Dealer begging for tips
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhether they tip or not is irrelevant.
A guy betting big with small chips is gonna want to be paid by small chips. So why create an uncomfortable moment by not paying in small chips?
Besides, it's quicker to just match stack sizes.
Exactly. My bosses would flip if I wasn't just sizing in and moving on, but instead breaking down the bet (counting by eye? LOL) and paying it with multiple colors.
But it appears that along with believing gambling myths G55 also sees conspiracy's all around the casino.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Yeah, that happens with me too. But I make enough toke bets where they work for me. By that I mean if I am running low on whites, they'll give me extra. If I have a ton of them in the rail, they'll ask for one rather than give me four. Of course, I'm also usually holding a white, prepared to drop it if needed, but sometimes I forget.
Bottom line, the dealers generally quickly see what I'm doing and anticipate what I WANT to do, and work with me to get it done.
That's exactly how it's supposed to work. If a guy buys in for $100 and I have no other indicators I'll give him red. Sometimes they stop me and say they want green, sometimes they say make 5 of those white. Once some kind of behavior is established I try to keep giving them what they want. Unless the whites were used to tip the CW and they never play one for the dealer, I'll make sure they have some whites when they run out.
Quote: FleaStiffHow many have been at a table and noticed a dealer is paying off all players with clean chips but is paying off one particular player with dirty chips? Is that some sort of warning sign that the dealer uses?
At the poker table one night, an asian female dealer consistently refused to pitch the cards all the way to a non-tipper in seat 8. She managed to pitch to everyone else but him; they always fell 12 inches short, making him reach. Then she'd always berate him for not throwing his bets far enough towards the center so she could reach them, although she managed to reach everyone else's bets just fine. So he countered by putting his chips right on the line, then quietly nudging them forward a centimeter when she scolded him. Then she'd retaliate by zinging the cards at him with force when she dealt, resulting in cards off the table. The rest of the table was amused at all the childish antics. The guy never did tip, of course.
Quote: bwSpeaking of tips, what would most people think is a fair tip on a big jackpot, say 40k on Pai Gow poker?
Never got one (I tend to play at zero or +EV), but I think I'd cap my tips at no more than $100 per one tip for any non-life-changing amount won.
Just wouldn't feel right otherwise.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI would have gotten her fired!
It took place at one of the least serious, low-roller poker rooms on the LV Strip. Such behavior wouldn't be tolerated at the Wynn or Venetian, of course.
Quote: MonkeyMonkey
But it appears that along with believing gambling myths G55 also sees conspiracy's all around the casino.
Good puppy, here's a treat! Now scurry off to your meaningless life!
Quote: zippyboyAt the poker table one night, an asian female dealer consistently refused to pitch the cards all the way to a non-tipper in seat 8. She managed to pitch to everyone else but him; they always fell 12 inches short, making him reach. Then she'd always berate him for not throwing his bets far enough towards the center so she could reach them, although she managed to reach everyone else's bets just fine. So he countered by putting his chips right on the line, then quietly nudging them forward a centimeter when she scolded him. Then she'd retaliate by zinging the cards at him with force when she dealt, resulting in cards off the table. The rest of the table was amused at all the childish antics. The guy never did tip, of course.
Yea, definitely something about Asian dealers and bringing their attitudes to work.
Had one at Caesars who was mocking people, telling them to go cry to their momma and openly laughing when she made a 21 to crack their 19's & 20's.
Hate to think how she'd act if the table actually won and she was not tipped!
Quote: Gambit55Yea, definitely something about Asian dealers and bringing their attitudes to work.
Everytime I mention Asian players or dealers,
I get screamed at for being racist here. Yet
all you people get away with it. Makes no sense.
Quote: EvenBobEverytime I mention Asian players or dealers,
I get screamed at for being racist here. Yet
all you people get away with it. Makes no sense.
Could it be that those people do not like you ?
Quote: buzzpaffCould it be that those people do not like you ?
What does that have to do with being a racist? So if
people like you, its OK to be a racist? That makes no
sense. Either you're a racist or you aren't. If I'm a
racist for mentioning Asians, so is everybody else.
Quote: EvenBobWhat does that have to do with being a racist? So if
people like you, its OK to be a racist? That makes no
sense. Either you're a racist or you aren't. If I'm a
racist for mentioning Asians, so is everybody else.
Hear, hear. Acknowledgement is the first step in amelioration.
racist for mentioning Asians, so is everybody else. "
But Bob, they can see into your heart. And their comments are just observations.
And they are too busy, washing all those windows in the glass houses they reside in, to defend their racist comments !
Quote: Gambit55Yea, definitely something about Asian dealers and bringing their attitudes to work.
Had one at Caesars who was mocking people, telling them to go cry to their momma and openly laughing when she made a 21 to crack their 19's & 20's.
Hate to think how she'd act if the table actually won and she was not tipped!
Aren't you just precious!
Ok, let's see where we're at:
- You believe a shoe game can be messed up by another player not playing "right" (read: your interpretation of basic strategy).
- You don't believe that RNG's are random, and that switching players cards has an effect on your win rate or ability to win or some other nonsense.
- If someone else made a big enough fuss you'd let them decide how you should spend your money at a table game, and likewise you think others should extend you the same courtesy.
- And now, "definitely something about Asian dealers and bringing their attitudes to work."
I'd hate to think how you'd act if the whole board called you out for this behavior.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyAren't you just precious!
Ok, let's see where we're at:
- You believe a shoe game can be messed up by another player not playing "right" (read: your interpretation of basic strategy).
- You don't believe that RNG's are random, and that switching players cards has an effect on your win rate or ability to win or some other nonsense.
- If someone else made a big enough fuss you'd let them decide how you should spend your money at a table game, and likewise you think others should extend you the same courtesy.
- And now, "definitely something about Asian dealers and bringing their attitudes to work."
I'd hate to think how you'd act if the whole board called you out for this behavior.
Sorry we don't listen to dealers around here. We just make bold assumptions after one post and then follow them around like lost puppy trolls!
A casino patron being superstitious and trying new things... what a concept!??!?
Quote: Gambit55Sorry we don't listen to dealers around here.
Do I need to dig up your post where you mention that even the dealer was telling a player that a certain play was wrong? Evidently, you thought that was some kind of substantial evidence of being right. But, that was 3 days ago.
Quote: Gambit55
We just make bold assumptions after one post and then follow them around like lost puppy trolls!
What bold assumptions have I made? I've even asked you to clarify because the audacity of some of the things you've said is pretty spectacular. You declined. Feel free to refute the above statements, just know before you begin that I will go pull the relevant quotes from your posts.
Quote: Gambit55Thanks for coming out, back to dealing at close to minimum wage!
And now you're trying to make fun of my job? That's funny. I deal because I want to, not because I have to.
Quote: EvenBobEverytime I mention Asian players or dealers,
I get screamed at for being racist here. Yet
all you people get away with it. Makes no sense.
Just calling it like I see it. Didn't say they're all horrible people or anything like that.
Could care less what a bunch of people on the internet think about it, and according to the consensus here. "You shouldn't let other people's decisions affect you!"
Kind of a hypocritical bunch, but let's face it. Some are probably miserable and just look to stir it up when someone just shares a story that they don't like.
Quote: Gambit55Just calling it like I see it. Didn't say they're all horrible people or anything like that.
Could care less what a bunch of people on the internet think about it, and according to the consensus here. "You shouldn't let other people's decisions affect you!"
Kind of a hypocritical bunch, but let's face it. Some are probably miserable and just look to stir it up when someone just shares a story that they don't like.
I can't believe you made EvenBob play the victim card.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyDo I need to dig up your post where you mention that even the dealer was telling a player that a certain play was wrong? Evidently, you thought that was some kind of substantial evidence of being right. But, that was 3 days ago.
What bold assumptions have I made? I've even asked you to clarify because the audacity of some of the things you've said is pretty spectacular. You declined. Feel free to refute the above statements, just know before you begin that I will go pull the relevant quotes from your posts.
And now you're trying to make fun of my job? That's funny. I deal because I want to, not because I have to.
Maybe I need to dumb it down? Nobody in their right mind hits 15 against a 6. The kid didn't listen when advised 3 times not to and a dealer said not to as well. Experience out weighs "gut instinct" and ignorance here, and it screwed us over. Get it? Or should I get some crayons?
Just sharing stories, didn't say they were gospel truth or fullproof methods. They work for me and could help someone else. Aren't you among the mindless puppets who say "Why should other people's playing affect you?" or are you just a hypocrite?
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI can't believe you made EvenBob play the victim card.
Bet you can't believe a lot of things that are the truth either. Keep at it puppet!
Quote: Gambit55Sorry we don't listen to dealers around here. We just make bold assumptions after one post and then follow them around like lost puppy trolls!
Whose this "we" kemosabe?
Quote: thecesspitWhose this "we" kemosabe?
It's a joke. based on this guy's habit of taking ONE post as gospel truth and assuming that's the only thing someone knows as true.
Kind of funny when I said the dealer was advising in the situation, a couple of users here "Don't always believe the dealer" and now that logic is applied to a user who is a dealer, and the opposite view seems to have reared.
Oh well, can't make everyone happy!
Quote: Gambit55It's a joke.
Ah... sorry, my mistake! :)
Quote:based on this guy's habit of taking ONE post as gospel truth and assuming that's the only thing someone knows as true.
Kind of funny when I said the dealer was advising in the situation, a couple of users here "Don't always believe the dealer" and now that logic is applied to a user who is a dealer, and the opposite view seems to have reared.
Oh well, can't make everyone happy!
Nope, some people think Dealers are lower than dirt... other's think they are a noble and upright crowd. Mostly, they are a mix knowledgeable, time markers and the superstitious. Much like the people on the other side of the baize.
Quote: Gambit55It's a joke. based on this guy's habit of taking ONE post as gospel truth and assuming that's the only thing someone knows as true.
Feel free to clarify your positions. Seems like if you had a valid point in there somewhere you wouldn't be so reluctant to share it.
Stop fighting girls, you're both pretty!
Quote: Gambit55... Nobody in their right mind hits 15 against a 6.....
If you were counting and had a high negative number, indicating lots of low cards left, would hitting the 15 be the right play ?
Quote: WongBoReally? You two are,poisoning this thread as well?
Stop fighting girls, you're both pretty!
Told ya he was the troll Wong! He likes to follow me around thread to thread and stir it up over the most innoncent comment. All I'm doing is sharing my stories and experiences, then this troll turns into a dispute over nothing!
I get it, he's an internet tough guy who too much spare time and an unfulfilling life. So attack those he perceives are his enemies and chase them away. Sad case really, but I'll help the board out and ignore him until he goes back under his bridge or finds a new target. Which btw, he's aiming at you Wong!
Quote: RaleighCrapsIf you were counting and had a high negative number, indicating lots of low cards left, would hitting the 15 be the right play ?
This might be a chicken or the egg type deal.
Because if the count was a "high negative number" or an extremely negative number for the purists here, would you even be playing anymore at the table?
But beyond hypothetical scenarios, this was just some college kid who clearly was NOT counting, not visibly drunk(1 PM Tuesday afternoon) and just no idea what he was doing. Hence, he should have utilized the advice of the players in THIS situation and if nothing else, reasoned that the dealer's input is correct in THIS situation and acted accordingly.
Dealer beats us without him hitting, no problem, shit happens. Dealer beats us BECAUSE he hit, angry patrons, less pleasant mood, tons of animosity towards said college kid and people may act violently or maliciously out of spite.
Quote: Gambit55This might be a chicken or the egg type deal.
Because if the count was a "high negative number" or an extremely negative number for the purists here, would you even be playing anymore at the table?
But beyond hypothetical scenarios, this was just some college kid who clearly was NOT counting, not visibly drunk(1 PM Tuesday afternoon) and just no idea what he was doing. Hence, he should have utilized the advice of the players in THIS situation and if nothing else, reasoned that the dealer's input is correct in THIS situation and acted accordingly.
Dealer beats us without him hitting, no problem, shit happens. Dealer beats us BECAUSE he hit, angry patrons, less pleasant mood, tons of animosity towards said college kid and people may act violently or maliciously out of spite.
Sorry, I was not referencing your specific situation, saying the kid was counting. I just had a general question about AP. I had not considered that in a more negative cont some AP's would have wonged out. But for those who remained at play, would hitting a 15, against a dealer 6, ever be the right play?
Can't speak for everyone, but it seems the AP crowd would generally leave when the count reached -2.
So like I said, doubtful they stick around to wait for it to get severely worse.
So there may not be a real answer to this ala Chicken or the Egg.
Quote: Gambit55Told ya he was the troll Wong! He likes to follow me around thread to thread and stir it up over the most innoncent comment. All I'm doing is sharing my stories and experiences, then this troll turns into a dispute over nothing!
I get it, he's an internet tough guy who too much spare time and an unfulfilling life. So attack those he perceives are his enemies and chase them away. Sad case really, but I'll help the board out and ignore him until he goes back under his bridge or finds a new target. Which btw, he's aiming at you Wong!
This post amongst others.
I'm giving Gambit55 a seven-day ban for personal insult. It may have been three, had it been isolated to just one post, but this is kind of repetitive. In fact, I had two different posts reported to me!
Quote: Mission146This post amongst others.
I'm giving Gambit55 a seven-day ban for personal insult. It may have been three, had it been isolated to just one post, but this is kind of repetitive. In fact, I had two different posts reported to me!
Good job, I can't stand people with differing opinions either!
Back on topic, had a dealer who was a nice guy and giving me his life story unsolicited.
After I place a $25 bet with a matchplay coupon, he busts his hand and pays me $50. He then says "They give you guys these coupons to get free money, while they give us nothin! I'm not askin much, just somethin ya know?"
So I tip him a $2.50 chip, and he thanks me. Only time I'd been asked for 'somethin'
Quote: ZackG23Good job, I can't stand people with differing opinions either!
I can't stand people with matching IP's to banned Members, because that means they have created a different account to circumvent the ban.
Quote: dwheatleyWow, that's got to be a record. The guy registered 4 days ago, logged 48 + 5 posts of somewhat entertaining value, got circumspectly labeled a troll, and then *BOOM* - nuclear option. There aren't many seemingly civil people that can wear out a welcome that fast.
Many of his posts had value, to be sure, but the 7-Day was for multiple personal insults with at least four occurring in this very thread. He then went on to create another Member in order to circumvent that ban, hence the nuclear option.
Quote: dwheatleyWow, that's got to be a record. The guy registered 4 days ago, logged 48 + 5 posts of somewhat entertaining value, got circumspectly labeled a troll, and then *BOOM* - nuclear option. There aren't many seemingly civil people that can wear out a welcome that fast.
Heh heh heh ...
You ain't seen nothin'.
I challenged Frank "THE FLAW" Stanton to come over here and regale us, John Patrick-style.
Doubt he'll have the guts to come play ...
Keep up the good work.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Keep up the good work.
Says the secret mod to the new admin. Its
such a cozy bunch..
Quote: RaleighCrapsI respectfully would like to offer up a slightly differing opinion. Whilst there is no arguing the four insults in a short period of time, the poster was new to the site, and probably never read the rules. How many people really do? A slight slap on the wrist (1 day to 3 days) for a first penalty could let a new person know typical forum behavior is not tolerated here. This permits a newbie a chance to learn, and either become an upstanding member, or continue with violations, and get dusted. Once the second account was created the gauntlet was thrown down, and the outcome was inevitable. Just my unasked for $.02.
I will acknowledge Three Days would also have been a reasonable suspension length, though I do not feel there was anything wrong, per se, with Seven. I would, however, partially counter the first point by stating when there is a Forum called, "Rules," at the top of the Board there should really be no excuse for not reading the Rules thread. The vast majority of Forums have some sort of Rules in place, even if they are just the bare minimum concerning legalities and what have you.
Further, the length of the Suspension is irrelevant to the creation of a new account. The original Member, when suspended, doubtlessly knew that there were Rules then and could have sought them out at that point to very easily determine that he could not make a second account to circumvent a ban.
I will admit that I did not necessarily have to come down with a Seven-Day ban, though, and will defend my decision only by saying that it was due to multiple personal insults being committed. If there had been only one insult, then the ban may have only been for one day, and certainly no more than three. It is also possible that I would have taken the liberty of Editing the post and informing the Member that such posts will not be tolerated.
The one precedent that I hope this establishes, however, is that there will be stricter repercussions for a Member who commits multiple violations, or insults, in my absence. I obviously cannot be on here 24/7, so I do not want Members to believe that they can commit an insult, and having committed an insult, continue to insult with relative impunity as they will only be Suspended based upon one insult.
99+% of Members should never have to worry about this or being Suspended, in general. This is generally the most mature, civil and adult Forum at which I have ever posted.
Quote: Mission146I would, however, partially counter the first point by stating when there is a Forum called, "Rules," at the top of the Board there should really be no excuse for not reading the Rules thread. The vast majority of Forums have some sort of Rules in place, even if they are just the bare minimum concerning legalities and what have you.
Maybe the rules should be a locked sticky thread at the top of the thread list that only moves when read.
EDIT - Might prevent some new member infractions. If its at the top of the recent thread list. I never even noticed the rules forum until I went looking for it.
Quote: CroupierMaybe the rules should be a locked sticky thread at the top of the thread list that only moves when read.
EDIT - Might prevent some new member infractions. If its at the top of the recent thread list. I never even noticed the rules forum until I went looking for it.
The New Member sign-up page currently begins as follows:
Quote:Interested in joining? Here is some suggesting reading before getting started:
•FAQ
•Forum Rules
•Formatting Codes
•Suspension List
How to Register
All fields are required. Passwords are case-sensitive. Upon successfully completing the registration form, an email with a validation code will be sent to the address you provide. You must enter the validation code in the activation form to complete the registration process. Your email address will never be sold or shared.
The bullets are links, of course. You have been here for some time, so it is quite possible the sign-up page was formatted differently, then, but The Rules are made apparent upon sign-up.
EDIT: You must also checkmark that you agree to the Forum Rules, which is again linked by where you checkmark it.
Quote: Mission146... The one precedent that I hope this establishes, however, is that there will be stricter repercussions for a Member who commits multiple violations, or insults, in my absence. I obviously cannot be on here 24/7, so I do not want Members to believe that they can commit an insult, and having committed an insult, continue to insult with relative impunity as they will only be Suspended based upon one insult.
99+% of Members should never have to worry about this or being Suspended, in general. This is generally the most mature, civil and adult Forum at which I have ever posted.
I do not think you have taken any offense to my comment, and I certainly do not mean to put you in a position of defending your action, as that is not my intent, nor desire.
I agree that once the second account was created, your action was exactly what was called for. Dual accounts are not allowed, and whether or not the poster knew that ahead of time, it should be common sense that if you have been suspended, creating a second account to circumvent that is indefensible.
Your last statement gets to the heart of my previous comments. This forum is more civil and mature than most others. Less is tolerated here. But new people coming in can not be expected to understand that, as it is not the 'normal' for forums. Hence, I think some modicum of leniency could be granted to a new member who crosses the civility line. I would perhaps go so far as say, a warning should be issued to a new member who is guilty of minor violations, like a minor insult. Really nasty personal insults should get an immediate suspension, since most of the time, anyone who is a new member and resorts to that in their first posts, will likely continue that behavior, and end up suspended anyway.
But the above should only be granted to new members. Those who have been around for a while already understand what the expected behavior is, and should they cross the line, no warning should be given, nor expected.
Buzz, would you like me to PM my address so I can get my $.01 refund?
