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September 8th, 2022 at 8:02:34 AM permalink
It does not look good for the Queen. Family members rushing to be at her side in Balmoral. Source: BBC

If this is it, may she go peacefully.
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September 8th, 2022 at 8:09:27 AM permalink
The last time a reigning monarch died in the U.K. was 1952.
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September 8th, 2022 at 11:00:57 AM permalink
According to numerous places:

Queen Elizabeth II has died. She was 96 years old.

In a statement sent to Insider, Buckingham Palace said the Queen "died peacefully at Balmoral" on Thursday afternoon.

"The King and The Queen Consort will remain at Balmoral this evening and will return to London tomorrow," the statement added.
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September 8th, 2022 at 11:34:46 AM permalink
RIP Queen Elizabeth. A long and illustrious life, a decent and principled woman.

Now we have King Charles III. No one is certain what to expect from him.
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September 8th, 2022 at 11:39:22 AM permalink
Why do any countries still have "royalty" anyway, in this democratic era?

The queen is dead, long live the queen.
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September 8th, 2022 at 11:47:46 AM permalink
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My celebrity death prediction (obvious as it is):

Elizabeth II and Putin will not live to see 2023.
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One down...

One more, and my prophecy will be fulfilled.
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September 8th, 2022 at 12:02:48 PM permalink
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Why do any countries still have "royalty" anyway, in this democratic era?



Simple anthropology. In societies a royal class will pop up. The USA has royalty in celebrities. Movie and sports. Muslim countries have them in the form of clerics. The Brits have their royal family, which the USA has to an extent adopted as our own. Not as much as in the 80s what with tabloids not what they were then. The masses need someone and something to look up to.
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September 8th, 2022 at 1:36:48 PM permalink
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The Brits have their royal family,k]



The Royal Family and the property they own is one of the biggest tourist destinations in the world. Great Britain makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year in tourism, they come from all over to see how Royals live. I was there in summer in the early nineties and we tried to go see some of the stuff couldn't get near it. The crowds were unbelievable and you had to have tickets. England has nothing but history, there are pubs there built in the 1600s from Old Forest Oak that are still open and because the wood has petrified they could be there for another one thousand years.
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September 8th, 2022 at 2:23:16 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Why do any countries still have "royalty" anyway, in this democratic era?

The queen is dead, long live the queen.
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Shouldn't it be "The queen is dead, long live the king"?
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September 8th, 2022 at 2:27:12 PM permalink
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Why do any countries still have "royalty" anyway, in this democratic era?

The queen is dead, long live the queen.
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Shouldn't it be "The queen is dead, long live the king"?
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Yes, It should. But it's not something we say often $:o)
Personally, I'd capitalise the Q and K out of deference.
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September 8th, 2022 at 2:27:19 PM permalink
Following the lunchtime (12:30) announcement of the doctors' concerns, the Queen passed away quietly in the afternoon before the official announcement was made in the early evening (18:30). The Queen, regardless of ones views on the monarchy, was well respected around the world. Several former Prime Ministers have been on TV this evening saying how knowledgeable she was, her experience and having met so many world leaders (including 14 of the last 15 US Presidents).

As a nation we will grief, walls of flowers are already appearing in Windsor, Buckingham Palace and Balmoral. Several events this week will now be cancelled as preparations are made for the mourning and state funeral.

It will be hard for most of us, who have only known the Queen, to change to things like "God Save The King". Also now we have a new monarch (which of course most of us have never experienced), new banknotes, coins and stamps will be needed.
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September 9th, 2022 at 2:36:14 AM permalink
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The Brits have their royal family,k]



The Royal Family and the property they own is one of the biggest tourist destinations in the world. Great Britain makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year in tourism, they come from all over to see how Royals live. I was there in summer in the early nineties and we tried to go see some of the stuff couldn't get near it. The crowds were unbelievable and you had to have tickets. England has nothing but history, there are pubs there built in the 1600s from Old Forest Oak that are still open and because the wood has petrified they could be there for another one thousand years.
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I can see the history of some places but the royal-following I do not get. Remember the 80s and how Di and Ferggie would be on at least one of the tabloids weekly? The coverage they got? The night before the wedding Johnny Carson was showing all the stuff being sold related to it. It spilling to the USA shows the royalty worship being baked into human nature.
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September 9th, 2022 at 5:16:55 AM permalink
The photo where Queen Elizabeth was shaking hands with the new Prime Minister Truss, the Queen's hand was black on the back and her fingers were ghostly white. It looked like a nearly dead hand then.
There's been scattered reports that she had COVID but I haven't heard much. But if she had a relapse, it could kill her off like all the other COVID deaths.
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September 9th, 2022 at 6:36:17 AM permalink
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....new banknotes, coins and stamps will be needed.
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I don't think there'll be much rush to replace the currency. Our current plastic currency notes will take a long time to wear out and they won't be withdrawn for the fun of it.It will be interesting to see how soon the new currency and postage stamps will start to be issued.
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September 9th, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM permalink
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I don't think there'll be much rush to replace the currency. Our current plastic currency notes will take a long time to wear out and they won't be withdrawn for the fun of it.It will be interesting to see how soon the new currency and postage stamps will start to be issued.
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I also hope there will be no rush, but they phase into King Charles banknotes as the Queen ones wear out.

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September 9th, 2022 at 9:41:47 AM permalink
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...I also hope there will be no rush, but they phase into King Charles banknotes as the Queen ones wear out.

Ironically the notes you've included are the former paper ones. The paper £20 and £50 stop being legal currency at the end of this month. The £5 and £10 already have been withdrawn. We're nearly finished moving to the newer ones. Currently Scotland still has £1 and £100 ones.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/current-banknotes
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September 9th, 2022 at 10:18:22 AM permalink
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...I also hope there will be no rush, but they phase into King Charles banknotes as the Queen ones wear out.

Ironically the notes you've included are the former paper ones. The paper £20 and £50 stop being legal currency at the end of this month. The £5 and £10 already have been withdrawn. We're nearly finished moving to the newer ones. Currently Scotland still has £1 and £100 ones.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/current-banknotes

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Hey Charlie,
I thought the paper ones ceased being legal tender a while back, so thanks for that. Will always be accepted by banks.

I don't believe our American cousins have had the pleasure of Polymer Plastic currency. Virtually indestructible in normal use (Of course the can be burned or shredded), they have real downsides. They cling together and can be accidentally given away, and once folded, they won't lay flat for counting. Dipped in certain chemicals they can be bleached to give a worthless piece of clear plastic.

Our biggest note is the £50, ($58) which is hard to spend and rarely seen ( by me ) except in casinos.
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September 9th, 2022 at 7:41:18 PM permalink
Queen Elizabeth was literally as old school as you could get. There are many who believe that now that she's gone this will diminish the monarchy greatly because people of her moral character are just not around anymore. It's now going to turn into one giant scandal sheet, more than it has been for the last 25 years. King Charles is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, far from it. And it will show in how he reigns as king.
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September 9th, 2022 at 8:21:16 PM permalink
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Queen Elizabeth was literally as old school as you could get. There are many who believe that now that she's gone this will diminish the monarchy greatly because people of her moral character are just not around anymore. It's now going to turn into one giant scandal sheet, more than it has been for the last 25 years. King Charles is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, far from it. And it will show in how he reigns as king.
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Classic EB. I missed you.
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September 10th, 2022 at 6:13:28 AM permalink
Please could people stay on topic In this country, and many others, it is a time of mourning that has affected most of us, especially as most of us have only know one monarch. Thanks
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:01:22 AM permalink
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Please could people stay on topic In this country, and many others, it is a time of mourning that has affected most of us, especially as most of us have only know one monarch. Thanks
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My sympathies during this time to our fellow forum members who are Subjects of the Crown.

I watched the Proclamation ceremony this morning. Very impressive. Shows that at least ONE country can still pull off a peaceful transition of power.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:43:52 AM permalink
They've had two peaceful transfers of power this week, even, The first was when Liz Truss became PM, and now Charles.
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September 10th, 2022 at 7:50:43 AM permalink
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It does not look good for the Queen. Family members rushing to be at her side in Balmoral. Source: BBC

If this is it, may she go peacefully.
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I've split the thread off from the Celebrity Deaths thread. I hope nobody objects.

In other news.....

Our UK TV is totally dominated by some of the very British pomp and ceremony surrounding proclamations of the recognition of the new King.
Thanks to all for the respect that has been shown at this sensitive time.

For your amusement, there's an anecdote where a pair of American Tourists, came across Her Majesty taking a picnic in a secluded spot, escorted only by her bodyguards. The American didn't recognise her and asked her to take his photo, having also asked whether she'd ever met the Queen.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wptch/the-last-thing-have-you-met-the-queen/vi-AA11Fez0?category=foryou

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=599307621680885
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:03:29 AM permalink
MSNBC had Sky News on all last night. MSNBC has ongoing coverage of the transfer of power to the new King. There's a big crowd around Buckingham Palace without any seditionist intent. Maybe it's too soon, or the wrong address for insurrection in the UK. Those power bills are looming extremely large.
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September 10th, 2022 at 8:05:23 AM permalink
I've read the Queen and her husband liked to relax when at Balmoral, and sort of be less regal and be more of a couple on summer vacation.

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Please could people stay on topic In this country, and many others, it is a time of mourning that has affected most of us, especially as most of us have only know one monarch. Thanks
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You're right. I apologize for my response to EB's post.
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:57:21 AM permalink
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Please could people stay on topic In this country, and many others, it is a time of mourning that has affected most of us, especially as most of us have only know one monarch. Thanks
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You're right. I apologize for my response to EB's post.
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No apology necessary. IMHO
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September 10th, 2022 at 10:41:39 AM permalink
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....new banknotes, coins and stamps will be needed.
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I don't think there'll be much rush to replace the currency. Our current plastic currency notes will take a long time to wear out and they won't be withdrawn for the fun of it.It will be interesting to see how soon the new currency and postage stamps will start to be issued.
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I assume there will be a special set with King Charles's image on it (and let's not forget Queen Camilla - is that styling correct?), although I also assume there will be a "standard" image similar to the Machin Definitives for the Queen at some point.

As for coins, I remember getting coins with George VI on them (and marked "One Shilling") when I was in England in 1987. Also remember that Canada, Australia, and a number of other Commonwealth countries have to change their coins as well.
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:21:07 AM permalink
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As for coins, I remember getting coins with George VI on them (and marked "One Shilling") when I was in England in 1987. Also remember that Canada, Australia, and a number of other Commonwealth countries have to change their coins as well.
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Did you know...

... Each time we have a change of monarch, the portrait on our coins will face in the opposite direction to the last one.

H.M the queen looks to the right on our coins. King Charles's portrait will look to the left.

Charles has featured on some commemorative special coins, but he has not yet even sat for his portrait for currency, so that is some way off.

Our 'paper currency' and that of Australia is not paper but a very tough, thin, polymer sheet. It lasts a VERY long time compared to paper money. It's also a Pain in the Ar5e, because of the way notes cling together and will not lay flat once it's been folded. You can't even iron ( press? ) it, because it would melt.

I don't believe Queen Consort Camilla, as she is to be officially known, will feature on any coins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling_(British_coin)
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:24:30 AM permalink
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Please could people stay on topic In this country, and many others, it is a time of mourning that has affected most of us, especially as most of us have only know one monarch. Thanks
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You're right. I apologize for my response to EB's post.
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Thanks - there's no need to apologise. Also thanks for splitting the theme into its own thread.

As has been said, up until now, there has been continual reporting on British TV and newspapers; so it's hard not to feel emotional. Amongst all the coverage, there have been some great moments, especially when the royals have gone on unscripted walkabouts - the response from the crowds has been so supportive towards them.

There will be some formal events, including today's proclamation of the new King, finishing up with the funeral and committal on Monday 19th.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:14:17 PM permalink
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Our 'paper currency' and that of Australia is not paper but a very tough, thin, polymer sheet.
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Our paper money is not paper either, but a blend of cotton and linen, like clothing. That's why it holds up well after going through the wash in a pocket.

I like it when countries make the larger notes larger in size. I believe they do that for the Euro.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:26:52 PM permalink
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I like it when countries make the larger notes larger in size. I believe they do that for the Euro.
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Both Pound and Euro, Different sizes and significantly different colours. Also embossed so the blind can tell the differences.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:59:42 PM permalink
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I don't believe Queen Consort Camilla, as she is to be officially known, will feature on any coins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling_(British_coin)
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Did the Queen Mother ever appear on coins? Stamps, maybe, and I fully expect at least one of the first stamps with King Charles on them to have Camilla on it as well, if not a dedicated "Charles & Camilla" set at some point.

Oh, wait...there already is a Charles & Camilla set, from 2005:
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:29:55 PM permalink
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I don't believe Queen Consort Camilla, as she is to be officially known, will feature on any coins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilling_(British_coin)
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Did the Queen Mother ever appear on coins? Stamps


Only, i think, to commemorate her 100th birthday.

Quote:

I fully expect at least one of the first stamps with King Charles on them to have Camilla on it as well, if not a dedicated "Charles & Camilla" set at some point.

Oh, wait...there already is a Charles & Camilla set, from 2005:

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Maybe.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:12:45 PM permalink
Canada switched over to those polymer banknotes a decade ago. I guess currency-sniffing dogs can't miss them because they smelled like maple syrup.
So Canada has retired some old currency, like the $1, $2, $25, $500, $1,000 bills but paper money is still good in other denominations.
The speculation about accelerating the retiring of paper money because of the new King seems like rubbish.
Maybe banks will burn Queen notes faster, but I wouldn't expect a recall of the notes out there.
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:55:23 PM permalink
I'm not utterly familiar with the bias in British news, but there's a coup brewing in Moscow and the media won't get off the Royal Mourning Train.
RT: Radio Free Europe reporting that Municipal Lawmakers in Moscow are now demanding Putin's resignation.
Sky is reporting one of Putin's petty put-downs of "The West," as news, instead.
Murdoch seriously needs to go.

The internet is filling up with an infinite number of falling out of windows jokes because Putin will have to purge everybody.

Kremlin Is Scared! BIG EXPLOSION in Moscow! - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbhY8T_qoc

9 minute video game simulation: Ukrainian S300 missile destroys Moscow parliament building - milsim arma3 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-RyRh-rrgs
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September 11th, 2022 at 12:18:35 AM permalink
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I'm not utterly familiar with the bias in British news, but there's a coup brewing in Moscow and the media won't get off the Royal Mourning Train.
RT: Radio Free Europe reporting that Municipal Lawmakers in Moscow are now demanding Putin's resignation.
Sky is reporting one of Putin's petty put-downs of "The West," as news, instead.
Murdoch seriously needs to go.

The internet is filling up with an infinite number of falling out of windows jokes because Putin will have to purge everybody.
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we have BBC news, which is viewed as very unbiased and civil. We have ITV, which is more independent, but still mostly unbiased and then we have SKY which shows bias. There are a few very biased channels, (right wing, nationalist) but they are not popular. Nothing comes close to the popular partisan US news channels.
Fact is, we are a bit like mourners at a funeral, having turned our phones off to pay attention to proceedings. The world will still probably be there and still be screwed up when we surface. Call it dereliction of duty if you wish.

Incidentally, when H.M. was declared to be gravely ill, all military leave was canceled
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September 11th, 2022 at 3:02:01 AM permalink
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...we have BBC news...unbiased and ...ITV...SKY....Incidentally, when H.M. was declared to be gravely ill, all military leave was canceled
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Thanks for that - as you said those three news outlets have all worked together and have shared their coverage and pictures.

I happened to have the TV on when the initial news of the Queen's illness was announced and it became apparent things were deteriorating. One sensed this was preparing the nation for the worse. Throughout the afternoon there were subtle things, such as presenters began to look back using words such as "the Queen was", until the news outlets formally announced the sad news at about 6.30pm.

Many of the formalities are traditions dating back into history and the TV coverage has been extensive. Today (Sunday) we see aerial views of the Scottish countryside as the hearse is brought from Balmoral to Edniburgh and, in villages and towns, people lining the route.

It all shows how much loved the Queen was by the country.
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September 11th, 2022 at 9:42:57 AM permalink
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I'm not utterly familiar with the bias in British news, but there's a coup brewing in Moscow and the media won't get off the Royal Mourning Train.
RT: Radio Free Europe reporting that Municipal Lawmakers in Moscow are now demanding Putin's resignation.
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September 11th, 2022 at 5:31:24 PM permalink
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I'm not utterly familiar with the bias in British news, but there's a coup brewing in Moscow and the media won't get off the Royal Mourning Train.
RT: Radio Free Europe reporting that Municipal Lawmakers in Moscow are now demanding Putin's resignation.
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Warning issued to obey the rule against political discussion. Please take it to DT.
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Um... I call bullshit.

While it's true that political discussions should go to DT, the reality is, ALL discussions that are not casino / gambling / math / etc related, belong at DT as well. That's why DT was created - to create a space for the other conversations while we keep the focus of WoV where it belongs.

Hell, even the Deadpool thread, which is all about gambling (OK, a rather morbid form of gambling), is at DT.

Maybe the person who started this thread should be given a warning as well.

Sorry Mike. Had to do it.
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September 12th, 2022 at 5:19:33 AM permalink
King Charles The Third is being given the keys to the city of Edinburgh, Scotland. He'll take possession of Holyrood House. - BBC World News
Bank of England delays interest rate hike until after the Queen's funeral.

The Palace of Holyroodhouse is the official residence of the Monarchy in Scotland.
Founded as a monastery in 1128 at the end of the Royal Mile in Edinburgh, the Palace of Holyroodhouse has a close association with the History of Scotland. Today, the Palace is a close focus for national celebrations and events in Scotland, most notably The Queen's 践olyrood Week, which usually runs from the end of June to the beginning of July every year.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-residences-palace-holyroodhouse

Holyrood Week 2022 has begun with the Ceremony of the Keys at the Palace of Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh. During the ceremony, The Queen was symbolically offered the keys to the City of Edinburgh by the Lord Provost on the day of her arrival.
The Royal Family (@RoyalFamily) June 27, 2022

The Scottish Parliament is right nearby.
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September 12th, 2022 at 7:48:17 AM permalink
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I'm not utterly familiar with the bias in British news, but there's a coup brewing in Moscow and the media won't get off the Royal Mourning Train.
RT: Radio Free Europe reporting that Municipal Lawmakers in Moscow are now demanding Putin's resignation.
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Warning issued to obey the rule against political discussion. Please take it to DT.
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Um... I call bullshit.

While it's true that political discussions should go to DT, the reality is, ALL discussions that are not casino / gambling / math / etc related, belong at DT as well. That's why DT was created - to create a space for the other conversations while we keep the focus of WoV where it belongs.

Hell, even the Deadpool thread, which is all about gambling (OK, a rather morbid form of gambling), is at DT.

Maybe the person who started this thread should be given a warning as well.

Sorry Mike. Had to do it.



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I'm not sure complete exclusion of all topics except gambling was indicated. below is link announcing new forum

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/11590-new-forum-coming-soon/#post187995

Wizard says --"In the interests of tightening the focus on this site, I plan to create another forum that is open to all topics of interest, with an emphasis on the most touchy topics like politics, religion, and GLBT issues."

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"tightening the focus" as opposed to exclusely the focus or solely the focus. Maybe he did say somewhere it was exclusive.


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September 12th, 2022 at 9:06:10 AM permalink
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King Charles The Third is being given the keys to the city of Edinburgh, Scotland. He'll take possession of Holyrood House.



Which he promptly declines to accept.
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September 12th, 2022 at 10:53:01 AM permalink
He ritually declined the keys, according to tradition. But did he decline to take Holyrood House?
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