Dice question?
December 9th, 2011 at 8:41:02 PM
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Can a player who is throwing the dice pick up their bet from the don't pass line, and continue to shoot the dice? One thing, the player does not want to bet on the pass line! Please help!!!
December 9th, 2011 at 9:26:26 PM
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I don't think so. It is a pretty strict rule that the shooter must have a pass or don't pass bet on the table. Then again, in the unlikely event that happened, I'm not sure who would shoot. I would imagine they would ask the next person in turn to shoot.
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December 9th, 2011 at 9:50:05 PM
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It seems to me that the player should be allowed to pick up the Don't Pass bet, regardless of being the shooter. It's no different than a right betting shooter abandoning the Pass bet mid-roll and giving up the dice. The next player completes the hand, then gets to roll his own.
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December 9th, 2011 at 11:07:51 PM
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You're right, it is no different. The shooter can pickup the DP bet, and the dice are offered to an eligible shooter who would like to continue the roll.Quote: DJTeddyBearIt seems to me that the player should be allowed to pick up the Don't Pass bet, regardless of being the shooter. It's no different than a right betting shooter abandoning the Pass bet mid-roll and giving up the dice. The next player completes the hand, then gets to roll his own.
The question I have never gotten a consistent answer to is this... if there is nobody else at the table, what happens to the point? For example, the DP shooter leaves the table with an established point. Some employees say they would just turn the puck over. But that would imply that if the DP shooter were the only person at the table, he could just ask to "reset" the point whenever he wanted to.
Somewhat related... I know at least in New Jersey, if the only person at the table has Come bets only(I imagine this could only happen if the previous shooter decided to leave after making a point), this person could shoot the dice until a decision was made on the Come bets without a bet on Pass Line.
December 10th, 2011 at 6:02:39 AM
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If the 2nd paragraph is true, it would be by far in the casinos' best interest to turn over the puck and let the player shoot again. The casino has a nice 13.89% advantage on the don't pass come out roll (8 combinations lose, 3 combinations win). A pass line player who walks away from his roll would lose his bet if there were no other shooters. I guess that the casino could just leave the bet out there until someone resolves it. If the casino closes the table, I imagine that they would just take the bet.
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December 10th, 2011 at 8:17:38 AM
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Quote: kaysirtapThe question I have never gotten a consistent answer to is this... if there is nobody else at the table, what happens to the point? For example, the DP shooter leaves the table with an established point. Some employees say they would just turn the puck over. But that would imply that if the DP shooter were the only person at the table, he could just ask to "reset" the point whenever he wanted to.
If there's nobody else at the table, and the shooter picks up his DP wager (and doesn't have a pass bet), there *is* no point. The bet is done when it's picked up, and yes, the implication is correct. I saw a high-roller doing this once at Caesars, betting with $500 chips on the don't by himself at a reserved table. There was a guard nearby attempting but failing to control passing traffic; that's how I got close enough to see the action. On the come-out, he'd just wave off 6s and 8s, and the crew would just send the dice back to him without moving the puck.
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December 10th, 2011 at 10:07:21 AM
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Waving off 6s and 8s?
Duh.
Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.
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Duh.
Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.
Love it.
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December 10th, 2011 at 11:24:23 AM
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I've had that happen...floor came over...said "no shooter, no game" and they scooped all bets on the table...i actually did this on purpose just to see what would happen...so I only had a $2 DC out there...floor said there's no rules on dice, its THEIR table, they'll do what they want...
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December 10th, 2011 at 1:35:47 PM
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Quote: HardrockRebelCan a player who is throwing the dice pick up their bet from the don't pass line, and continue to shoot the dice? One thing, the player does not want to bet on the pass line! Please help!!!
I don 't know about the Pass Line, but I have thrown the dice without any money on the Pass, Don't pass, Come or Don't Come Line.
I was at a table with only one other player. I had established 3 Don't Come bets. The shooter made his point and was coming out again. I still had my 3 DC bets. The shooter threw something like 3, 11, 3, 12, 2 and decided he had enough and he left. I was the only one left at the table. They passed the dice to me and asked if I wanted to shoot. I said no. They waited a while to see if anyone was going to buy into the game. No one did and they wanted to give me back my DC bets. I told them that I wasn't taking them down. It was a slow night and they wanted to close the table but they couldn't because I still had my DC bets up . They finally gave up waiting and allowed me to throw the dice just so a decision could be made and they could close the table. I think I knocked off one of my DC bets and then sevened out.
December 10th, 2011 at 2:26:38 PM
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Quote: boymimboWaving off 6s and 8s?
Duh.
Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.
Love it.
Exactly why they allowed him to do it! He survived the hard part and decided to push when he had the "advantage" and start back at Step 1. They'll let him do that all night long!
December 10th, 2011 at 5:36:35 PM
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shooter may pick up the DP bet if he immediately makes a pass line bet, not a place the point bet, which then must stay until decided,
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December 10th, 2011 at 10:07:40 PM
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Quote: boymimboWaving off 6s and 8s?
Duh.
Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.
Love it.
And that's why he had the table to himself with a security guard...
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December 23rd, 2011 at 6:32:24 PM
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If the shooter is on the Dont Pass line and removes his bet the stickman throws the dice
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:00:18 PM
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Quote: boymimboWaving off 6s and 8s?
Duh.
Casino edge = 5/36 - 6/36*1/3 - 8/36*2/10 = 3.889%
vs 1.364% for leaving the bet up on the 6 / 8.
Love it.
I know!
I cringe every time I see this. I want to just walk up to them and say "Geez, I'll buy these from you for a buck each". This would be a SURE way to make a LOT of money... at just $25 min bets I would be operating at way better rake that the casino, with ZERO overhead. Talk about your "statistical cash cow"...
Anything... a $24 place bet... even a $25 BIG 6/8, anything; but NEVER EVER take down an established don't bet... it's a SIN!
Makes me cringe.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1.
The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
December 24th, 2011 at 12:14:20 AM
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Quote: discflickerI know! I cringe
It's a good example of going by your gut instead of the math. The darkside shooter roots for a 4 or 10, 5 or 9; I too find myself wanting those points by gut. It makes no sense, though, since the bet pays less. Actually if anything you want those 6s and 8s and say to yourself, "these are the points I need to make" as making them builds your bankroll and the others build too damn slowly. Nonetheless by gut I want the easier numbers.
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December 24th, 2011 at 7:39:35 AM
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One of my "don't" strategies is just that..
I start out with a dont pass line bet. If the shooter throws a 5, 6 or and 8, I lay 5x base on it and just wait it out (maxpayout on the 6 and 8, like you said). But if any other number, I immediately use it as a hedge against, for example, "place one unit on the 5, 6 and 8 and make a field bet". The 4, 9 or 10 don't number becomes an immediate hedge against the field bet, and I win on every roll after that until you know what.
I have this simulated in my "TheBetMaker" software. If you like, you can download it and play it right now for free, just let me know and I will set you up.
marty
I start out with a dont pass line bet. If the shooter throws a 5, 6 or and 8, I lay 5x base on it and just wait it out (maxpayout on the 6 and 8, like you said). But if any other number, I immediately use it as a hedge against, for example, "place one unit on the 5, 6 and 8 and make a field bet". The 4, 9 or 10 don't number becomes an immediate hedge against the field bet, and I win on every roll after that until you know what.
I have this simulated in my "TheBetMaker" software. If you like, you can download it and play it right now for free, just let me know and I will set you up.
marty
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1.
The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:27:26 AM
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Quote: discflickerI have this simulated in my "TheBetMaker" software. If you like, you can download it and play it right now for free, just let me know and I will set you up.
marty
I have and do use Wincraps. Do I need "TheBetMaker" software if I have Wincraps?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 25th, 2011 at 7:41:09 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitI have and do use Wincraps. Do I need "TheBetMaker" software if I have Wincraps?
NOPE!!
Wincraps is a far superior product to TheBetMaker.
Good on you for using something like this to back up your claims.
I hope you're doing that. You are, right?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1.
The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
December 25th, 2011 at 9:20:02 AM
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You may have my claims mixed up with someone else's claims, but I do use Wincraps all the time and anytime I would make a claim that should be checked out, Wincraps gets put into use.
I find it is not all that user-friendly when it come to setting up your own auto-bet ideas, otherwise it is great. For some reason I like to take a certain set of outcomes and run it different ways, asking questions like "what if this guy played the darkside instead? what if he had maxed on 20x free odds instead of having only 3x4x5x?" Some of the answers are surprising.
I find it is not all that user-friendly when it come to setting up your own auto-bet ideas, otherwise it is great. For some reason I like to take a certain set of outcomes and run it different ways, asking questions like "what if this guy played the darkside instead? what if he had maxed on 20x free odds instead of having only 3x4x5x?" Some of the answers are surprising.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
December 25th, 2011 at 9:30:04 AM
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Right, and WinCraps has a way of saving the roll stream so you can re-play it against the other strategy and get your question actually answered. Yes its a fine product, although a bit cumbersome to use.
Mine is Mickey-mouse compared to it (the simulation parts of it), but mine is multi-user world-wide, so everyone here could play at the same time against each other, with live dice rolls, but before I hijck this thread, I will shut up and leave. If you want to try it, contact me, thanks.
Mine is Mickey-mouse compared to it (the simulation parts of it), but mine is multi-user world-wide, so everyone here could play at the same time against each other, with live dice rolls, but before I hijck this thread, I will shut up and leave. If you want to try it, contact me, thanks.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1.
The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
