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I know that differing countries have differing customs, and differing games use differing decks, that are not 52 cards, or ranked 2-A, or are hearts-clubs-diamonds-spades.
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
Quote: GenoDRPhSo I opened up a new deck of cards today. Nothing special, dollar store purchase and for my purposes, good enough. I got to wondering how I would change a standard, 52 card deck of cards if I could. Would I add another suit? Would I add another rank? Would I make the four suits each a different color (I know it;s been tried before, with a somewhat poor reception)?
I know that differing countries have differing customs, and differing games use differing decks, that are not 52 cards, or ranked 2-A, or are hearts-clubs-diamonds-spades.
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
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Doesn't Rook have both a 14th rank and all four suits as different colors?
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So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPh
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
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Look at "Super Jumbo" faces.
As for me, I'd look to the Tarot deck, and consider borrowing a fourth court rank - cavalier.
edit: I misremembered. USPCC calls the face I was thinking of the "Large Print" index style. Maybe they used to be called Super Jumbo.
Quote: RideTheEdgeI bought a deck with 64 cards that had 3 attributes per card rather than just the two of rank and suit. I think they were rank (1-4) shape (e.g. square, circle, triangle, star) and color (maybe red, green, blue, yellow) 4*4*4=64.
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This almost sounds like Set.
Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPh
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
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Getting rid of the pips is a good idea. I'd also have each suit a different color. Getting rid of the pips and having a large suit ID in the center of the card would help colorblind players!
What do we think of having the rank on each of the four corners, and not just the two opposite corners?
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPh
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
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Getting rid of the pips is a good idea. I'd also have each suit a different color. Getting rid of the pips and having a large suit ID in the center of the card would help colorblind players!
What do we think of having the rank on each of the four corners, and not just the two opposite corners?
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Already available.
https://independentliving.com/low-vision-playing-cards/
(No pecuniary interest.)
Quote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPh
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
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Getting rid of the pips is a good idea. I'd also have each suit a different color. Getting rid of the pips and having a large suit ID in the center of the card would help colorblind players!
What do we think of having the rank on each of the four corners, and not just the two opposite corners?
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Already available.
https://independentliving.com/low-vision-playing-cards/
(No pecuniary interest.)
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Maybe something a little more subtle!
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPh
So if YOU could change one thing about a deck of playing cards, what would it be?
I would get rid of the pips and just have a large suit symbol like most video poker games do.
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Getting rid of the pips is a good idea. I'd also have each suit a different color. Getting rid of the pips and having a large suit ID in the center of the card would help colorblind players!
What do we think of having the rank on each of the four corners, and not just the two opposite corners?
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Already available.
https://independentliving.com/low-vision-playing-cards/
(No pecuniary interest.)
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Maybe something a little more subtle!
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You answered your own question and took the words right out of my mouth. ;)
Quote: DieterAlready available.
https://independentliving.com/low-vision-playing-cards/
(No pecuniary interest.)
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Apparently i need the Pips.
I saw that hand as a 3, pair of kings, and pair of ACES because 1 pip. :o
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What do we think of having the rank on each of the four corners, and not just the two opposite corners?
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Having the rank in all four corners is fairly common in some European decks.
They introduced culturally diverse cards in the second round, but I didn't buy those. Maybe if I see some good reviews…
1- Standard small two color corner index. That way there’s no change for people that like to squeeze the cards.
2- Flip the face cards. Usually they have a larger pip right next to the corner pip. That’s redundant. Once removed and the face is flipped, that’s a lot of empty space for large index.
3- For goofy home games, even though flipped, you can still see the suicide king and one eyed jacks.
4- Use that extra space for a huge index with a small white space where it blocks the picture.
5- Four color for the second index. Much easier to see flushes.
6- Words next to the numbers. That’s a huge help for the 6 & 9 and a bonus for the other cards.
With these changes, it would be very easy to see the board from any seat when playing Hold Em. And for seeing players up cards in Stud.
Quote: DJTeddyBearHere’s a design I came up with over 10 years ago. I keep showing it to card manufacturers at G2E, hoping that someday, one of them will make them.
1- Standard small two color corner index. That way there’s no change for people that like to squeeze the cards.
2- Flip the face cards. Usually they have a larger pip right next to the corner pip. That’s redundant. Once removed and the face is flipped, that’s a lot of empty space for large index.
3- For goofy home games, even though flipped, you can still see the suicide king and one eyed jacks.
4- Use that extra space for a huge index with a small white space where it blocks the picture.
5- Four color for the second index. Much easier to see flushes.
6- Words next to the numbers. That’s a huge help for the 6 & 9 and a bonus for the other cards.
With these changes, it would be very easy to see the board from any seat when playing Hold Em. And for seeing players up cards in Stud.
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I don't care for that at all.
I just had to look up the conventions for Skat and they use a different four (yellow diamonds, green spades, red hearts, black clubs).
(It's definitely playing up the idea of a "rainbow board".)
Yeah.Quote: DieterDJ, any reasoning behind your color choices?
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Hearts are obviously red.
Spades can’t beat the somewhat racist phrase ‘As black as the ace of spades.’
Clubs look like clovers so green.
Diamonds are blue partially because of Blue Diamond brand almonds.
Besides, I’m not the first to think up those colors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck#Poker
Quote: DJTeddyBearYeah.Quote: DieterDJ, any reasoning behind your color choices?
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Hearts are obviously red.
Spades can’t beat the somewhat racist phrase ‘As black as the ace of spades.’
Clubs look like clovers so green.
Diamonds are blue partially because of Blue Diamond brand almonds.
Besides, I’m not the first to think up those colors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck#Poker
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Fair enough. I just get curious when there is more than one standard to choose from.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck#Poker
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Has anyone here actually played with a four color deck? If so, what did you think?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck#Poker
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Has anyone here actually played with a four color deck? If so, what did you think?
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Not IRL, but when playing poker online. Particularly when multi-tabling, it makes seeing flushes a lot easier.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-color_deck#Poker
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Has anyone here actually played with a four color deck? If so, what did you think?
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Not IRL, but when playing poker online. Particularly when multi-tabling, it makes seeing flushes a lot easier.
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Same with me, only online.
Quote: DRichQuote: DJTeddyBearHere’s a design I came up with over 10 years ago. I keep showing it to card manufacturers at G2E, hoping that someday, one of them will make them.
1- Standard small two color corner index. That way there’s no change for people that like to squeeze the cards.
2- Flip the face cards. Usually they have a larger pip right next to the corner pip. That’s redundant. Once removed and the face is flipped, that’s a lot of empty space for large index.
3- For goofy home games, even though flipped, you can still see the suicide king and one eyed jacks.
4- Use that extra space for a huge index with a small white space where it blocks the picture.
5- Four color for the second index. Much easier to see flushes.
6- Words next to the numbers. That’s a huge help for the 6 & 9 and a bonus for the other cards.
With these changes, it would be very easy to see the board from any seat when playing Hold Em. And for seeing players up cards in Stud.
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I don't care for that at all.
I concur.
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1-Standard small corner index with both suit and rank on all four corners, inverted as is current. Perhaps a small, discreet dot underneath the numbers six and the numbers 9 to help avoid confusion.
2-Each suit a different color: Hearts-Red, Clubs-Green, Spades-Black, Diamond-Blue. I still haven't figured out how to accommodate color blind players, other than having them pay attention to the suit, and not the color. If you are color blind, I am legitimately interested in hearing how you play card games.
3-Leave the centers of the cards as is, but making sure each number and each suit indicator is colored, and maybe the trims on the robes of each face card are also colored as appropriate.If there's a box around any pips or artwork, make sure that box is the same color as the suited color.
BONUS-In countries that have monarchs or imperial rulers, maybe the relative rank between Kings and Queens change, depending upon which gender is currently enthroned. For example, from Feb 6, 1952 until Sep 8, 2022, in Britain, the cards would go 10-J-K-Q. since a Queen was ruling. Beginning Sep 9, 2022 until current, the King is higher. I think that'd be kinda cool!
Quote: GenoDRPhI still haven't figured out how to accommodate color blind players, other than having them pay attention to the suit, and not the color. If you are color blind, I am legitimately interested in hearing how you play card games.
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It's not really an issue. Don't send me out to pick raspberries; I have trouble identifying the red berries against the green background of leaves. Red glyphs on a white background aren't a problem for me.
I've only had a problem with Set in certain lighting conditions. If the lines on the outline/shaded cards were just a bit wider, there would be enough ink for me to discern between green and blue (or whatever they are). People have been generally understanding when I say I need a bit more or less light to play, due to my vision. The light by the table in the basement where games are played is adjustable color temperature and brightness, which helps.
Red and Black, the colors that seem to matter in a casino, don't seem to be a problem.
Quote: PenguinsOfPitGender neutral cards. Lord save me from this nonsense
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Brave new world! We need to change with the times!
A standard 52-card deck with 2 jokers is perfect as far as most people are concerned.
Dont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
If you want something different/new then do it without messing with what is already GREAT.
Quote: AxelWolfSome things dont need to be F'ed with.
A standard 52-card deck with 2 jokers is perfect as far as most people are concerned.
Dont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
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how about Hex chess?
3 colors and 3 bishops (1 on each color)
also, checkers has been solved and chess is coming where where White cannot lose. Best black can do is draw.
(i think it's been solved for 8 pieces total left on the board)
Quote: PenguinsOfPitGender neutral cards. Lord save me from this nonsense
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They're already basically gender neutral. The face cards are more representative of rank and status than gender.
Quote: AxelWolfDont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
World Championship a few years ago finished 0-0-12. Chess should be changed to make fewer draws.
Quote: TomGQuote: AxelWolfDont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
World Championship a few years ago finished 0-0-12. Chess should be changed to make fewer draws.
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so 0-0-12 wins the championship? how?
Quote: TomGQuote: AxelWolfDont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
World Championship a few years ago finished 0-0-12. Chess should be changed to make fewer draws.
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Chess is one of those games, like Bridge, that has been researched and studied into the ground and had all of the fun sucked out of it.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: TomGQuote: AxelWolfDont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
World Championship a few years ago finished 0-0-12. Chess should be changed to make fewer draws.
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Chess is one of those games, like Bridge, that has been researched and studied into the ground and had all of the fun sucked out of it.
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And if Poker's not there yet, it's certainly on its way.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: TomGQuote: AxelWolfDont mess with chess, it's perfect as is, as well.
World Championship a few years ago finished 0-0-12. Chess should be changed to make fewer draws.
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Chess is one of those games, like Bridge, that has been researched and studied into the ground and had all of the fun sucked out of it.
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Two suggestions:
(1) chess360/Fisher random chess. Effectively eliminates memorizing opening lines. Better test of OTB thinking.
(2) I used to play a lot of chess. Now I play a lot more Scrabble. I heard once that after the 2nd move, 96% of games are completely new (that is, load every available Scrabble tournament game all time into a database. After the 2nd move, only 4% of positions exist elsewhere in the database.) None of this chess nonsense where games go 15 movies down memorized lines.
Also, to the original question, I like cards as they are. Maybe a 4 color deck but otherwise I wouldn’t change anything. I do prefer the larger font decks for stud games. Those are helpful.
Quote: TinMan(1) chess360/Fisher random chess. Effectively eliminates memorizing opening lines. Better test of OTB thinking.
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I want to learn how to play chess better.
i have a rating of 1300. (everyone starts with 1200 which is beginner, intermediate is 1600, grandmaster is like 2600)
Will those 2 books help?
Quote: DeucekiesQuote: TigerWu
Chess is one of those games, like Bridge, that has been researched and studied into the ground and had all of the fun sucked out of it.
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And if Poker's not there yet, it's certainly on its way.
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I feel like Texas Hold 'em is already there. If I play poker I like five card draw or stud.
