Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
Yeah penalize the employers who hire them LOL Like all the sub contractors are here legally !
Quote: HunterhillI don`t know where you hung sheetrock,but I hung sheetrock for 10 years and was making 800 to 1200 a week and that was 25 years ago.
I did this for less than two years. I barley made it past grunt level which means I barley made it past grunt pay.
Quote: NostronI met a very good dealer at Paris this past weekend who quoted this site often when asked about plays at the blackjack table -he was very knowledgeable and fun to play with - thus he got lots of tips from us.
I may have met that same dealer a couple years ago; he was telling everyone, "www.wizardofodds, that's where you'll find out how to play." It was great. And yes, he earned it.
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For more than six years, I ran a restaurant without tips.
More here
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2013/08/tipless_restaurants_the_linkery_s_owner_explains_why_abolishing_tipping.html?google_editors_picks=true
Quote: rxwineI know we already have two or more threads about tipping. This one was the top thread, so adding this here. From article on tip-less restaurant.
More here
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2013/08/tipless_restaurants_the_linkery_s_owner_explains_why_abolishing_tipping.html?google_editors_picks=true
Weird how they call it eliminating tipping, but add 18% to every bill. They just eliminated calling it tipping IMO.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWeird how they call it eliminating tipping, but add 18% to every bill. They just eliminated calling it tipping IMO.
Pretty much. The 18% should be rolled into the food prices to truly eliminate tipping. But if they did that, maybe it would have been less clear to diners that they shouldn't be tipping.
Quote: tringlomanePretty much. The 18% should be rolled into the food prices to truly eliminate tipping. But if they did that, maybe it would have been less clear to diners that they shouldn't be tipping.
Obviously the main reason is people get sticker shock when the service charge is already included and for competitive reasons, the restaurant wants prices to appear lower. If service gets that much better with servers getting less and the rest of staff sharing now, there must be a lot of people who do not tip when voluntary or else this whole story makes no sense.
Quote: PGBusterJust imagine if all threads on this board worked this way. Someone comes in, makes a one line declarative statement, and declares that there will be no more discussion.
That's not the way forums work. What's wrong with spirited debate?
I know. It just gets to a point sometimes where arguing about opinions is senseless.
Quote: PGBusterJust imagine if all threads on this board worked this way. Someone comes in, makes a one line declarative statement, and declares that there will be no more discussion.
Happens in real life from time to time. The Global Warming debate is one example.
Quote: AZDuffmanHappens in real life from time to time. The Global Warming debate is one example.
You took the words right out of my mouth, AZ. Global warming, gay marriage, illegal immigration...there should be no debate, and we should support them all (according to a lot people out there).
Quote: djatcTipping in buffets is kinda funky. I serve my own food, and some places serve my own drinks. What exactly am I tipping for here?
I agree. In the end, I do end up tipping a couple bucks though since I go to the same buffet regularly, and I know that the servers there don't make very much (unlike dealers at Caesars, The Wynn, etc).
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe Supreme Court would just call it a "tax."
S*** just got real!
Quote: djatcTipping in buffets is kinda funky. I serve my own food, and some places serve my own drinks. What exactly am I tipping for here?
Usually they bring napkins and they clean off all the old plates.
Article about restaurant tipping:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-end-of-restaurant-tipping-2013-08-19?dist=beforebell
Quote: wudgedUsually they bring napkins and they clean off all the old plates.
Article about restaurant tipping:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-end-of-restaurant-tipping-2013-08-19?dist=beforebell
Basically this. Drink service and clearing off your plates are the biggest things. So tipping (but not as much as a full service restaurant) is definitely the norm.
Now let's take the lunch buffet at a local type casino, in which, my partner and I eat frequently. $6.99 @ stations. Maybe up to $9.99 at a couple other local type locations. Now we still tip $2 for the two us us. I think that is reasonable.
But check this scenario. What if I am eating @ LVH buffet, which I do twice a week. The buffet cost $19.99 for lunch. But I, being a local get it for $4 in comp dollars. Do I base my tip on the $4 price or the $20 price. I mean, I would NEVER pay $20 for that buffet.
OK, a step further. The casino, doesn't offer different pricing for locals. Let's say a strip property with a $20 price. I eat there using my comps. Again, I would never ever eat there paying that overinflated cash price. What is that buffet value really worth to me. In many cases the buffet isn't any or much better than the station property buffet that is priced at $6.99 and I would not eat there if it wasn't comped. What is the real value to me?
Well, my answer is that we tip $3 for the two of us at buffets priced over 10 bucks. But I am just saying buffet tipping is a joke. You are tipping someone for bringing your drink....sometimes, and clearing the table, which is part of doing business. Don't they have to clear the table for the next guest. It's part of doing business, like mopping the floor. Should we tip for that?
Now back to tipping dealers, as this thread is named. I used to tip dealers, until PGDan told me they hate that. That dealers are insulted by tips. Who knew. So now I have stopped. :-) just kidding, Dan. I still tip the dealers exactly what they deserve. :-)
Quote: tringlomaneYour examples help explain why tipping shouldn't always be based on percentages. If my bill is lower, my percentages tend to be higher.
I kinda do the same thing. For example, I like to eat at Stations' breakfast buffets. So I'll usually tip a couple bucks (I usually eat by myself), and I have no problem with that. Plus, I'm pretty much a regular at those buffets, and I tend to tip more at places where the staff and I know each other.
dollars won X hours played X zero = tip $$
If I have a losing session, it goes like this:
dollars lost X hours played X zero = tip $$
I use my smart phone to perform the necessary calculations. So far, the result always comes up $0.
My wife and I stayed at a Boardwalk casino in AC this past weekend and I have a tipping story. On the first day the maid scooped four or five one dollar bills and some change that my wife left on the table next to the bed. I know that's where tips are left upon checkout but on the first day? On a very cluttered table? This maid does not strike me as a thief in any way. She must of thought it was a tip as evidenced by the extra everything that she replenished the room with.
No harm no foul as far as we're concerned but does anyone tip on the first day of a two stay without handing it to the maid directly and looking for something in return?
Quote: 1BB
No harm no foul as far as we're concerned but does anyone tip on the first day of a two stay without handing it to the maid directly and looking for something in return?
While not common, I have read some people tip maids daily.
Obviously maids know it isn't your last night, but how common would it be for them to know it is your first night? I'm guessing they have this info, but just not sure they care.
How anyone needs a new towel and beds made everyday is besides me. I guess being single for a long time made me not care too much about how messy I am.
I tend to avoid most tipping situations just because I don't like to not tip, but hate having to leave an amount just because I used a service.
I avoid strip clubs for this purpose as well. Actually only because I'm cheap and can look at naked ladies online anyway lol.
My tipping policy is completely affected by my past experience. I was a resort maid for a summer at 14. I bussed tables at 12, started serving at 16, worked 9 years as a waitress (through and several years past college). It's horrible work, and thank Whomever I don't still have to do it. The only other tipped profession for me was I dealt blackjack at 24, enjoyed that more, but still prefer jobs where I don't have to stand the whole shift. I might as well strap one of those famous machines on my back that pops a buck out every 5 minutes, and the nearest tip-taking employee can just reach over and grab it. So I guess I tip out of gratitude for the fortunes of life as much as for good service, but I do vary the tip to the good service.
A common "thank you" indication on a percentage tip used to be that you added a penny to the pile. That told the server you were tipping because they did a good job, not because it was written into the bill or for any other reason. More than one penny just meant nothing, because you were likely dumping the change out of your pocket. But the one-penny thing also, without having to discuss it, told the server that regardless of the size of the tip (which could be not as expected for any number of reasons), you had tipped as much as you would or could for good service. Of course, one penny without anything else was usually meant as an insult.
Quote: beachbumbabsOf course, one penny without anything else was usually meant as an insult.
It is insulting, but it also clearly points out to the server, or whoever you were supposed to tip, I didn't forget to tip you, I chose not to. If you leave nothing, I would assume most servers would think you forgot, unless you did it repetitively. I haven't done the penny thing although I have been tempted a few times. Worst tip I remember was when I was forgot for over 15 minutes after given the bill. I thought about dining and dashing but instead threw down a $20 for a bill that was like $19.32.
Edit: looks like beachbumbas said the same thing
Quote: BeardgoatIt would actually make sense to tip on the first day so the maid might provide you better service. Ever think of that?
Oh, what I love (read loathe) are people who say "I don't tip housekeeping if I'm only spending one night, since I don't use their services." As if the nicely clean, made-up room you crash into got that way of its own accord.
Quote: 1BBUnlike the non tipper the thieving dealer can be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced. What if I said expecting tips is like going to the welfare office and expecting a hand out?
What have we learned about people in the service industry? They have an incredible sense of entitlement. They look down on the people they are supposed to serve. They are a frustrated lot who refuse to do their best unless their blackmail demands are met in the form of tipping. Those not in compliance will face a dealer who will try to make them lose and who will rob them. They will face a floor who will not give them the comps that they have earned and a server who will spit in their food. Daring to ask for an upgrade will result in being relegated to an inferior room.
Do these things make one feel better? I think not because the person it's directed at will never know. That must be so frustrating. It's not like getting into the ring and giving your opponent a good beat down. That would be satisfying and fair not cowardly and sneaky. I have more respect for the men and women holding up signs at stop lights asking for money. At least they won't spit in my food. You know what? I give them money.
The public didn't put you in your job you did. If you don't like it you have a choice.
People in the service field are not suppose to serve for free. We chose a profession to help fill the needs of people, hence the service field. We expect to be compensated for providing those services. The difference from another job and the service field, is that with the service field the customers vary greatly on their demands and needs, that's why it is up to that individual to compensate fairly to cover the costs of their demands and needs. If a individual requires more time and attention over another customer, then that customer should tip more than someone that requires less effort and time. This is why the companies and society have created tipping to supplement a service field employee's income. If there wasn't, then the price of goods and services offered would be more expensive for all; instead of having the individuals that are more demanding pay extra in the form of tipping for the extra labor they are using.
Quote: NareedOh, what I love (read loathe) are people who say "I don't tip housekeeping if I'm only spending one night, since I don't use their services." As if the nicely clean, made-up room you crash into got that way of its own accord.
Dude, wtf? A clean made up room is what you are paying for! THAT is the business! Have you lost your mind? How many times do you want to pay for the same service?
Quote: ontariodealerif you're cheap, don't tip.....no need to come to a gaming forum and advertise it.
The only difference between a puppy and a dealer is that eventually a puppy will stop whining.
Quote: allinriverkingAnyone that doesn't tip when gaming, isn't there for the entertainment.
What's so "entertaining" about losing your hard earned money? I don't get it.
Beating the casino feels pretty damn good. I go elsewhere for entertainment.
Quote: kewljDude, wtf? A clean made up room is what you are paying for! THAT is the business! Have you lost your mind? How many times do you want to pay for the same service?
Kewlj you are such a cheap bastard, the person who checks me into my room, the person who seats me at a restaurant, and of course pit bosses who put my card into the computer are now going to be tipped by me(as they are providing me a service). Not to mention the bank teller who assists me, the chick who takes my order at the drive through and the policeman who gives me a ticket.
Quote: allinriverkingAnyone that doesn't tip when gaming, isn't there for the entertainment. I feel sorry for those individuals, I don't look down at them, but instead pity them. They are there sadly grinding it out, and are sadly mistaking that gaming is for making money and not entertainment purposes. They are in the same category as the homeless; the ones that put themselves in that position. Or the ones faking homelessness, to steal from people. Those are the definition of degenerate gambler. The sad, pathetic looking ones; in which are noticeable to all in the casino, and are actually laughed at by the other players that are there for entertainment. The hardworking individuals that chose gaming as their form of entertainment and show the gratuity for the dealers service they provide them.
oh and kewlj i guess we are both homeless
And before anyone blasts me, I usually tip 10-15% of my winnings to the dealers (and I'll even throw in a buck or two when I'm losing!). I just make sure to play with dealers I like. If a dealer is an a**hole, I'll give them a minimal tip, but I'll make sure to never play with him/her again. The only time I'll ever stiff a dealer completely is if they do something way out of line.
Quote: allinriverkingAnyone that doesn't tip when gaming, isn't there for the entertainment. I feel sorry for those individuals...They are in the same category as the homeless
Are you a Strip dealer?
Quote: OzzyOsbourneoh and kewlj i guess we are both homeless
If you feed, for free, off the sweat of a individual that provides you a service, then you are the same type of sad individual I pity. The ones asking for handouts that can go work themselves a job, but chooses it's easier to take handouts.
Quote: Beethoven9thI tip at least 20% at restaurants and have no problem doing so. Most waiters/waitresses are good but don't make a lot of money, so I like to reward good service. OTOH, I do get tired of hearing dealers b*tch and moan about tips. And, ironically, it's dealers at the higher end places who are the worst. Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever heard any ugly remarks about tips (or lack of) at Station Casinos. Are you listening, Caesars, Bellagio, etc.?
And before anyone blasts me, I usually tip 10-15% of my winnings to the dealers (and I'll even throw in a buck or two when I'm losing!). I just make sure to play with dealers I like. If a dealer is an a**hole, I'll give them a minimal tip, but I'll make sure to never play with him/her again. The only time I'll ever stiff a dealer completely is if they do something way out of line.
Are you a Strip dealer?
I'm a midwest dealer. We don't have dealers that say anything about if someone tips, or not, on the floor.
Out here, the players say it enough for the cheapskates to hear. They shame them, we don't have too.
Quote: OzzyOsbourneoh and kewlj i guess we are both homeless
Don't even waste your breath, Ozzy. Ridiculous comments like that of allinriverking's, don't even deserve a response.
By the way tipping is getting ridiculous with every kiosk/Starbucks/Subway.
Quote: allinriverkingPeople in the service field are not suppose to serve for free. We chose a profession to help fill the needs of people, hence the service field. We expect to be compensated for providing those services. The difference from another job and the service field, is that with the service field the customers vary greatly on their demands and needs, that's why it is up to that individual to compensate fairly to cover the costs of their demands and needs. If a individual requires more time and attention over another customer, then that customer should tip more than someone that requires less effort and time. This is why the companies and society have created tipping to supplement a service field employee's income. If there wasn't, then the price of goods and services offered would be more expensive for all; instead of having the individuals that are more demanding pay extra in the form of tipping for the extra labor they are using.
Quote: allinriverkingI'm a midwest dealer. We don't have dealers that say anything about if someone tips, or not, on the floor. Out here, the players say it enough for the cheapskates to hear. They shame them, we don't have too.
If you need more money ask your boss for a raise.
Quote: mickeycrimmIf you need more money ask your boss for a raise.
No, he would rather beg the customers for money. Lol
Really, allinriverking, you have some freaking nerve, comparing AP's to homeless, when you are the one begging for a living. You may as well be holding a cup like a dancing monkey. :-)
Quote: allinriverkingThere is no whining, people who are cheap, have the same mentality of people that believe they deserve free stuff in life. Case closed. You know who you are, and that is great. I believe greatly in Karma. You may win hundreds or thousands, and choose not to tip. I bet you won't hold on to those winnings for long. That's why there is no worries for me, if someone wins and doesn't tip, because I know they are degenerates and will give it back, and someone that tips will win, in which I will receive a tip from that. So actually, the degenerate that gives back their winnings to the house, in which gets paid out to a winning tipping player later, allows for some of that money to find its way back to me and in my pocket... The universe is great, in how it all comes full circle...
So I don't donate my hard earned money to charity, based on your reasoning. I am a cheapass who hoards money and never gives it out to those that need it the most in times of need.
Quote: kewljNo, he would rather beg the customers for money. Lol
Really, allinriverking, you have some freaking nerve, comparing AP's to homeless, when you are the one begging for a living. You may as well be holding a cup like a dancing monkey. :-)
I don't beg for money or encourage someone to beg. I provide a service, not just deal cards, I entertain am personable, promote conversations with people, let them get their minds off of the things going on in the world that they may want to forget. Make people laugh. If i asked my boss for a raise then, the house edges would be too high to cover that, and everyone would lose. Why hurt the players that are considerate of the job someone is doing for them.
