Having to tip dealers is ridiculous

OK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?

These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?

Quote: MrV

OK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?

These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?

I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.


ZCore13

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Quote: MrV

OK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?

These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?

I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.


ZCore13

I assume you work for casinos in some management capacity. You do what you gotta do. Just stop shifting your payroll burden to consumers via tipping. Tips are illegal in Australia - there's no shortage of dealers and everything's dandy.

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Quote: Zcore13

Quote: MrV

OK, what qualities should someone have to be a good dealer?

These guys looks pretty good; what have they got that you say over half of us don't have?

I'll lost interest in the topic since it no tipping will never happen here and I already know what I would have to do if it did, but to answer your questions MrV... I can't possibly know their skill level or lack of it in certain areas by looking at them.


ZCore13

I assume you work for casinos in some management capacity. You do what you gotta do. Just stop shifting your payroll burden to consumers via tipping. Tips are illegal in Australia - there's no shortage of dealers and everything's dandy.

Yes, we should probably just follow all Australian laws that are dandy. Like...

It is the law that all cab drivers must carry a bale of hay in their trunk.
Or
It's illegal to change a light bulb unless you are a licensed electrician.
Or
It is illegal for a kid under 16 to buy a cigar, but it ok if they smoke cigars.

Yup, Australia has it all perfect.


ZCore13

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Most of your assumptions are way off.

Dealers average right around $100-$120 per day. Many make much less. Some, but not a very high percentage make more. Generally in the industry if you have a $200 day you run and call your wife or girlfriend. These days don't come around too often. On top of that, many Dealers are not Full-Time employees. They get no benefits, including time off, health care or retirement.

If all of a sudden, magically, no more tipping was allowed, the following would be my options for making up for that:

1. Increase the house advantage on all games, including the 0.53% on Blackjack.
2. Change Blackjack payouts on all games to 6-5 instead of 3-2.
3. Reduce the number of full time dealers to a small percentage or none, keeping everyone under 30 hours and therefore getting no benefits.

ZCore13

I hate to get involved with a tipping thread, but it does bother me when pro-tipping advocates say if no more tipping were allowed there would be all 6:5 blackjack. Ok, by that logic casinos that have gone to 6:5 BJ, like the evil empire, are using that increased revenue to pay better salaries? So they have done away with all tipping? I don't think so. So that argument doesn't fly. You can't have it both ways.

All off these issues, salary and number of hours are issues between the employer and employee. Now, to me it all comes back to the very first line in this now 122 page thread, posted by FinsRule.

"Why should casino customers have to subsidize dealer salaries?"

Quote: ontariodealer

I would wager over half the regular posters here would not make good dealers. You would learn all the games and know everything inside out but that has zero to do with being able to do the job.

We will take that as a big compliment.

Quote: BlueOceans

with NV having the highest unemployment rate in the nation.

Slightly off: NV #49 at 7.7% with MS and RI tied for 50th at 7.9%
But we get the point.

Quote: djatc

I've always wondered about the big tips dealers get at high limit tables. Do you still split this equally, or does the dealer keep a good % of the tip. Let's say a high roller throws the dealer $5000, what would happen at most casinos?

Most places in Vegas pool tips, which are split evenly amongst dealers from all three shifts. I believe that the Indian casinos allow dealers to keep all or the majority of their tips rather than using a shared pool.

Quote: AxelWolf

I tip, sometimes way to much and sometimes not enough. My problem is not with tipping. My problem is that its became EXPECTED and even mandatory in some cases. You are no longer a nice guy/good guy/ generous person if you tip. If you don't tip enough, you're considered a horrible person. I have seen people get violent over non tipping. WTF is going on? Tips should be based on GREAT service. Dealers are seriously NOT doing anything for you. We are tipping the wrong people(Parents should be tipping crossing guards)

A tip should be treated in this manner. OH THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR!

Just curious, but exactly how are dealers not doing anything for you if you are sitting at a live blackjack/craps/poker game?

Quote: SGIT

Most places in Vegas pool tips, which are split evenly amongst dealers from all three shifts. I believe that the Indian casinos allow dealers to keep all or the majority of their tips rather than using a shared pool.

Tips are pooled at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. I'm not sure how the poker rooms do it.