AverageJOE
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May 11th, 2012 at 10:39:48 AM permalink
Casinos own your action to 100%
Why is there no organization that fight for full time players or customers rights?

I read about people who is winning playing on-line using Internet casinos.
They get banned with out any explanation - i find that strange that casinos own that right to ban with out telling why.

Maybe i am stupid - but then feel free put some light upon the subject.

I know full time professionals in Las Vegas that is not welcome for obvious reasons - but still is not right to ban some one from 100 casinos with out any explanation.
I wish there exist some way to force casinos towards explanation and give the person in question to argue against in court.

I read about people into sport betting witch get limited or banned from playing or place bets with out any explanation.
Sport-betting or casino play only welcome losers and not winners - that sucks.

That is a win"win situation to run a business that only welcome losers - that should not be legal.
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
FleaStiff
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May 11th, 2012 at 1:14:53 PM permalink
You want to go to court over it? That's fine.
In an Indian Casino, the tribe owns the court system and in Las Vegas the casino's own the entire state government, courts included.
So fine ... go to court.
Note for the finicky: Oh, okay... in Las Vegas that teachers union keeps making inroads in getting tax revenue for itself and more and more non-gambling places are paying taxes in the State of Nevada, but let's face it: The Casinos pay all the taxes!! They own the Gaming Commission. Gaming Board and Casino Execs are revolving doors. Sheriffs retire to Chief of Security for some casino outfit.

So where you going to go for a right to successfully count cards or a right to vary bets consonant with the count?
AverageJOE
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May 11th, 2012 at 1:26:31 PM permalink
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Court was the only option that come to mind and after reading what you state then there is no option as i see it.
Thank god i am not full time player and only have it as hobby.

Who could live with the stress and uncertainty being full time player - nothing glamor or luxury about it.
And who count cards - i hear they get exited over 1% edge ...
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
Ibeatyouraces
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May 11th, 2012 at 6:55:39 PM permalink
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Ibeatyouraces
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May 11th, 2012 at 6:57:47 PM permalink
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midwestgb
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May 11th, 2012 at 7:38:04 PM permalink
Quote: AverageJOE

Casinos own your action to 100%
Why is there no organization that fight for full time players or customers rights?



A great question.

Probably no such organizations have taken hold because gamblers are an independent breed by nature. Also, there is the stigma factor. If you are a casual or recreational gambler, you probably don't possess much interest in going public with your avocation for the usual reasons. For the Pro, well we know why they shun publicity.
LonesomeGambler
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May 11th, 2012 at 9:34:19 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The casino has around 1/2% edge and makes a ton of money.

What?! I'd put the average casino's total edge over all action at somewhere in the 10-15% range, easy.
odiousgambit
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May 12th, 2012 at 12:12:53 AM permalink
Quote: LonesomeGambler

What?! I'd put the average casino's total edge over all action at somewhere in the 10-15% range, easy.



I would lower that a bit, but that is more like it.

BTW a 1% edge is huge, I have to sign off now without a chance to look for it, but the wizard has a page on that somewhere.
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ahiromu
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May 12th, 2012 at 12:25:43 AM permalink
Quote: LonesomeGambler

What?! I'd put the average casino's total edge over all action at somewhere in the 10-15% range, easy.



The term is "hold". Even though the casino's edge is .5-1.5% on every (good) bet the fact that you go through your bankroll many times through, combined with making high HE bets, creates the casino's hold. I've heard this figure stated anywhere from 10-25%, I'm sure someone here can give you a better %.
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FleaStiff
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May 12th, 2012 at 12:29:37 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The casino has around 1/2% edge and makes a ton of money.

Ain't no casino what pays its light bill 'cause of dat half-percent edge!

Every BJ dealer standing there bored out of their skull learns the hard part is to keep from laughing at the player's decisions and to keep from saying "If you are losing... LEAVE". Most people play Blackjack at about 12 percent edge.

The Croupier gave a lousy eighty dollars to that sweaty scared man in the cheap suit ... who promptly started to leave the casino but only made it as far as the next roulette table!

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