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EvenBob
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:23:19 AM permalink
This happened on the 8th:

http://bethlehem.patch.com/articles/finders-keepers-keepers-arrested

Its something I constantly tell my wife, if you see money on the casino floor, leave it there, do not pick it up.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/27018560/detail.html

This guy was arrested for picking up $15.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:50:27 AM permalink
He was probably arrested for the publicity value of getting an article in the paper about not picking up dropped money on the floor of a casino.
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March 21st, 2011 at 4:09:59 AM permalink
I once found a black $100 Bellagio chip on the floor of Planet Hollywood. I had to kick it away from the feet of the slot player so I could pick it up all inconspicuous-like, but then I hightailed it outta there. I sorta liked the way it looked, so I asked an acquaintance to ride his motorcycle over to Bellagio and look for some more. He found a buncha $25,000 cranberries in the craps area instead and offered them to me at $10,000 each for his troubles.

I said no.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:13:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This happened on the 8th:

http://bethlehem.patch.com/articles/finders-keepers-keepers-arrested

Its something I constantly tell my wife, if you see money on the casino floor, leave it there, do not pick it up.



This is really sad because the lady who got arrested didn't pick up "cash", it was an envelope (which she took to the ladies room to open) that she claimed was empty when she picked it up.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:22:37 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

This is really sad because the lady who got arrested didn't pick up "cash", it was an envelope (which she took to the ladies room to open) that she claimed was empty when she picked it up.



It's not that bad, other than for the inconvenience she experienced. Unless they have her on camera opening the envelope and taking out the cash (which they wouldn't if she did not peek into it before going in and the cameras caught a glimpse of the cash) then they have no proof she isn't telling the truth and she'll be released.

I guess the moral of the story is you should turn in anything you find in a casino--which I don't agree with. I once found one of those black $100 chips on the floor at the cashier at the Hard Rock and just cashed it in while I did what I went there to do. I also found $300 in 20's on the floor of Terribles right near an ATM and kept it. My biggest find was sitting on a roll of hundreds ($1500) to play vp at the Mirage, and I kept that too. I never heard that finders can't keep what they find until this story came out.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:25:14 PM permalink
Quote: RobSinger

I never heard that finders can't keep what they find until this story came out.


They can't, if found in that manner. Or they can if they aren't caught, else it's up to time.

It's not like you found a gold nugget in Colorado River.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:30:45 PM permalink
"Finder's Keepers, Loser Weepers" is merely a childhood school ground chant and not actually part of the law. $1500 left on the floor of the casino isn't yours, as merely leaving something behind does not mean the owner has relinquished all rights to it.
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:33:44 PM permalink
Quote: RobSinger

I never heard that finders can't keep what they find until this story came out.


What if you dropped the keys to your car and someone "found" your car. Same thing.

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March 21st, 2011 at 1:35:47 PM permalink
Quote: P90

They can't, if found in that manner. Or they can if they aren't caught, else it's up to time.

It's not like you found a gold nugget in Colorado River.



And even then depends who has the mineral rights to the Colorado....
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March 21st, 2011 at 1:39:17 PM permalink
Hey, in some neighborhoods in this country, if you leave something of value unguarded on your porch, its fair game to be taken by somebody. And if they get caught, they'll swear up and down its your fault for leaving it there and they aren't guilty of anything. Same thing if you leave your car unlocked.
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March 21st, 2011 at 2:03:09 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

"Finder's Keepers, Loser Weepers" is merely a childhood school ground chant and not actually part of the law. $1500 left on the floor of the casino isn't yours, as merely leaving something behind does not mean the owner has relinquished all rights to it.



So I've been lucky on that end. But I guess it's close to being evened out since I lost my wallet in the early '90's at the Ramada Express with $2100. None of it was returned and the resulting hassle was a joy to behold.
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March 21st, 2011 at 2:06:36 PM permalink
Quote: Matt Assad, OF THE MORNING CALL


At Pennsylvania casinos, no finders keepers

It's a scene repeated almost daily in each of Pennsylvania's 10 casinos, where most of the nearly 2,400 thefts investigated over the past three years are the kind of incidents that, outside the casinos, would be considered little more than lost money.

Most of the incidents involve someone either finding money and keeping it, playing credits someone else left on a slot machine, or cashing in a voucher someone left behind. All are illegal.

Technically, keeping money someone lost without making some effort to return it is illegal anywhere in Pennsylvania, Caprari noted. But outside the casino there's no way to enforce the law. So, if you find money on the street, it's generally yours to keep.

"If someone loses money on the street, there is no real way of proving they really lost it and no way of proving who found it," Caprari said. "But we have more than 2,000 cameras viewing every corner of this casino. We can and will investigate."



It's hard to imagine getting arrested for playing credits someone else left on a slot machine.
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March 21st, 2011 at 2:19:43 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

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It's hard to imagine getting arrested for playing credits someone else left on a slot machine.



Not only that, whenever I've landed at a machine with credits on it I have always told an attendant because it's just too obvious. What do they always say? "Go ahead and get the ticket or play them because we can't". I guess that falls under the due dilligence of making some effort to return them.
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March 21st, 2011 at 4:46:31 PM permalink



>>It's hard to imagine getting arrested for playing credits someone else left on a slot machine.<<

In Vegas street people cruise the slots all day looking for money in the machines. Must not be illegal there.
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March 21st, 2011 at 6:41:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

>>It's hard to imagine getting arrested for playing credits someone else left on a slot machine.<<

In Vegas street people cruise the slots all day looking for money in the machines. Must not be illegal there.

More likely, it would be bad for P.R. to prosecute someone who was merely trying to scrape up a couple bucks for lunch.
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March 21st, 2011 at 7:44:37 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

More likely, it would be bad for P.R. to prosecute someone who was merely trying to scrape up a couple bucks for lunch.



I imagine that all of these cases are only pursued if someone lodges a complaint. The example at the Sands was probably only investigated because someone said they lost the money.
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March 21st, 2011 at 8:03:47 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

More likely, it would be bad for P.R. to prosecute someone who was merely trying to scrape up a couple bucks for lunch.



In an article I read, it said the people who live in the sewer system under Vegas prowl the Strip casinos all day long looking at slots for left money. Sometimes they make hundreds a day, a lot of days they make nothing. The have beds and furniture in some places under Vegas, its like an underground Hooverville. Or Obamaville these days.
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March 21st, 2011 at 8:12:17 PM permalink
OK. So maybe it's more than a couple bucks for lunch.

Even though those people make hundreds tax free, who do you think the media will paint as the bully?
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March 21st, 2011 at 9:55:27 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

OK. So maybe it's more than a couple bucks for lunch.

Even though those people make hundreds tax free, who do you think the media will paint as the bully?



That article was a few years ago, with the unemployment in Vegas, the number of people cruising the slots has probably doubled. I read a recent article that said casinos are very bad at running off the street people, they have too many players that look like bums and security can't tell the difference. Pretty funny.
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