What happened to Nareed and GWAE?

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November 30th, 2022 at 12:25:07 AM permalink

GWAE was one of the protesters who left with the rest of the AP group.

The cool kid's hear from him daily.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 30th, 2022 at 12:57:36 AM permalink

I�m not cool and I�m in that group chat so that means it has nothing to do with being cool lol.

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November 30th, 2022 at 2:19:16 AM permalink

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I seem to remember seeing GWAE showing up on the site not all that long ago. I don't think it records a visit once you're gone if you didn't post. Nareed, I don't remember showing up on the site at all for a long time.
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The mechanics behind the Last Visited date may have been updated since your expectations were established.
I thought so too.
I was recently startled.
C'est la vie.

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November 30th, 2022 at 3:48:17 AM permalink

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GWAE was one of the protesters who left with the rest of the AP group.

The cool kid's hear from him daily.
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he seemed far from any AP when he first started posting, overvaluing what comps were worth, it seemed to me. It's interesting to think that he left over privacy concerns [which I thought was the big deal that got the APs who left all aflutter].

So maybe he evolved into a smarter gambler, I didn't know. He did have the instincts anyway, with a story how he gamed the system for grocery store offers in his area and 'got them' for hundreds of dollars. He wouldn't say how, but I've met him in person and would be surprised if that story wasn't factual

[oops, edit] ... GWAE, if you're reading this, you need to come back so we can get more of those stories!

As for Nareed, for a brief period we would PM back and forth. Bitter complaint about being trolled all the time by PM. I thought there was a fix for that? In any case, I was one on the ones Nareed decided to block I think, though I never trolled that person. I don't think my general views on things were acceptable, plus I defended Soopoo when those two were going round and round.

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November 30th, 2022 at 3:57:37 AM permalink

Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.

the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: �Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!� She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

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November 30th, 2022 at 4:12:57 AM permalink

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Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.

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November 30th, 2022 at 4:31:59 AM permalink

Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Nareed is biological male. He had a few issues here. Came out as gay then got upset when a few of us did not say how great that was. I recall a blowup or two with Wizard which got him a suspension but at some point Wizard posted that the "war" between them was over. Nareed at one point had probably half or more the most active members blocked because we did not fit his worldview.

Then Trump got elected, and he went off the rails! Despite living in Mexico Nareed had some weird thing about Trump. Started thread after thread. And the anger over not agreeing went from high to off the charts. Had a sig with an expletive that got him a "suspended until fixed." IIRC there was some kind of thing that the admins could not fix it and to remove it would mean tearing deep to the code so management here was sort of stuck.

IIRC it was fixed but the fixation on Trump never ended. Because the site refused to totally denounce Trump he kind of took his ball and went home. First person I ever used the block feature on, so not missed here.

GWAE no idea, met him at the first WOV-East, the one not in the official count here. Just a guess but he probably moved on to other interests. 30 years in online forums I have seen that happen. It happened with me last time I was on USENET, about when this site opened. I had a job where I could spend much time reading and posting. Left that job and never posted again, just had no time for it. Happens with many people for many reasons.

NOTES: Nareed is a biological male so I have used "he" since that is what you call a male. Also, mentions of Trump here are not to discuss politics but to explain what happened, please take political replies to that other side. I will not be replying to them there, either, but keeps this side clean,

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November 30th, 2022 at 4:38:41 AM permalink

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Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
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While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,

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November 30th, 2022 at 4:47:54 AM permalink

Once you say you are a male, I will try to honor your request to not use male pronouns if you transit to another sexual identity and want that. However, the usual way around it is to not talk about you. That way I need only the first person and the second person. Worked in this paragraph. Didn't work in my initial posts about Nareed, since it was necessarily third person, but I avoided pronouns altogether there.

Nareed may have been angry with me for using male pronouns accidentally ... it's very hard to avoid if you first tell me you're male ... I then can't get it out of my mind

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November 30th, 2022 at 4:59:58 AM permalink

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Quote: Dieter
Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
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While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,
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By the time I joined up, I believe Nareed was identifying as female. I do remember some confusion over a not-updated profile.

Not my bed, not my business. I'm not here looking for dates.

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November 30th, 2022 at 5:02:03 AM permalink

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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: Dieter
Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
link to original post

Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
link to original post

While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,
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By the time I joined up, I believe Nareed was identifying as female. I do remember some confusion over a not-updated profile.

Not my bed, not my business. I'm not here looking for dates.
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Do we have any regular female posters here now that BBB is not really active?

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.

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November 30th, 2022 at 5:10:34 AM permalink

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Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
link to original post

While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,
link to original post

By the time I joined up, I believe Nareed was identifying as female. I do remember some confusion over a not-updated profile.

Not my bed, not my business. I'm not here looking for dates.
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Do we have any regular female posters here now that BBB is not really active?
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HotBlonde and Nathan are the only 2 other females I really remember here. On any forums I have ever been on it seems to be 90% or better males.

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November 30th, 2022 at 5:36:23 AM permalink

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it is very strange that there are so few females on boards such as this - I really don't know why that is

there are huge numbers of them on FB

there was somebody here recently with a female name - iirc Julie something - and she made some interesting posts - haven't seen any of her posts in the last few days

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November 30th, 2022 at 5:53:31 AM permalink

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it is very strange that there are so few females on boards such as this - I really don't know why that is

there are huge numbers of them on FB

there was somebody here recently with a female name - iirc Julie something - and she made some interesting posts - haven't seen any of her posts in the last few days

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Women never liked forums but flocked to social media. IMHO the later lets them select "friends" and not let people they do not like in.

IMHO the other part is how males and females like to use leisure time. Forum posts are longer and can take enough "thought energy" so as to feel like being at work if you are not into that. I will use the example of my teaching casino games at parties. Women do not care for craps as there are so many rules and payouts. I have yet to see anyone really grasp more than three bets. They love Blackjack as you can learn to play even if not optimal play fast and be up and playing.

On a forum you have to have a reason for discussion and longer posts. On social media just quick updates.

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November 30th, 2022 at 6:13:59 AM permalink

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Quote: odiousgambit
Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
link to original post

Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
link to original post

While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,
link to original post

By the time I joined up, I believe Nareed was identifying as female. I do remember some confusion over a not-updated profile.

Not my bed, not my business. I'm not here looking for dates.
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Do we have any regular female posters here now that BBB is not really active?
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Doxxing would be against the rules.
Outing would be in poor taste.
Heck if I know.

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November 30th, 2022 at 7:20:36 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
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it is very strange that there are so few females on boards such as this - I really don't know why that is

there are huge numbers of them on FB

there was somebody here recently with a female name - iirc Julie something - and she made some interesting posts - haven't seen any of her posts in the last few days

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You are kidding, right?

Look at the first few pages of posts addressed to Slotlady when she was here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/29258-slotlady-channel/

At least half of them had to do with her physical appearance�and these are direct responses to her�and a few contained innuendo. I�d imagine that it would be more of the same, anyone else, though not quite to the same degree if what they look like is unknown.

Then you have AZDuffman�s post which, no offense to him, can�t even show Nareed the damned respect to use her preferred pronouns, even though she hasn�t been here in years! That�s also a pretty brave, �Point,� for him to make when she�s not even here to respond to it.

Yeah, I think I responded to a post or two from that Julie, so I don�t know where she went. I can only imagine the PM�s, though, just based on some of the stuff I�ve seen in public posts when it comes to female personages in the past.

Seriously, it�s as if a nude (insert actress thought of as extremely attractive as I don�t know any) walked into an all-boys middle school, half the time. Even if I were female and wanted to participate here, no doubt I�d play it off that I was a dude, or not make the correction. No thanks to being a fish in a restaurant full of sharks as the sharks tend to assume you�re on the menu. Lol

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 30th, 2022 at 7:24:00 AM permalink

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Quote: lilredrooster
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it is very strange that there are so few females on boards such as this - I really don't know why that is

there are huge numbers of them on FB

there was somebody here recently with a female name - iirc Julie something - and she made some interesting posts - haven't seen any of her posts in the last few days

.
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Women never liked forums but flocked to social media. IMHO the later lets them select "friends" and not let people they do not like in.

IMHO the other part is how males and females like to use leisure time. Forum posts are longer and can take enough "thought energy" so as to feel like being at work if you are not into that. I will use the example of my teaching casino games at parties. Women do not care for craps as there are so many rules and payouts. I have yet to see anyone really grasp more than three bets. They love Blackjack as you can learn to play even if not optimal play fast and be up and playing.

On a forum you have to have a reason for discussion and longer posts. On social media just quick updates.
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The prosecution presents Exhibit B, Your Honor.

This post can almost be paraphrased as saying, �Men like things that require thought; women don�t.�

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:08:31 AM permalink

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Then you have AZDuffman�s post which, no offense to him, can�t even show Nareed the damned respect to use her preferred pronouns, even though she hasn�t been here in years! That�s also a pretty brave, �Point,� for him to make when she�s not even here to respond to it.

I do nut indulge people in the "preferred pronoun" thing.

"HE"--used if a person is male
"SHE"--used if female.

Back when I was in school you would get an "F" if you used the wrong one. And yeah, I get school is over.

I identify as great. So, would all please refer to me as "AZDuffman the Great" in posts about me.

I also identify as Lori Grenier's secret boyfriend. Can you please tell her to come over to my place?

I will say it again, Nareed could have come on here and registered as female and nobody would have known and mostly not cared. Not what he did. He registered as male then asked to be called "she," I refuse to play that game. I may be the grumpy old man about it, but science is with me.

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:12:47 AM permalink

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The prosecution presents Exhibit B, Your Honor.

This post can almost be paraphrased as saying, �Men like things that require thought; women don�t.�
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Men dissect and take things apart in their spare time. Men explore. Women do not. Add to what I said above, which gender has invented more things? Which gender has been the explorers? I am not interested in a few female outliers. Go back 50 years and it will be even more pronounced.

Back to more topic, go to a casino and see what men play vs. what women play.

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Then you have AZDuffman�s post which, no offense to him, can�t even show Nareed the damned respect to use her preferred pronouns, even though she hasn�t been here in years! That�s also a pretty brave, �Point,� for him to make when she�s not even here to respond to it.

I do nut indulge people in the "preferred pronoun" thing.

"HE"--used if a person is male
"SHE"--used if female.

Back when I was in school you would get an "F" if you used the wrong one. And yeah, I get school is over.

I identify as great. So, would all please refer to me as "AZDuffman the Great" in posts about me.

I also identify as Lori Grenier's secret boyfriend. Can you please tell her to come over to my place?

I will say it again, Nareed could have come on here and registered as female and nobody would have known and mostly not cared. Not what he did. He registered as male then asked to be called "she," I refuse to play that game. I may be the grumpy old man about it, but science is with me.
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I�m not getting into the general discussion, because it�s inherently political. My point is you didn�t need to drive it home so much about Nareed, personally, when there�s no reason to believe that Nareed is going to suddenly appear and respond to you. The person whose lifestyle you seem to disagree with and detest has been gone for a few years, isn�t that sufficient?

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM permalink

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He was far from a AP; why would he leave over that? I was enjoying his posts about opening his medical billing practice. I was curious if it would be as lucrative as it seems.
I'm glad to read he is doing well.

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM permalink

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The prosecution presents Exhibit B, Your Honor.

This post can almost be paraphrased as saying, �Men like things that require thought; women don�t.�
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Men dissect and take things apart in their spare time. Men explore. Women do not. Add to what I said above, which gender has invented more things? Which gender has been the explorers? I am not interested in a few female outliers. Go back 50 years and it will be even more pronounced.

Back to more topic, go to a casino and see what men play vs. what women play.
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Exhibit C, Your Honor.

Besides, from some of your DT posts, it would seem that you think some activities are inherently masculine, anyway. As in, there should be spaces just for men to be together, because men sometimes prefer the company of other men, when it comes to certain activities.

So, I could see why you might seem to believe a gambling forum is more suited for men to talk to and enjoy the company of other men.

I agree about the fifty years thing; I wonder why that might be? Any guesses? Maybe it has something to do with a society less inclined to put women in a box and restrict them to activities deemed appropriate for them by men.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:19:53 AM permalink

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Then you have AZDuffman�s post which, no offense to him, can�t even show Nareed the damned respect to use her preferred pronouns, even though she hasn�t been here in years! That�s also a pretty brave, �Point,� for him to make when she�s not even here to respond to it.

I do nut indulge people in the "preferred pronoun" thing.

"HE"--used if a person is male
"SHE"--used if female.

Back when I was in school you would get an "F" if you used the wrong one. And yeah, I get school is over.

I identify as great. So, would all please refer to me as "AZDuffman the Great" in posts about me.

I also identify as Lori Grenier's secret boyfriend. Can you please tell her to come over to my place?

I will say it again, Nareed could have come on here and registered as female and nobody would have known and mostly not cared. Not what he did. He registered as male then asked to be called "she," I refuse to play that game. I may be the grumpy old man about it, but science is with me.
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I�m not getting into the general discussion, because it�s inherently political. My point is you didn�t need to drive it home so much about Nareed, personally, when there�s no reason to believe that Nareed is going to suddenly appear and respond to you. The person whose lifestyle you seem to disagree with and detest has been gone for a few years, isn�t that sufficient?
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If someone likes to do "reality checks" maybe do something like go into a Hell's Anglel's club, tell them that many of them are really just punks or criminals.

Then come back and tell us the story. (if you can leave the hospital or the morgue)

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:23:42 AM permalink

One of Nareed's favorite things to do was visit Las Vegas and walk around dressed like a woman the whole time he was here. I made the comment once that he reminded me of Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie when he had his woman's clothes on and Nareed went crazy with indignation and I still don't understand why, but I was suspended for a week. And I wasn't even being insulting, I thought it was a compliment. It was then I realized that he was looking to be insulted and was posting just for the attention. He blocked me after that and never responded to me again.

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:51:12 AM permalink

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Then you have AZDuffman�s post which, no offense to him, can�t even show Nareed the damned respect to use her preferred pronouns, even though she hasn�t been here in years! That�s also a pretty brave, �Point,� for him to make when she�s not even here to respond to it.

I do nut indulge people in the "preferred pronoun" thing.

"HE"--used if a person is male
"SHE"--used if female.

Back when I was in school you would get an "F" if you used the wrong one. And yeah, I get school is over.

I identify as great. So, would all please refer to me as "AZDuffman the Great" in posts about me.

I also identify as Lori Grenier's secret boyfriend. Can you please tell her to come over to my place?

I will say it again, Nareed could have come on here and registered as female and nobody would have known and mostly not cared. Not what he did. He registered as male then asked to be called "she," I refuse to play that game. I may be the grumpy old man about it, but science is with me.
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I�m not getting into the general discussion, because it�s inherently political. My point is you didn�t need to drive it home so much about Nareed, personally, when there�s no reason to believe that Nareed is going to suddenly appear and respond to you. The person whose lifestyle you seem to disagree with and detest has been gone for a few years, isn�t that sufficient?
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Not trying to make it personal, pointing out what happened. Pointing out that it is not an unusual thing. Nareed blocked me and I him shortly after he came out here on the board. Before that his posts were fairly like most of the board. Then one day he asks if anyone here is gay, asks for a section for gay posts, and sort of tries to make the place all gay posts all the time. I nearly left. Mind you, this was as out of nowhere as it gets. Which is why I point out the "attention" thing is what it was all about.

Trust me, he detests me not I him. I found all the Trump threads over the top. But read really nothing Nareed posted. On lifestyle my point remains as it always has, namely if you want to "live a normal life" you do not broadcast your preferences.

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November 30th, 2022 at 8:56:53 AM permalink

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The prosecution presents Exhibit B, Your Honor.

This post can almost be paraphrased as saying, �Men like things that require thought; women don�t.�
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Men dissect and take things apart in their spare time. Men explore. Women do not. Add to what I said above, which gender has invented more things? Which gender has been the explorers? I am not interested in a few female outliers. Go back 50 years and it will be even more pronounced.

Back to more topic, go to a casino and see what men play vs. what women play.
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Exhibit C, Your Honor.

Besides, from some of your DT posts, it would seem that you think some activities are inherently masculine, anyway. As in, there should be spaces just for men to be together, because men sometimes prefer the company of other men, when it comes to certain activities.

So, I could see why you might seem to believe a gambling forum is more suited for men to talk to and enjoy the company of other men.

Absolutely. Same as women have. But I would not for say "more suited" I would more say that is who it attracts. How many women do you see playing in the poker room? How many in line at the sports book? Some things just draw mostly male interest. Forums in general have leaned way, way male since the first ones in the 1980s. Before that, CB and ham radio leaned mostly male. At some point one must look and say, "maybe women are just not as into this stuff as men?"

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:10:47 AM permalink

If Nareed is still a member in good standing why are Duffman and EB allowed to constantly insult her in this thread with apparent impunity?!

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:15:23 AM permalink

Okay, guys: discussion/debate of transgender pronouns is inherently a non-gambling controversial topic (or 'politics' as Mission termed it.) It is not allowed. Please stop it.

Mission, bringing up the content of a person's posts in DT is also frowned upon, isn't it? (Here I am, asking Mission whether what he did is incorrect.) This was a mild case and not a big deal, but just asking and pointing it out.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:17:34 AM permalink

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The prosecution presents Exhibit B, Your Honor.

This post can almost be paraphrased as saying, �Men like things that require thought; women don�t.�
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Men dissect and take things apart in their spare time. Men explore. Women do not. Add to what I said above, which gender has invented more things? Which gender has been the explorers? I am not interested in a few female outliers. Go back 50 years and it will be even more pronounced.

Back to more topic, go to a casino and see what men play vs. what women play.
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Exhibit C, Your Honor.

Besides, from some of your DT posts, it would seem that you think some activities are inherently masculine, anyway. As in, there should be spaces just for men to be together, because men sometimes prefer the company of other men, when it comes to certain activities.

So, I could see why you might seem to believe a gambling forum is more suited for men to talk to and enjoy the company of other men.

Absolutely. Same as women have. But I would not for say "more suited" I would more say that is who it attracts. How many women do you see playing in the poker room? How many in line at the sports book? Some things just draw mostly male interest. Forums in general have leaned way, way male since the first ones in the 1980s. Before that, CB and ham radio leaned mostly male. At some point one must look and say, "maybe women are just not as into this stuff as men?"
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I�m unopposed to that post because it keeps a generalization as a generalization rather than some sort of absolute; it also doesn�t imply that women categorically can�t be as good at a particular activity as men are, such as gambling or poker.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:18:39 AM permalink

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I�m not cool and I�m in that group chat so that means it has nothing to do with being cool lol.
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November 30th, 2022 at 9:19:12 AM permalink

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Okay, guys: discussion/debate of transgender pronouns is inherently a non-gambling controversial topic (or 'politics' as Mission termed it.) It is not allowed. Please stop it.

Mission, bringing up the content of a person's posts in DT is also frowned upon, isn't it? (Here I am, asking Mission whether what he did is incorrect.) This was a mild case and not a big deal, but just asking and pointing it out.
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Maybe. I�ll accept it as a light warning, in any case. There are certain AZ posts here that I think I could find to demonstrate my point, prior to the political discussion ban, but the DT ones would have been easier to find.

In any case, I accept my warning not to allude to posts made on DT over here.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:27:09 AM permalink

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I�m unopposed to that post because it keeps a generalization as a generalization rather than some sort of absolute; it also doesn�t imply that women categorically can�t be as good at a particular activity as men are, such as gambling or poker.
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Women can be good at poker, they just tend to not like to play so much. I was teaching a few guys at one event with a woman at my table tutoring. She says flat out, "this is mostly a men's game." Out of nowhere. My observation has been they do not like the trinary (a word?) decisions. Raise, call, fold. Check, bet, fold. Something about the limited information and your entire stack can be at risk. I have had a few with the man they were with ready to scream "CALL, RAISE, OR FOLD!" after answering for the 10th time what they need to do.

Strangely, BJ they do not mind so much. I think in poker someone else in the game taking your cheques not the house gets to them. No matter what it is, they do not care for the game so much.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:29:18 AM permalink

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Okay, guys: discussion/debate of transgender pronouns is inherently a non-gambling controversial topic (or 'politics' as Mission termed it.) It is not allowed. Please stop it.

Mission, bringing up the content of a person's posts in DT is also frowned upon, isn't it? (Here I am, asking Mission whether what he did is incorrect.) This was a mild case and not a big deal, but just asking and pointing it out.
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How about �gambling and women�

About the only thing was I going to point out, is noticing that women haven�t filled all tiers of gambling activities once given the �okay� doesn�t account for all the more traditional activities they might have been involved with that still pull them in. There�s only so many hours in a day for all of us. Um, sewing class, horseback riding, ballet, cheerleading, cooking classes, softball didn�t go away just because they can become a football kicker in a male league, or be a master mechanic.

Had to use a lot of stereotypes to make that point.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:33:34 AM permalink

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GWAE was one of the protesters who left with the rest of the AP group.

The cool kid's hear from him daily.
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he seemed far from any AP when he first started posting, overvaluing what comps were worth, it seemed to me. It's interesting to think that he left over privacy concerns [which I thought was the big deal that got the APs who left all aflutter].

So maybe he evolved into a smarter gambler, I didn't know. He did have the instincts anyway, with a story how he gamed the system for grocery store offers in his area and 'got them' for hundreds of dollars. He wouldn't say how, but I've met him in person and would be surprised if that story wasn't factual

[oops, edit] ... GWAE, if you're reading this, you need to come back so we can get more of those stories!

As for Nareed, for a brief period we would PM back and forth. Bitter complaint about being trolled all the time by PM. I thought there was a fix for that? In any case, I was one on the ones Nareed decided to block I think, though I never trolled that person. I don't think my general views on things were acceptable, plus I defended Soopoo when those two were going round and round.
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It was never about privacy concerns.

I mentioned this before, there was some peer pressure and guilt-tripping regarding my not following in protest, but OG's do what they want. 😎

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:36:54 AM permalink

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If Nareed is still a member in good standing why are Duffman and EB allowed to constantly insult her in this thread with apparent impunity?!
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I did a quick re-read of the thread. There is a summary of Nareed's history in the forum, some facts about Nareed's personal life that have apparently been posted by Nareed previously, and the identification of some in-forum issues that some persons had with Nareed. I have not noticed any personal insults per se. The non/usage or usage of transgender pronouns may or may not be considered as a sign of disrespect but I have already asked that the discussion of transgender pronouns be shut down. And, in any case, 'being disrespectful' is not the same thing as a personal insult.

If you think I have missed something and still have an allegation of a personal insult, please quote the specific insult and of course we'll consider it.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:38:14 AM permalink

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Nareed made a very odd move right from the beginning. If you want to be known as a female, why not make your anonymously presented identity female? Nareed did not do that, then complained about being targeted.
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Here on the internet, there are a lot of guys who tend to give simplistic explanations of the obvious to those presenting as female. This is now commonly known as 'mansplaining'.

It was more common and more intense a decade ago.

I know plenty of women who don't advertise their gender to avoid this. It does tend to improve the signal to noise ratio around 2am.
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While I do not agree with the "mansplaining" term, I can see a woman not saying she was female in a profile to be left alone. Early days of the web I remember a guy telling me for fun he and a buddy created a 17 year old female profile in a chat room and just got bombed with replies.

But, if that is why a person says "male" in a profile then why claim to be female in a thread later?

Simple answer. ATTENTION! Wanting attention for attention sake or to provoke people. Same kind of thing as the woman who wears something too revealing to work then complains all the guys are checking her out at work. She wants the attention from the guys checking her out and she wants the attention from the women to feel sorry for her,
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By the time I joined up, I believe Nareed was identifying as female. I do remember some confusion over a not-updated profile.

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Do we have any regular female posters here now that BBB is not really active?
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HotBlonde and Nathan are the only 2 other females I really remember here. On any forums I have ever been on it seems to be 90% or better males.
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Remember,Juicy Jenny. That was a hoot.

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November 30th, 2022 at 9:44:29 AM permalink

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If Nareed is still a member in good standing why are Duffman and EB allowed to constantly insult her in this thread with apparent impunity?!
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The non/usage or usage of transgender pronouns may (or may not) be considered as a sign of disrespect but I have already asked that the discussion of transgender pronouns be shut down. And, in any case, 'being disrespectful' is not the same thing as a personal insult.
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Can't agree on that at all. Calling a guy a girl, or using a female pronoun (or vice versa) is definitely a personal insult.

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