iwannaiguana
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July 19th, 2011 at 11:57:46 AM permalink
I was just thinking about all the kinds of professional gamblers. I can only think of 3: blackjack, poker, and sports betting.

For me to consider someone a professional gambler their primary source of income needs to be gambling, and they need to consistently be making enough yearly income to support themselves by playing +EV games.

Are there any other games you can find in a casino where people make a living nowadays?
Nareed
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July 19th, 2011 at 12:04:01 PM permalink
Do you include VP in poker?

Both Bob Dancer and Jerry Logan (Singer), at least, claim to be able to make a living from VP.
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July 19th, 2011 at 12:12:57 PM permalink
I think some folks make a consistent living hole-carding on games like Mississippi Stud or 3 card poker. It's kind of cheating, but it's a repeatable money-making system.
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July 19th, 2011 at 12:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Do you include VP in poker?

Both Bob Dancer and Jerry Logan (Singer), at least, claim to be able to make a living from VP.



I don't think either Logan or Singer (or both if you prefer to think of them as one entity) claimed to make a living from it. Just a lot of money. Subtle difference, no doubt.
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iwannaiguana
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July 19th, 2011 at 12:47:48 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Do you include VP in poker?

Both Bob Dancer and Jerry Logan (Singer), at least, claim to be able to make a living from VP.



I would not include VP. There are machines that can be played profitably, but they are only available at lower limits. There has been at least one notable occasion where a casino screwed up and put a + EV VP in the high roller room, but the chances of finding a machine like this are few and far between. As far as I know there are no documented cases of players making a living off of VP.

If a casino sees a VP machine is consistently losing money they are not going to be stupid enough to leave it out.
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July 19th, 2011 at 12:58:32 PM permalink
Quote: iwannaiguana

I was just thinking about all the kinds of professional gamblers. I can only think of 3: blackjack, poker, and sports betting.

For me to consider someone a professional gambler their primary source of income needs to be gambling, and they need to consistently be making enough yearly income to support themselves by playing +EV games.

Are there any other games you can find in a casino where people make a living nowadays?



I think that I've mentioned on here before that I had an uncle who made his living handicapping thoroughbred racehorses. Somebody else replied that his uncle had also made a living doing the same thing. So there's one other kind of professional gambler playing a positive EV game.

Lyle Stuart was supposed to have been a professional baccarat player, but also made money publishing. The idea of playing baccarat professionally seems bizarre to me, and baccarat is my favourite game.
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July 19th, 2011 at 1:19:39 PM permalink
How about being a casino owner?
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July 19th, 2011 at 1:48:40 PM permalink
Quote: kp

How about being a casino owner?


That didn't work out so well for Sam Nazarian, did it?
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Nareed
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July 19th, 2011 at 2:12:19 PM permalink
Quote: iwannaiguana

If a casino sees a VP machine is consistently losing money they are not going to be stupid enough to leave it out.



Fair enough. But a skilled player can win while many others lose and still the machine would turn a profit.

How about this. Would you consider a person who plays VP and publishes books about it to be a professional gambler, provided all his income is derived from play and books about VP?
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July 19th, 2011 at 2:16:30 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Would you consider a person who plays VP and publishes books about it to be a professional gambler, provided all his income is derived from play and books about VP?


Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Or write books.
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