Poll

15 votes (41.66%)
18 votes (50%)
3 votes (8.33%)

36 members have voted

FleaStiff
FleaStiff
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
March 19th, 2011 at 1:55:36 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If it doesn't have exactly the same games as Vegas, its not a casino in my book.

True. There are surely defects in the various local operations. Some local casinos do not have the desired games, some local casinos simply have skimpy offerings and are somewhat poorly run operations.

I think that more and more people are going to the local casinos though. While there, they may hoist a few and drink a toast to Las Vegas. Their hearts may be in Las Vegas and their dreams may be in Las Vegas, but their wallets are in the local casinos. Its travel time, travel costs, airport delays and indignities, etc.

Many people still look forward to "the real thing" from time to time, but they are going to the local offerings as being "good enough" in view of the convenience factor.

Would I play slots at an Indian casino? No way!! However, I rarely play slots in Las Vegas. A slot machine in Las Vegas is where I park my companion. A slot machine in an Indian casino is where I park my companion and wince! The floor personnel in the Indian casinos here seem downright rude and I often view them as rejects from other gambling locations.

In Florida, craps is available but only on the day boats which usually means a 45 minute buffet while sailing into international waters. Such boats have slots as well as BJ and other offerings. The boats are hurting of course because the Indian casinos are open all the time and don't impose a 45 minute waiting period. And face it, the craps games on the boats are usually max bet 500 with would-be dice setters slowing things down from time to time. The dice crews are often trainees or if experienced are not getting much in tips and therefore seem to be inattentive.

The future? More and more people will be opting for their local casinos. They may do it regretfully but they will be doing it.
RonC
RonC
Joined: Jan 18, 2010
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 4874
March 19th, 2011 at 6:59:47 AM permalink
The option I would have chosen is that I plan to INCREASE the number of trips I take to Vegas from 1 to 1-2 trips per year. I know that is not a huge increase (maybe .5 per year over the next three years or so), but it reflects that the kids are older and I enjoy gambling trips.

Vegas is far from perfect, but the gambling experience is much more fun for me when we are there. The casinos in Louisiana are a three hour drive from here; Vegas is a three hour flight. It does cost more to go to Vegas, of course. It isn't just a cost issue. The casinos in Louisiana, as in most "local casino" areas are pretty far apart. You need to drive to get between many of them (some areas do provide a bus)...well, I am not driving and gambling because I just may enjoy an adult beverage with my gaming action.

I also don't like to play when things are just not "fun"...it may not be anything more than money is being lost faster than I like...or it may be a crappy set of dealers...but I stop when the "fun" is not there. If I am in Louisiana, that is it for the time being...

That is not an issue in Vegas. On the strip or downtown, if you don't like the "action" at one casino, literally dozens of options are within easy stumbling distance. I played in 5-6 casinos while walking from Bally's to Treasure Island...and I skipped a few of them. I walked in every one of them, looked at the table limits for craps, and either played or moved on. I tried Rapid Craps or whatever that ridiculous thing is (I hated it...your mileage may vary...we are all different), I signed up for some clubs I will never play in again (most likely...Westin Causerina) and I had a grand time.

So...our best "area" casino for me is an NA casino that appears to play fairly because of they have to draw folks 40 miles further into Louisiana from Texas. They have good table limits and decent rooms. That casino, and the other two near it (one is very nice but has too high of minimums for me), are okay...BUT THEY AREN'T VEGAS!!!!!

So...I am trying to add a trip to Vegas in the fall to our usual winter trip...
JohnnyQ
JohnnyQ
Joined: Nov 3, 2009
  • Threads: 231
  • Posts: 3409
March 19th, 2011 at 9:21:28 AM permalink
I think the higher airfares will cut back on trips to LV, at least until
the higher prices have lost their sticker shock.

I think LV is still a good destination, and a good spot to fly to in
order to get to Utah, the Grand Canyon, etc.
Like the castle in its corner In a medieval game; I foresee terrible trouble And I stay here just the same
gofaster87
gofaster87
Joined: Mar 19, 2011
  • Threads: 3
  • Posts: 445
March 19th, 2011 at 9:33:18 AM permalink
.....
TIMSPEED
TIMSPEED
Joined: Aug 11, 2010
  • Threads: 89
  • Posts: 1246
March 19th, 2011 at 9:37:02 AM permalink
I live in the Central Valley of California. There are 5 casino's all within a 2 hour radius. These are nice BIG Indian casino's...however, I have played at ALL of them, and I've come to realize...they do not have good video poker, nor do they have craps...but the MAIN thing is, how hard it is to get comps. I've tried, HARD, and it still doesn't even hold a CANDLE to what I get in Reno for my money.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
SOOPOO
SOOPOO
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
  • Threads: 111
  • Posts: 7967
March 19th, 2011 at 9:47:09 AM permalink
I live 25 minutes drive to Seneca Niagara, a perfectly acceptable casino for me. I do not think my Vegas going trips have decreased becuse of that. I look at Vegas as a vacation. I look at my local casino as something to do for a day, akin to a football game, or going to the movies. I do think that there are enough people who just want to gamble and will choose to stay local and that will be a major obstacle for Vegas to overcome.
gofaster87
gofaster87
Joined: Mar 19, 2011
  • Threads: 3
  • Posts: 445
March 19th, 2011 at 9:48:10 AM permalink
"I live in the Central Valley of California. There are 5 casino's all within a 2 hour radius. These are nice BIG Indian casino's...however, I have played at ALL of them, and I've come to realize...they do not have good video poker, nor do they have craps...but the MAIN thing is, how hard it is to get comps. I've tried, HARD, and it still doesn't even hold a CANDLE to what I get in Reno for my money."


Which Casinos are you local to? My parents frequent Chumash Casino in Santa Ynez.
pacomartin
pacomartin
Joined: Jan 14, 2010
  • Threads: 649
  • Posts: 7895
March 19th, 2011 at 11:53:03 AM permalink
Quote: gofaster87

"I live in the Central Valley of California. There are 5 casino's all within a 2 hour radius. These are nice BIG Indian casino's...however, I have played at ALL of them, and I've come to realize...they do not have good video poker, nor do they have craps...but the MAIN thing is, how hard it is to get comps. I've tried, HARD, and it still doesn't even hold a CANDLE to what I get in Reno for my money."


Which Casinos are you local to? My parents frequent Chumash Casino in Santa Ynez.



Comparing Downtown Las Vegas to Reno over a 5 year period they both have had gaming revenue decay 25%-27%.
Dtown $662m-$497m -25.0% (includes Stratosphere)
Reno $763m-$560m -26.6% (includes Atlantis & Peppermill)

But in terms of profit Reno is showing a lot less red ink. I thought Reno might nearly vanish because of Indian competition, but it seems to be holding on by offering a better deal.Reno is doing better because there wasn't any land speculation or buying or selling casinos that resulted in huge long term debt.
benbakdoff
benbakdoff
Joined: Jul 13, 2010
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 448
March 19th, 2011 at 1:24:35 PM permalink
Quote: woodytyme

I just checked and it would cost aprox $400 for airfare (from Ohio) plus $200 for a decent hotel room Downtown (5 nites). I recently spent 2 days at a West Virginia casino about an hour drive from my house. Played lots of $1-2 limit hold'em and quite a bit of craps (10X odds) and got in some greyhound racing. Stayed at a Super 8 about 7 miles from the casino. Total cost - $300 for room, gambling and gas. In other words, I can make 2 trips to a local casino for what it costs just to fly to Vegas! And considering the offers that I usually get and didn't after my last trip to Vegas, an hour drive is looking a lot better than 4 hour flight!



My wife and I are going back to Vegas in June and booked through Priceline a couple of weeks before Christmas. Here's what we got: Round trip airfare from Providence R.I. to Las Vegas with a 45 minute stop in Atlanta and 7 nights at MGM Grand. Total price $401 per person. We just checked the price for the same trip a few minutes ago and it's now $854 per person.

I'm sharing this to show that if you're able to plan 6 months ahead, there are some deals to be had. We've done it before.
pacomartin
pacomartin
Joined: Jan 14, 2010
  • Threads: 649
  • Posts: 7895
March 19th, 2011 at 1:40:25 PM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

My wife and I are going back to Vegas in June and booked through Priceline a couple of weeks before Christmas. Here's what we got: Round trip airfare from Providence R.I. to Las Vegas with a 45 minute stop in Atlanta and 7 nights at MGM Grand. Total price $401 per person. We just checked the price for the same trip a few minutes ago and it's now $854 per person.



Logically, you would think that Atlantic City would be able to capitalize on having rooms within driving distance of almost 20 million people.

Yet, it looks like revenue is dropping at 11 out of 11 casinos (relative to last year).

  • Jump to: