mission146Did I miss a comparison to tipping lawyers? Of course I wouldn't tip a lawyer, I wouldn't tip a dealer either if he already got 33% of my win!!!
aceofspades referred to his profession and mentioned that he was not tipped despite dealing with many of the same things dealers face.
But then again, if a dealer made more than $4.50 an hour, got 33% of the take from a game (or a player's win,) or just flat-out made a decent wage sans tips, tipping wouldn't even be an issue.
Why is it my/our fault dealers only make $4.50 an hr? If you don't like it, go to school, get a different job, start a business. I don't have the answer for you. But, Why make it everyone else's responsibility to support you?Quote: hwccdealeraceofspades referred to his profession and mentioned that he was not tipped despite dealing with many of the same things dealers face.
But then again, if a dealer made more than $4.50 an hour, got 33% of the take from a game (or a player's win,) or just flat-out made a decent wage sans tips, tipping wouldn't even be an issue.
I don't mind tipping and I do it,(even on bad service) however I can't stand that its expected and demanded. People are looked down upon, if god forbid they didn't tip enough to satisfy the tippie or their peers.
Quote: hwccdealeraceofspades referred to his profession and mentioned that he was not tipped despite dealing with many of the same things dealers face.
But then again, if a dealer made more than $4.50 an hour, got 33% of the take from a game (or a player's win,) or just flat-out made a decent wage sans tips, tipping wouldn't even be an issue.
OK - let me clear some things up. the 33 ⅓% contingency fee is in the realm of personal injury law - those fees were arranged that way so that people who could not afford an attorney could receive representation and it allows the attorney to have a skin in the game…now, you can still bring a personal injury suit and pay the attorney by the hour and retain 100% of the award (should you win).
In divorce cases, I think it is unanimous in all 50 states of the union, an attorney may not work on a contingency fee (if divorce cases were done on a contingency fee they would either (a) never be settled as each attorney would clamor for a bigger piece of the pie and take every case to trial or (b) be settled immediately with nary a concern for the client as the attorneys would likely collude to ensure they both made equal amounts)
Additionally, people view the attorney's hourly rate as some windfall (for ease of use let's say an attorney charges $100/hour…well, ( I am leaving taxes out as we all pay taxes on income) there is marketing, then educational costs (student loans), employees, supplies, etc etc etc — all of these add up so an attorney is not actually earning the $100/hour or whatever the rate is)
Additionally, there is a cost associated with obtaining each new client - basically, you have to "buy" each new client that retains you through some sort of marketing and networking expense. A dealer has clients come to them (or not come to them) - but, whether they deal to 100 people in a shift or 0 people in a shift, they are still getting paid. If an attorney fails to bring in new business, the attorney is in dire straits...
I don't know why you have to defend lawyers and their pay grade. The fact is, you you chose a field where you knew what the pay grades could be, you seen what you wanted to do, you went to school you passed your tests, you worked hard and you deserve what you get period.Quote: aceofspadesOK - let me clear some things up.
BTW I like Lawyers, I never had a problem with one. They have always done their jobs well. Most of them are interesting. If I had the proper background and education, I think, I would have loved to enter that field.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy is it my/our fault dealers only make $4.50 an hr? If you don't like it, go to school, get a different job, start a business. I don't have the answer for you. But, Why make it everyone else's responsibility to support you?
I'm not sure that I completely agree with this.
Dealers make only $4.50 an hour because tipping is expected. If this were not the case, they would make more money and the games would be worse. Or, at the very least, the low limit games would go away.
Personally, I think that the dealers who deal high-limit games should be payed better and tipping should not be expected. If you are playing $10 blackjack you are not losing enough money to pay for all the expenses, including a reasonable salary for the dealers.
On the other hand, if you are playing $100 blackjack, you are.
Also I think that dealers are very hypocritical here. It makes no sense to say "don't blame me for your losses" and at the same time "tip me better than usual for your big wins".
I hear this sentiment a lot, and while it does make sense, tipping is prohibited in some foreign countries, which doesn't seem to have any great impact on their games (to my knowledge).Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDealers make only $4.50 an hour because tipping is expected. If this were not the case, they would make more money and the games would be worse. Or, at the very least, the low limit games would go away.
+1Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAlso I think that dealers are very hypocritical here. It makes no sense to say "don't blame me for your losses" and at the same time "tip me better than usual for your big wins".
Totally agree. I hate it when dealers want to have it both ways like that.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm not sure that I completely agree with this.
Dealers make only $4.50 an hour because tipping is expected. If this were not the case, they would make more money and the games would be worse. Or, at the very least, the low limit games would go away.
I've never been to Australia or New Zealand, where tipping dealers is against the law. I am curious as to whether this is the case over there.
Quote: AxiomOfChoicePersonally, I think that the dealers who deal high-limit games should be payed better and tipping should not be expected. If you are playing $10 blackjack you are not losing enough money to pay for all the expenses, including a reasonable salary for the dealers.
On the other hand, if you are playing $100 blackjack, you are.
If there is a direct correlation between the dealers' skill, experience, etc. and the game being dealt, I would agree, but that is far from the case at my casino. Blackjack, high limit or otherwise, drives the bus for tips, but it's also what break-in dealers deal, especially on the busy swing shift. Meanwhile, the talent tends toward grave and day shifts and often deals other games such as roulette, where it's trickier to earn tips because dealer bets are infrequent. However, dealers generally agree that roulette is harder than blackjack to deal. So evening out tips - especially for dealers who can only work certain shifts - works best. At least in my casino, anyway.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAlso I think that dealers are very hypocritical here. It makes no sense to say "don't blame me for your losses" and at the same time "tip me better than usual for your big wins".
People tip what they're going to tip. I don't expect a set amount for a tip unless I know a player's habits and he/she always tips X amount for a big win, and then I more or less just look for it when I see it. Frankly, I tend to err on the side of thinking a player is changing out a $5 chip, even if I'm 90% sure it's a tip, as if to give them an opportunity to take two pink chips and bet them for me if they so desire, and to avoid any potential awkwardness if they really just wanted $5 in smaller chips to play a side bet.
That said, I don't try to hustle tips - it's illegal and kind of crappy. I do, however, try to entertain, and if players are on a losing streak, I may chastise the cards or dice for being bad just for laughs and to make it clear that I'd rather the players actually won once in a while. Games that go point-seven or where I draw to 21 every other hand are not very much fun, and if I wanted a job where all I did was drudge work, I'd go push pencils for a living.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy is it my/our fault dealers only make $4.50 an hr? If you don't like it, go to school, get a different job, start a business. I don't have the answer for you. But, Why make it everyone else's responsibility to support you?
I don't mind tipping and I do it,(even on bad service) however I can't stand that its expected and demanded. People are looked down upon, if god forbid they didn't tip enough to satisfy the tippie or their peers.
I agree in this respect. Just because someone makes low wages doesnt mean they deserve tips. Now an individual may decide to give charity to people who make low wages in the form of tips. Thats great. Far be it for me to tell people how to spend charity dollars. If you go to the supermarket and the deli boy weighs out 2 pounds of roast beef for you..and you give him a tip...that great. Does he deserve a tip? No....but if you want to give money for a service for the soul reason that the person makes very little money...that is great. Its when the deli boy starts thinking that everyone needs to tip him that I have a problem. Its when the person who gives the "tip" expects everyone else to give a tip...that I have a problem.
If a dealer s doing their job in a mechanical, robotic manner....doing the minimum. I dont give a tip. If the dealer is exceptional in other ways as far as personality, controling bad behavior at a table, double checking with me if I ask for a card by mistake, or dont ask for a card......being pleasant...I do tip. Because they are doing something that gives me value personally. I feel comfortable at the table. If I feel a big chill at a table and sense the dealer just wants to get the hell out of there...then no tips no matter how well I am doing/
If a dealer takes a job that pays 5 dollars an hour and knows this full well ahead of time that they need to perform well in order to get the rest in tips....well then..they better perfom. Just because they are physically dealng cards and going through the correct motions does not entitle them to tips in my opinion.
Quote: hwccdealerI've never been to Australia or New Zealand, where tipping dealers is against the law. I am curious as to whether this is the case over there.
I have a friend over in Australia. She works as a cashier at a grocery store, and she started at about $22/hr (About $19/hr USD). Things are quite different there.
I'll weigh in on the whole tipping thing. I've worked as a blackjack dealer for five years, and am about to take up poker dealing in addition. I work at a small casino where we keep our own tips. My opinion is this: you take the bad with the good. The idea of tipping the dealers, for better or worse, is rewarding the dealer for "giving you" good cards. That's where 90% of our tips come from. As such, we get verbal abuse when players lose, and we have to deal with that. If you want the credit, you have to take the blame as well.
Someone who can't handle the job, or isn't satisfied with the tips, is certainly free to explore other jobs as someone has mentioned earlier. Just bear in mind one thing: if every dealer decided to leave and get a new job, you'd have no more games. In that respect, tipping fairly is a way to ensure that these games will remain there for you in their current state (rules not getting worse, not going electronic) in the future. In other words, a tip is every bit an investment as it is a gratuity.
Lastly, not everyone is cut out to be a dealer. Some here have spoken about dealers who hustle tips, or otherwise harass players who don't tip enough. To me, this is sickening and unacceptable, and those dealers give the rest of us a bad name, not to mention damaging our own toke rates. You shouldn't have to put up with this, so if you see it, do yourself and the rest of the good dealers a favor and report it to the pit boss immediately. Don't feel bad about getting a dealer in trouble if they're behaving in this fashion.
I'd like to believe I'm in the upper percentile in my workplace in terms of tip-getters, and I don't get them through solicitation. Being a small casino does have one advantage over a large casino in that the clientele is mostly regulars, so by getting to know them, you learn exactly what style of game they like. Do they like a slow game or a fast one? Do they like a quiet dealer or a talkative one? Do they play bonuses? Should I make change for them as soon as I can? Through all of this, I know how to earn a tip from just about any player.
The fact is that some players just don't tip, and that's ok. Some other player just around the corner is going to tip you generously. It all evens out in the end. And just remember, don't look down your nose at a dollar here and there. They add up.
Quote: Beethoven9thI hear this sentiment a lot, and while it does make sense, tipping is prohibited in some foreign countries, which doesn't seem to have any great impact on their games (to my knowledge).
I've never played outside of Canada and the US, but I thought that H17, 8 decks, no hole card, no DAS, and limited splitting and doubling was the norm.
It's not 6:5 but it's still a pretty bad game.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI've never played outside of Canada and the US, but I thought that H17, 8 decks, no hole card, no DAS, and limited splitting and doubling was the norm.
Thanks for the info. I've always wondered about the rules overseas (in places where tipping isn't allowed). Hopefully, some others here can confirm this info for us.
Quote: Beethoven9thThanks for the info. I've always wondered about the rules overseas (in places where tipping isn't allowed). Hopefully, some others here can confirm this info for us.
Please don't take this as authoritative. That's just the impression that I have. I've never actually played there, so my info might be out-of-date or flat-out wrong.
Dealing = drudge work or you guys wouldn't be bitching all the time. I have asked many, many dealers how they like there job, I say be honest. I always get the same answer....... in a quiet voice," It's ok"Quote: hwccdealerand if I wanted a job where all I did was drudge work
Quote: BuzzardTipping a lawyer is like leaving $100 in the glove compartment, so your car thief won't run out of gas !
Is tipping a dealer…when the casino already has the house edge..any different?
Quote: beachbumbabsFor ace: The only way I'd tip a lawyer would be if I found him in a canoe. (kidding)
You're all heart Babs!
Speaking of all heart - EvenBob has been missing as of late…where he be?
Quote: aceofspadesYou're all heart Babs!
Speaking of all heart - EvenBob has been missing as of late…where he be?
Not my turn to watch the baby, ace; in fact, wasn't it yours? Should we call the authorities?
Quote: aceofspadesOK - let me clear some things up..
The few lawyers I've known who are in business
for themselves, and others I've read about, mostly
lead a feast or famine existence. They're either
rolling in dough, or can't pay their bills. The money
comes in fits and starts, and more than one lawyer
has got in trouble by messing with the escrow accounts
during the famine times. Not a career I would choose..
Quote: djatcNot defending lawyers but they are worth their weight in gold if you can get a great one. All those legal matters I would not want to work out myself. I'm reading Narcesians book and finding the legalnese too much for me to do myself.
I read Narsessian's book and definitely not for the casual reader ( I would feel the same reading a book about mathematics)
Quote: aceofspadesI read Narsessian's book and definitely not for the casual reader ( I would feel the same reading a book about mathematics)
"Math is idiotic" - Barry Greenstein
Quote: AxelWolfDealing = drudge work or you guys wouldn't be bitching all the time. I have asked many, many dealers how they like there job, I say be honest. I always get the same answer....... in a quiet voice," It's ok"
Most of those dealers don't have seriously negative bases for comparison the way I do. For me, call center work = drudge work. If I was told I'd have to work the rest of my life in a call center, I'd hang myself. Dealing = a lot of things, some of which is drudge work and some of which is a lot of fun. Truth be told, it depends a lot on the game being dealt. For me, blackjack = the closest thing to drudge work that a casino has. It kills my back, it attracts the most ploppies and strategy Nazis, I can't train people how to play, and it doesn't challenge me. Put me on a game like Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, though, and it's a great time. The players either know what they're doing or I can teach them, the strategy is about as advanced as blackjack with people who understand it, there are big hands that excite people, and it doesn't kill my back.
The hardest part of dealing for me? The hours. When the alarm goes off at 2:50 AM, I often find myself asking, "Do I REALLY have to get up?"
Another forum states that rules are commonly as follows: s17, 6Deck, SP1, DAS, nRSA, OBO, Double 9,10,11. Not great, but better than 6:5.
Quote: djatcNot defending lawyers but they are worth their weight in gold if you can get a great one. All those legal matters I would not want to work out myself. I'm reading Narcesians book and finding the legalnese too much for me to do myself.
I'm of the opinion that a lawyer makes no difference in most criminal cases. An exception of course would be O.J. and his gang of dirt balls. When the state has the goods on you……your f*****.
How did thread end up with lawyer talk? I thought everything circled back to climate change or Obamacare.
That's what a 1,000 posts will do…...
But if you ever play poker in a casino where the dealers share the tips...the dealers are bad...I mean really bad. Mohegan Sun used to share tips...worst dealers...when they stopped that...great dealers.
On the other hand at the Crown casino in Australia (Ive never been just heard) they have no tipping...they pay the dealers a good salary. But they rake 10% up to $4 and charge a time payment every 1/2 hour. My guess it cost the average player a lot more then tipping does.
If my casino went to electronic poker tables I would be thrilled...unfortunately I would imagine the games would be much much tougher because only good thinking players notice things like tipping hurting there bottom line, and fishy players like dealers, bad beats, and other stupid lottery things that are also removed from the pot. Where I play they take an extra $2 for the promotions...but it attracts fishy bad players, who play even fishier just to win the promotion....
Since if I win a promotion I will tip the dealer 2% ish....I cut down my tipping when they started taking out the second dollar for promotions, and only tip if I win $16 (it used to be $11)...I tip another $ if I win over $200 in a pot and thats it. I let the fish over tip the dealers, and they do.
So I just look at reasonable tipping a necessary evil like the bad beat jack pots....good attractive charming dealers attract bad poker players...deal more hands per hour...and add to my bottom line. thats worth a few $ every hour.
I would imagine if the casino paid better salaries and no tipping they would change to rules to give you a lower return. I mean if I played roulette I would perfer a single 0 and tipping the two 0.
Quote: AxiomOfChoice
Also I think that dealers are very hypocritical here. It makes no sense to say "don't blame me for your losses" and at the same time "tip me better than usual for your big wins".
Funny...because the majority of average players seem to have this mentality as well in regards to themselves. They brag to friends that they're making the 'right calls' and winning (even if their strategy is...off) but when they're losing, "Yeah look at this [expletive] guy... he just loves taking all my [expletive] money."
Quote: nobetthisrollFunny...because the majority of average players seem to have this mentality as well in regards to themselves. They brag to friends that they're making the 'right calls' and winning (even if their strategy is...off) but when they're losing, "Yeah look at this [expletive] guy... he just loves taking all my [expletive] money."
Yeah, of course.
If you want to say that dealers are on the same level as degenerate gamblers who don't understand the game... that is not a good thing for the dealers.
Quote: djatcI want dealers to lie to me. I want them to tell me they are happy when I win. I know they get job security by seeing me lose but all I want is to be dealt a good clean game while making me feel like a winner. That's all it really takes to get a tip.
>I know they get job security by seeing me lose ....
Heck no!! They get job security by seeing you win... if you win, you tip more and if you lose they know you willingness to come back is high.
1. One of the best, most entertaining nights I ever had in VIP BJ ($100-$2,500) involved removing $11,000 from the wallets of three very nice players. They had ups and downs, but eventually lost 11k. Because of how much fun we had together, there was about $1,000 in the tip box at the end of the night in spite of their bad fortune. To me, that was a sign of a job well done; they played, lost, had a good time anyway, and tipped the dealer.
2. I frequently dealt mini-bac in a six-table pit. Why would each of the other five tables have about $11.75 in tips by the end of the eight-hour shift when (most nights) the toke committee had to come and empty my tip box? The players at my tables were the same players that the other dealers called cheap mother#@$%ers in the break room.
The bottom line is that a good dealer needs to convey the message that he/she hopes the players win, but wants them to be entertained to the nth degree regardless of which direction the chips go. That philosophy served me well and allowed me to give a great experience to my players. Once I took winning and losing out of the equation, tipping (and having fun) became regular occurrences.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: nobetthisrollFunny...because the majority of average players seem to have this mentality as well in regards to themselves. They brag to friends that they're making the 'right calls' and winning (even if their strategy is...off) but when they're losing, "Yeah look at this [expletive] guy... he just loves taking all my [expletive] money."
Yeah, of course.
If you want to say that dealers are on the same level as degenerate gamblers who don't understand the game... that is not a good thing for the dealers.
Geez, no. Well, maybe for some dealers. No, I was more or less saying it's an asinine train of thought - both bits, player or dealer.
Unlike some people in the industry, I don't believe dealers are entitled to tips and need to work for them just like a server needs to work for a tip from me. Yeah it's nice to get a tip from a big win, but for the most part, I'm not expecting a tip only because they happened to get a bonus bet. The same craps players who tip well some nights are the same craps players who stiff us some nights...depends on who is on the crew. It happens all the time if you get stuck on a crew with miserable dealers even if you're a competent, happy and upbeat/outgoing dealer. We could have three 5 point fires in one night and get stiffed - and in your head, you know why.
Quote: Scooter77I dealt for a long, long time and have two stories to tell:
1. One of the best, most entertaining nights I ever had in VIP BJ ($100-$2,500) involved removing $11,000 from the wallets of three very nice players. They had ups and downs, but eventually lost 11k. Because of how much fun we had together, there was about $1,000 in the tip box at the end of the night in spite of their bad fortune. To me, that was a sign of a job well done; they played, lost, had a good time anyway, and tipped the dealer.
2. I frequently dealt mini-bac in a six-table pit. Why would each of the other five tables have about $11.75 in tips by the end of the eight-hour shift when (most nights) the toke committee had to come and empty my tip box? The players at my tables were the same players that the other dealers called cheap mother#@$%ers in the break room.
The bottom line is that a good dealer needs to convey the message that he/she hopes the players win, but wants them to be entertained to the nth degree regardless of which direction the chips go. That philosophy served me well and allowed me to give a great experience to my players. Once I took winning and losing out of the equation, tipping (and having fun) became regular occurrences.
Would you like to come work at my casino, please? I'd love to have you there if you're capable of getting our high-lim Midi-baccarat players to tip. Laughed and joked around with a packed table (including a crowd of 5-7 people standing behind the table) for 8 hours straight, dumped $20,000 out of the rack and still had $0. They all smiled when I catered to their weird superstitions, gave me high-fives, whined when I left for breaks, and told my floor 'good dealer!'...but still nada.
Quote: nobetthisrollWould you like to come work at my casino, please? I'd love to have you there if you're capable of getting our high-lim Midi-baccarat players to tip. Laughed and joked around with a packed table (including a crowd of 5-7 people standing behind the table) for 8 hours straight, dumped $20,000 out of the rack and still had $0. They all smiled when I catered to their weird superstitions, gave me high-fives, whined when I left for breaks, and told my floor 'good dealer!'...but still nada.
I learned enough Cantonese to show respect to the Chinese players (80-90% of the baccarat clientele) and I worked furiously on both cheque-handling skills and stand-up comedy routines :)
Quote: Scooter77I learned enough Cantonese to show respect to the Chinese players (80-90% of the baccarat clientele) and I worked furiously on both cheque-handling skills and stand-up comedy routines :)
You sound like someone who understands that dealing is primarily a customer service job (a computer can deal the cards, add up the hands, and handle payouts faster and more accurately than any human. It's the rest of the job that makes you a good dealer). I hope that you are working in a place that allows you to keep your own tips.
How much did they lose the day before? What if they lost 50k the day before and got bad service? Maybe they didn't like all the fakeness and just "catered" to your strange behavior, since you tried they wanted to somehow give you props so they told the floor good dealer.Quote: nobetthisrollWould you like to come work at my casino, please? I'd love to have you there if you're capable of getting our high-lim Midi-baccarat players to tip. Laughed and joked around with a packed table (including a crowd of 5-7 people standing behind the table) for 8 hours straight, dumped $20,000 out of the rack and still had $0. They all smiled when I catered to their weird superstitions, gave me high-fives, whined when I left for breaks, and told my floor 'good dealer!'...but still nada.
Some people don't like this. They want more of a shut up and deal dealer. Some cultures are actually offended when people try to speak their language, and do stand-up comedy routine's. Some people think they are funnier then they really are and people are laughing at them, not with them.Quote: Scooter77I learned enough Cantonese to show respect to the Chinese players (80-90% of the baccarat clientele) and I worked furiously on both cheque-handling skills and stand-up comedy routines :)
From wait staff to taxi cabs to the guys that delivered my refrigerator, a few bucks is a small price to pay.
Most tipped employees really appreciate a generous tip, and they will remember the generous tipper. If you're a regular, it definitely comes back to you in return. If you're an out of towner, at least you're not a chintzy bastard that makes service worse for the next guy.
If you want to roll through life putting on your best Mr. Pink imitation, go for it. Just do it knowing that everyone knows you're a miserable bastard - and I mean everyone, not just the tipped workers you stiffed.
Quote: nobetthisrollWould you like to come work at my casino, please? I'd love to have you there if you're capable of getting our high-lim Midi-baccarat players to tip. Laughed and joked around with a packed table (including a crowd of 5-7 people standing behind the table) for 8 hours straight, dumped $20,000 out of the rack and still had $0. They all smiled when I catered to their weird superstitions, gave me high-fives, whined when I left for breaks, and told my floor 'good dealer!'...but still nada.
this is bang on.
I make $3.50/hr dealing at our house. Because my owner chooses to pay me this little, my kid doesn't deserve to eat because you think tipping is ludicrous? And making me work to check a nickle so you can give the waitress a dollar is righteous?
Your thinking is so ridiculous.
As a dealer, our job description doesn't say, 'Take FinsRule's money', it says, 'Entertain guest and provide a fun environment'. That's the 'service' that we are trained to provide.
I'm sure people here have children and grandchildren who feel that I shouldn't get tipped for trying to entertain you as a guest. How are you people going to feel when your child comes home crying because as a server they got stiffed and worked 8 hours for their $2.25/hr and no tips.
Quote: KidcrapsI make $3.50/hr dealing at our house. Because my owner chooses to pay me this little, my kid doesn't deserve to eat because you think tipping is ludicrous?
For the record, I tip well, but I get tired of dealers who complain about tips. I hear dealers bitch all the time in Vegas, and it just gets old. If you don't like your salary, then maybe you should find another job. (This is true for ANYONE who constantly complains about their salary)
Quote: KidcrapsI ran by this thread by accident, and had to make an account just to comment.
I make $3.50/hr dealing at our house. Because my owner chooses to pay me this little, my kid doesn't deserve to eat because you think tipping is ludicrous? And making me work to check a nickle so you can give the waitress a dollar is righteous?
Your thinking is so ridiculous.
As a dealer, our job description doesn't say, 'Take FinsRule's money', it says, 'Entertain guest and provide a fun environment'. That's the 'service' that we are trained to provide.
I'm sure people here have children and grandchildren who feel that I shouldn't get tipped for trying to entertain you as a guest. How are you people going to feel when your child comes home crying because as a server they got stiffed and worked 8 hours for their $2.25/hr and no tips.
It's a free country. Feel free to get another job that pays better.
+1Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt's a free country. Feel free to get another job that pays better.
Dealers who constantly whine about money remind me of the burger flippers who whine that they don't make $15/hr.
Quote: KidcrapsThank you for the tip, sir. I'll go ahead and pay my bills with it now.
Why is it my responsibility to pay your bills?
