lifeislife
lifeislife
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November 16th, 2011 at 12:20:29 AM permalink
I regularly play blackjack at Casino de Montreal in Montreal, despite the not-so-great rules, due to the monopoly that the Quebec Government has on gambling. Anyway, there are many players that have superstitions about "the run of the cards" and how playing that extra spot could change the entire deck to a losing one. Obviously, no basis in reality but if I am about to join a table and a bettor nicely asks me to let him play alone to conserve the order of the cards, and there are other open tables, there's no way I'd reject. I mean it's their business to do what they like, and if it doesn't harm me, then so be it. What happened two weeks ago was different, though. I was in a similar situation, down so far for the night, when I started to sit down at a table where just one other man was playing. As soon as I placed my bet, the man, who was already playing two spots, says "No, my table. You can't play. Get off."
Hated the way he said it, wasn't in a mood, so I ignored him and asked the dealer if this was a "no-mid shoe entry table". She clearly felt uncomfortable but told me it wasn't so I sat down and put one spot. The man took away one of his spots to preserve the "run of the cards." The first hand, I got a blackjack and the man said "That was my hand, idiot." I still ignored him but at this point I actually got mad...he actually started name-calling; I put an extra bet down so now there were three hands total. The man cursed, took out his last bet, so that there were two hands left, and waited. The hand right after, I took back my bet...no more run of the cards, back to just one bet. Now at this point, if I wasn't a fairly big and threatening looking guy I'm sure he would've tried to hit me, but hey, I'm the most respectful person until someone looks me in the eye and talks to me like an idiot. Either way, I kept adjusting my bets for the next minute so that he'd have to adjust his to "preserve the run of the cards" until he got fed up and just left.

I know I was really immature, no need to point that out. If it makes any of you feel better, I did end up losing for the night :) But was I in the wrong to a. play on the table after he was rude to me about leaving, and b. to provoke him after he called me an idiot for getting the blackjack? Like I said before, I've gladly given in to people's superstitions if they were nice or even neutral about it. Thanks for any comments.
kaysirtap
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November 16th, 2011 at 1:44:18 AM permalink
You have the right to play wherever you want as long as it's permitted by the casino. If it were me, I may have sat at the table and watched him finish the shoe - you can't really lose that way. If the other guy finishes the shoe by himself and loses, you can show him what an idiot he is for believing that there is some kind of order to the cards. And if he ends up winning, you look like a nice guy. I wouldn't say you were in the wrong. Casinos are for entertainment... if you're not winning money, you've got to have your fun somehow.
odiousgambit
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November 16th, 2011 at 1:48:48 AM permalink
If there was now where else to play the guy should have known he just has to accept another player, no way you were wrong. I suppose you shouldnt have gone on to provoke him further, but you get a pass with me. I got disgusted with racetracks partly from the crazies like this you would run into; havent had it happen in BJ but I am a newbie at that.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
lifeislife
lifeislife
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November 16th, 2011 at 3:19:20 AM permalink
Sorry if I misled anyone; there were other empty tables, but I chose to spite him because of how he talked to me. I agree that I shouldn't have provoked further; shows poor etiquette, but definitely nowhere near as poor as his.
essel1
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November 16th, 2011 at 3:41:22 AM permalink
I would have played there just to spite him,,and totally agree with what you did. If someone asks politely I dont mind not playing a few hands or going to another table, but if he is rude, I would play there and get in his face. Its happened to me many a time, (have been playing for over 20 years) I am not even big in size, only 5/1...lol...but they can hardly hit me in the casino and get away with it.
Provoking him further was also ok, because he started the name calling first so once again you did the absolutely right thing.
If anything I would have provoked him more. Cheers
dealerwins
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November 16th, 2011 at 4:07:00 AM permalink
I agree 100% with the OP. I would have placed bets on 3 boxes for the 1st hand, that would screw him and his rudeness immediately LOL
s2dbaker
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November 16th, 2011 at 4:09:50 AM permalink
Yes, you were wrong! The moment that he called you an idiot, you should have played three hands right away to bust up his "run of the cards". If he's going to call you an idiot, you may as well have some fun and actually deserve the shade he 's throwing at you.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
Johnzimbo
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November 16th, 2011 at 4:59:09 AM permalink
Eff him. I would have done whatever I could to piss him off.
boymimbo
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November 16th, 2011 at 5:19:02 AM permalink
Some people need to be adjusted.

People don't want you to "ruin the shoe" but the tendency to allow someone to enter has to do with how the cards are doing. I think it's pretty common etiquette to ask existing players in a shoe dealt game whether you can join or not. Sometimes some players will want you to wait until the cards turn bad. Personally, I don't care as I know a run of cards may turn bad at any moment (unless the count is ridiculously in the player's favor).

There was nothing wrong with what you did. The player was rude. I am sure if he asked you nicely to hold back you would have, but he was completely rude. When someone gets rude on you, I tend to make the same behaviour to mess him up.
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teddys
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November 16th, 2011 at 6:00:17 AM permalink
Absolutely you were in the right. If he wanted to play by himself, he should have gone to high limit tables.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4

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