What does a gal have to do to get a glass of dihydrogen monoxide around here?
| Handle | Bet | To Win |
|---|---|---|
| Wizard | $2,000 | $400 |
| SOOPOO | $1,350 | $150 |
| Switch | $900 | $100 |
| AcesAndEights | $550 | $150 |
| Golfbuddy | $450 | $50 |
| rdw4potus | $450 | $50 |
| LarsLarson | $180 | $20 |
| lucyjr | $180 | $20 |
| Sami B. | $143 | $0 |
| ConsultantDave | $100 | $0 |
| FrGamble | $90 | $10 |
| sunrise089 | $90 | $10 |
| SportingGoodsMike | $90 | $10 |
| Dad | $45 | $5 |
| TOTALS: | $6,618 | $975 |
Quote: NareedOh, it's there. I'll bet you a thousand dollars that, by volume, any full bottle of the stuff is mostly dihydrogen monoxide. I will warn you it's a sucker bet.
Dihydrogen monoxide? It might, at that. It's also an industrial cleaner, aside from being found in cancer cells :P
Nareed...it took me until the 2nd post. Nice one!
Quote: SOOPOONareed is being a dork.
Do you kow the rules regarding personal insults?
Quote: NareedDo you kow the rules regarding personal insults?
I live on the edge..... It would be a personal insult if I said you ARE a dork. I said you were BEING a dork. That is, you were exhibiting dork-like tendencies, though perhaps you are not a dork.
Seriously--- if you were the king---- would you suspend me? How bland do you want the forum to be?
Quote: AcesAndEightsThis is false. I don't have a local Kroger.
Jesus man, do you work for this company? Or own way too much stock in them?
As stated previously, any grocery store falling under the Kroger umbrella (including stores such as Ralph's) should be running this same sale.
I do not work for nor do I own any stock in Glaceau. I was mainly being silly, though I do think Vitamin Water Zero is an excellent product. It's not worth the retail of $1.25/bottle, I'll admit that, so I stock up when it is on sale. If I run out and there is no sale, I will get the Kroger, "Zero Calorie Vitamin Enhanced Water Beverage," they're pretty good, too, but the blackberry is not quite as tasty and there is no lemonade one.
The Kroger brand Acai Fruit Punch, however, is divine.
Quote: SOOPOOI live on the edge..... It would be a personal insult if I said you ARE a dork. I said you were BEING a dork. That is, you were exhibiting dork-like tendencies, though perhaps you are not a dork.
Seriously--- if you were the king---- would you suspend me? How bland do you want the forum to be?
Indeed, that is on the edge of the "no personal insults" rule. Personally, I find the word "dork" can be used in a somewhat complimentary fashion. For example, if a friend said I was a "math dork," I would not be offended, and consider it a compliment to my math abilities. However, if it was somebody I didn't know well, I would take it as an insult to my personality. Maybe a bad comparison, but we were recently talking about how the word gorda can be taken both ways in Spanish in the SWD thread.
However, Nareed evidently was insulted by it. Given that, I'm going to have to say that does come very close to crossing the line. You're also a valued member of the forum, but I don't want to give the impression that certain members are above the rules. You may recall that I banned BoyMimbo before, and he is also a valued member.
So, please be more careful. Also, don't forget that the "block" feature is there for a reason.
Quote: SOOPOOI will accept whatever decision you make, as it is your forum and I am your guest. Context is everything. Nareed was slyly poking fun at another member for him not knowing what the chemical structure of water was. It is clearly in that context I referred to Nareed's behavior as dorkish. It's the same way I would have responded to any of my best friends, or my sons, for that matter. I think the forum will be worse off if a member is afraid to respond as I did.
It seemed to me that the term "dork" was used by SOOPOO collegially, in a friendly way, the same way that Nareed was having fun with Mission 146. I feel bad that Nareed took it personally, though. It was pretty obviously meant in fun.
Quote: MoscaIt seemed to me that the term "dork" was used by SOOPOO collegially, in a friendly way, the same way that Nareed was having fun with Mission 146. I feel bad that Nareed took it personally, though. It was pretty obviously meant in fun.
Thanks, oh voice of reason!
Quote: SOOPOOI will accept whatever decision you make, as it is your forum and I am your guest. Context is everything. Nareed was slyly poking fun at another member for him not knowing what the chemical structure of water was. It is clearly in that context I referred to Nareed's behavior as dorkish. It's the same way I would have responded to any of my best friends, or my sons, for that matter. I think the forum will be worse off if a member is afraid to respond as I did.
Total agreement. It took me reading through her second post before I got it, too. I was being a dork and not paying attention (did I just insult myself? I'm afraid I did. I should stop posting now....Come on, man).
Is there some way I could "pre-pay" a few penalties? I don't have any targets in mind, but occassionally we have someone drop in that is just begging for a little sarcasm. (Mine will always flirt with the line so I'd rather get the penalty phase out of the way now).
Quote: SOOPOOThanks, oh voice of reason!
I'd even say that I thought Nareed's retort was also in jest. I can only assume it escalated outside of my view.
It is just my opinion, obviously, but I found it rubbed me the wrong way when you referred to Nareed as a "he". Nareed has made it clear that she wants to be referred to as a female. You've said before, SOOPOO, that you wouldn't consider her a female until and if she has a sex change operation. But regardless of whether this is done or not I think out of respect you should refer to her as a "she". Again, it is about respect. Purposely referring to her as a "he" when you know she doesn't want to be referred to as a he is disrespectful. But it is just my opinion and ultimately it comes down to how Nareed feels about it. But that just rubbed me the wrong way.Quote: SOOPOOI live on the edge..... It would be a personal insult if I said you ARE a dork. I said you were BEING a dork. That is, you were exhibiting dork-like tendencies, though perhaps you are not a dork.
Seriously--- if you were the king---- would you suspend me? How bland do you want the forum to be?
Quote: HotBlondeNareed has made it clear that she wants to be referred to as a female.
I want to be referred to as Supreme Master of the Universe.
You may consider yourself "disrespectful" to me when you refuse to respect my every wish ... but that is still a long way from insulting.
Some people just need to grow up and realize, that not everything they wish must come true ... and that everybody else around them is not here for the sole purpose of making them happy.
Quote: MoscaIt seemed to me that the term "dork" was used by SOOPOO collegially, in a friendly way, the same way that Nareed was having fun with Mission 146. I feel bad that Nareed took it personally, though. It was pretty obviously meant in fun.
I took it exactly the same way, just friendly banter -- Nareed had an amusing gotcha for those not trained in chemistry or never having seen the term, and it has an apparently erudite feel that makes it seem much more than it really is. Too bad it was viewed otherwise.
Quote: weaselmanSome people just need to grow up and realize, that not everything they wish must come true ... and that everybody else around them is not here for the sole purpose of making them happy.
That idea cuts in two directions.
Quote: UP84
That idea cuts in two directions.
It does?
Let me clarify my question. What the hell are you talking about?
it takes real guts to be friendly and kind.
if you have hurt someone's feelings,
the right thing to do is to apologize,
not to say "get over it".
i have been guilty of insults in the past,
but honestly feel better after apologizing and
trying to be friendly.
Quote: weaselmanI want to be referred to as Supreme Master of the Universe.
You may consider yourself "disrespectful" to me when you refuse to respect my every wish ... but that is still a long way from insulting.
Some people just need to grow up and realize, that not everything they wish must come true ... and that everybody else around them is not here for the sole purpose of making them happy.
Your Highness will do it for me. I like Nareed but I find it difficult to refer to him as a her. Hopefully that won't be cause for suspension some day. I'm keeping an open mind and am willing to learn.
but i agree that it shouldn't be a topic of discussion
and it is insulting that someone even brought it up.
Quote: HotBlondeAgain, it is about respect. Purposely referring to her as a "he" when you know she doesn't want to be referred to as a he is disrespectful. But it is just my opinion and ultimately it comes down to how Nareed feels about it. But that just rubbed me the wrong way.
That's a part of it, and a big part at that.
I know a lot of people are jerks who don't care to grant me, or other transgendered people, that minimum of respect. But it's worse when it comes from people who profess to like me, or who even say they're sympathetic and then slap me with their atitude. Here I can block them, and I do. Naturally they can do as they want, but don't expect me to just lie down and take it.
I don't want to derail the thread further, though, so that's all I'll say about it here.
Quote: WongBo
and it is insulting that someone even brought it up.
Who would that be I wonder?
Quote:Insulting that I bring it up? Really? That's a stretch.
They are not referring to you. The comment is directly after another.
Quote: NareedThat's a part of it, and a big part at that.
I know a lot of people are jerks who don't care to grant me, or other transgendered people, that minimum of respect. But it's worse when it comes from people who profess to like me, or who even say they're sympathetic and then slap me with their atitude. Here I can block them, and I do. Naturally they can do as they want, but don't expect me to just lie down and take it.
I don't want to derail the thread further, though, so that's all I'll say about it here.
Yes, anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't do as you wish must be a jerk. I doubt that I am the only one. If it will make you feel better to call me a jerk directly instead of implying it go right ahead.
I won't go crying to the Wizard, the secret moderators or anyone else.
(smiley, smiley, smiley).
Quote: SOOPOOI live on the edge..... It would be a personal insult if I said you ARE a dork. I said you were BEING a dork. That is, you were exhibiting dork-like tendencies, though perhaps you are not a dork.
Seriously--- if you were the king---- would you suspend me? How bland do you want the forum to be?
I did NOT refer to nareed as a male. My sentence infers that Nareed would be replacing the WIZ, who is the 'king' of this forum. Geez... get a life!
Quote: thecesspitNareed, ignore 1BB. She's being a bit of a dork.
(smiley, smiley, smiley).
You like to live dangerously ??
Quote: HotBlonde
And I told SOOPOO a couple days ago that I don't want to fight with him, I never wanted to. But if you all remember the two things that have always bothered me about him was the fact that he would insult me and be disrespectful towards me. No one seemed to believe me since most of it was done in person-to-person contact between he and I. We're all human, and we all make mistakes and push boundaries. But I'm hoping SOOPOO is starting to see how he does this. In the past he only seemed to defend himself and claim that he does no wrong.
Please quote when I called Nareed a he on the forum. If you can find it I will apolologize for it. If you want me to be able to quote things from our 'person-to person' contact just let me know. I'd be happy to do so.
Quote: SOOPOOI did NOT refer to nareed as a male. My sentence infers that Nareed would be replacing the WIZ, who is the 'king' of this forum. Geez... get a life!
You did right here. This is what Nareed said mostly offended her:
Those are your own words.Quote: SOOPOONareed is being a dork. He is referring to water.
Quote: HotBlondeYou did right here. This is what Nareed said mostly offended her:
Those are your own words.Quote: SOOPOONareed is being a dork. He is referring to water.
Thank you, HB. I hereby officially apologize to Nareed. I was too busy focusing on the subject matter to carefully choose the correct pronoun.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: HotBlondeYou did right here. This is what Nareed said mostly offended her:
Those are your own words.Quote: SOOPOONareed is being a dork. He is referring to water.
Thank you, HB. I hereby officially apologize to Nareed. I was too busy focusing on the subject matter to carefully choose the correct pronoun.
My wife, who has a degree in English, says that you have nothing to apologize for Soopoo, as "he" in modern English can be considered a "gender-neutral" pronoun. Of course, she added, some in society today find it to be prejudicial.
Anyway....can't we find more constructive things to talk about?
Quote: avargovQuote: SOOPOOQuote: HotBlondeYou did right here. This is what Nareed said mostly offended her:
Those are your own words.Quote: SOOPOONareed is being a dork. He is referring to water.
Thank you, HB. I hereby officially apologize to Nareed. I was too busy focusing on the subject matter to carefully choose the correct pronoun.
My wife, who has a degree in English, says that you have nothing to apologize for Soopoo, as "he" in modern English can be considered a "gender-neutral" pronoun. Of course, she added, some in society today find it to be prejudicial.
Anyway....can't we find more constructive things to talk about?
OF COURSE i agree with you! HB breaking the 190 barrier is what we should all be talking about. I'm NOT betting any more than I already have, but I think I would need to make HB a 1- 2 FAVORITE right now!
Quote: avargovMy wife, who has a degree in English, says that you have nothing to apologize for Soopoo, as "he" in modern English can be considered a "gender-neutral" pronoun.
Your wife couldn't be more wrong.
In the second place, you can use the pronoun "he" as neutral only when you're not referring to a specific person, and/or when the gender of a person is not known.
And in the first place, it's rude to use gender-neutral pronouns when referring to a specific person.
Quote:Anyway....can't we find more constructive things to talk about?
Not if you keep dredging this up.
Quote: Nareed
In the second place, you can use the pronoun "he" as neutral only when you're not referring to a specific person, and/OR when the gender of a person is not known.
Wouldn't this technically be the correct usage then? And if not, then the gender specific "he" would have been used correctly.
Moreover, I don't keep "dredging this up". I made one comment after days of discussion.
Quote: avargovWouldn't this technically be the correct usage then?
Now you're being deliberately offensive.
Either way, I have already asked that we discuss things that are relevant. I couldn't care less about your gender choice, it doesn't factor in my opinion of you. I find you to be a compelling poster that I enjoy reading. I do, however, feel SOOPOO was unjustly taken to task over a pronoun. I hope you can agree with that. If not, I fear I could be wrong in my assessment of your character, at least what is shown here.
reprehensible
Quote: avargovWongbo, we have been through this before. I have no, let me repeat that, no religious or political opinion at all on the issue. As I have said before, I couldn't care less what somebody chooses to do, unless it affects me personally. This nonsense certainly doesn't affect me. There is no grandstanding here. However, I will not back down from my stance regarding SOOPOO.
Quote: WongBoso you are now grandstanding to make a point because of some religious or political opinion you have about the subject.
reprehensible
Remember the last PM conversation we had?
Quote: WizardThis thread is a split-off from the Hot Blonde Challenge thread...
That explains why I completely missed all these arguments. Because of my own weight problems, and because I'll be in Vegas for G2E, two weeks before the weigh-in, I kinda ignored that thread.
Sadly, upon seeing this thread, the first thing I did was look up "dihydrogen monoxide."
Referring to Nareed as "he" is insulting, but for very different reasons than if someone were to refer to HotBlonde as "he."
It was gerenally understood, from her very first post, that it's extremely unlikely for any guy to call himself "HotBlonde." So HotBlonde is a "she" by default.
It's not so obvious for Nareed. First off, what the hell does "Nareed" mean? Secondly, forums such as this tend to be dominiated by guys. So shouldn't the use of "he" be excusable?
On the other hand, there are several undisputable facts about Nareed:
- She is the number 1 poster here.
- She has made many posts referring to her orientation, dress, and transformation.
- She has appeared, as a woman, at WoVCon ][, from which a group photo appeared here, which garnered some comments about her appearance. I forget if those comments drew a suspension, or just a warning.
- Most importantly, this topic comes up repeatedly.
On those points, it seems acceptable to vilify SooPoo for refering to Nareed as "he."
On the other other hand, and particularly since SooPoo has now apologized, can't his use of "he" be considered a brain fart and/or typo?
Dang it, let it go. Don't get so hung up on this type of thing.
Quote: DJTeddyBearOn the other other hand, and particularly since SooPoo has now apologized, can't his use of "he" be considered a brain fart and/or typo?
No.
In the first palce, that was not all that he did. In the second place, he repeated it over three posts and then denied he did it. In the third palce, he repeated the other insult at least once more, while flaunting that he got away with insulting me in the first place. In the fourth place, there are other things going on I cannot reveal per forum rules.
But let me give you some advice: when a woman tells you she's angry at you, thread carefully.
Quote: DJTeddyBearDang it, let it go. Don't get so hung up on this type of thing.
I can't. And I shouldn't, either.
There is still too much hostility towards the transgender. Using the wrong pronoun may seem to be a minor thing, but it isn't. using it on purpose, in repeated occasions, making a point to use it at every opportunity, is a way to disqualify, to belittle, to ridicule and to otherwise express hostility and contempt.
Consider that when you hear about people like Agnes Torres, Brandon Teena, Gwen Araujo and many other transgender women and men who wind up brutally murdered.
For me it is that serious.
Quote: NareedI can't. And I shouldn't, either.There is still too much hostility towards the transgender. Using the wrong pronoun may seem to be a minor thing, but it isn't. using it on purpose, in repeated occasions, making a point to use it at every opportunity, is a way to disqualify, to belittle, to ridicule and to otherwise express hostility and contempt. For me it is that serious.
People get to define what offends them. If they are totally clear an unambiguous then that is the end of the story. Other people have an obligation to respect their wish regardless of their own opinion.
My former half uncle is a trans-gender. People in my family refuse to use the feminine pronoun. They will take that attitude to their grave.
Quote: NareedQuote: DJTeddyBearOn the other other hand, and particularly since SooPoo has now apologized, can't his use of "he" be considered a brain fart and/or typo?
No.
In the first palce, that was not all that he did. In the second place, he repeated it over three posts and then denied he did it. In the third palce, he repeated the other insult at least once more, while flaunting that he got away with insulting me in the first place. In the fourth place, there are other things going on I cannot reveal per forum rules.
But let me give you some advice: when a woman tells you she's angry at you, thread carefully.
Nareed wants special rules applied to her. The single 'he' that I used was unintentional, I can assure you, as I didn't even remember doing it, and have since apologized for. As far as the 'dork' comment, I have told you and others that is something I wouldn't have even blinked an eye at had it been used to define me, or my loved ones. Nareed is just far too sensitive, always looking for an instance of being aggrieved, rather than trying to look at the overall context of what was said. I won't waste time with dredging up old quotes, but I recall MANY personal insults lobbed by Nareed at mkl in the good old days... I never once paid them any mind, nor begged the Wiz to suspend her. I am happy to release you from the 'can't share private message' rule, as I am extremely comfortable that anything I pm'd you I would be comfortable discussing in open forum. I just thought that YOU might not want to, so I was protecting YOUR privacy.
Really, Nareed, you need to channel some of your anger towards those you should be angry with, not the doctor who was ALWAYS willing to listen to your medical stories, provide specific advice, and ALWAYS respect your decision to live your life the way you see fit.
Hopefully you can make to Vegas in October for the HB weigh in, I'll buy you a beer, we will chat, and you won't hate me, I can promise you...
Quote: pacomartinMy former half uncle is a trans-gender. People in my family refuse to use the feminine pronoun. They will take that attitude to their grave.
I see neither do you.
Care to elaborate?Quote: NareedI see neither do you.
It sounds like you're taking offense to Paco's statement.
Quote: DJTeddyBearCare to elaborate?
It sounds like you're taking offense to Paco's statement.
I regret posting it a little since I don't know all the circumstances. But it is rather incongrous to use a male-specific term to refer to a woman, then complain the family does so as well.
but he does have to convey somehow that the person was born male.
what is proper? to say MTF? or to say my aunt who is transgendered?
Quote: pacomartinMy former half uncle is a trans-gender. People in my family refuse to use the feminine pronoun. They will take that attitude to their grave.
"Half" probably refers to some type of marriage situation, the similar to a "half brother." I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with being trans-gender.
"Former" is an establishing remark. Clearly indicating a status that no longer applies.
"People in my family..." excludes himself.
"They..." excludes himself.
It sounds like you are upset because you would have preferred if Paco had written, "My half aunt is ...." rather than "My former half uncle is ...."
If I have all the facst right, I find nothing wrong with what Paco did.
