Was I in the wrong here?
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
Quote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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why are you stuck on something so miniscule? why are you hanging around such cheap and petty people? this is a problem that should have never left the table imo and it kind of gives me a headache even thinking that someone put time and effort into something so petty tbh
Quote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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I also would expect my friends to chip in for tax and tip however, being in similar situations, I always spell it out in advance. "Let's go to dinner on me thanks to my free comps but you guys cover tax and tip and anything over my comp allowance."
It's terrible you have to do this but people always take advantage. I once told my friends to go order while I went to gamble. When I came back everyone was finishing their $75 filet mignon orders and expected me to pay the $400+ bill.
Did I need to inform everyone to only order what was reasonable, under a certain price point and not to take advantage? Unfortunately you learn the hard way that you do.
I don't understand why your friends are still upset if you wound up covering anyway. They should be thankful but again people are very self centered.
Quote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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why are you stuck on something so miniscule? why are you hanging around such cheap and petty people? this is a problem that should have never left the table imo and it kind of gives me a headache even thinking that someone put time and effort into something so petty tbh
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Let's welcome the new member. Everyone has their own priorities.
Quote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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why are you stuck on something so miniscule? why are you hanging around such cheap and petty people? this is a problem that should have never left the table imo and it kind of gives me a headache even thinking that someone put time and effort into something so petty tbh
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My Mother treated me to Breakfast years ago and I offered to pay the tax and tip, and she declined. I feel that whoever's treating should at least get helped out in the tax and tip, or at least an offer.
Quote: darkozQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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why are you stuck on something so miniscule? why are you hanging around such cheap and petty people? this is a problem that should have never left the table imo and it kind of gives me a headache even thinking that someone put time and effort into something so petty tbh
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Let's welcome the new member. Everyone has their own priorities.
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my anger here stems from this guys "friends" and how ungrateful they were and how they lied to him about not having money he seems like an ok guy but when you let people walk all over you its difficult to not express the anger they lack for themselves
This sounds like one of those pesky Reddit type questions, you know, the "AITA" type of thing.
FWIW, you invited them, so absent prior clarification you should pay tax and tip.
Yes, YTA.
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This sounds like one of this Reddit type questions, you know, the "AITA" type of thing.
FWIW, you invited them, so absent prior clarification you should pay tax and tip.
YTA.
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Okay, I'll accept responsibility for the tax and tip thing since I not only invited them, I didn't say anything about tax and tip.
Having said that, when I've done something similar with comps, I say I have $xxx in comps, let's split the amount over, including tax and tip, evenly. I've never had anyone say no.
I'd have explained to them that their unwillingness to pay will mean no more invites.
Quote: rsactuarySo... I find it really hard to believe that they didn't have any money or CC on them. Or their CC programmed into their phone. Who does that anymore?
Having said that, when I've done something similar with comps, I say I have $xxx in comps, let's split the amount over, including tax and tip, evenly. I've never had anyone say no.
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They were under the assumption that I would pay for everything, so they claimed they didn't bring any money.
Anyways.... lesson learned,. Never treat them to dinner again.
Quote: RiverjordanQuote: rsactuarySo... I find it really hard to believe that they didn't have any money or CC on them. Or their CC programmed into their phone. Who does that anymore?
Having said that, when I've done something similar with comps, I say I have $xxx in comps, let's split the amount over, including tax and tip, evenly. I've never had anyone say no.
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They were under the assumption that I would pay for everything, so they claimed they didn't bring any money.
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idk this makes it a bit different if thats the case - but STILL idk man these people think your dumb enough to believe that they didnt bring a single dollar out in vegas - i say tell them to kick rocks
Quote: RiverjordanI was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them
Yes you were wrong and they were correct.
Had they been advised beforehand that they would be responsible to cover a portion of your invitation,
then they could have declined the invitation.
If you invite someone anywhere, friends or otherwise, then you are responsible for all expenses.
Grow up.
"Hey, I got a $200 comp for the steakhouse today and it expires today."
Usually that does the trick of keeping the check within limits or there's a willingness to kick in the difference.
I infer that your friends were aware the meal was being funded by your comps and that they were aware there would be expenses due not covered by a comp. As the event host you are responsible for all expenses, and for setting the expectation of sharing those expenses as part of the invitation. Having failed to set that expectation before hand, I think you should have made light of having your request rebuffed and just paid.Quote: Riverjordan… I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. …
Whether or not you were dining with friends is another issue. Although they hoped the meal would be an entirely free ride, they should have been willing to step up and help you when asked. Claiming they had no money should be regarded as bald faces lies, unless that statement was followed by a promise to give you funds later.
Perhaps you should recategorize your friends as acquaintances.
Hi RiverJordon, Welcome to the forum.Quote: RiverjordanSo, I had $300 in Comps and I invited some Friends to use my Comps up at a Restaurant. We all had a good time until the bill came to about $386 with tax and tip. My Friends purposely didn't bring any money and just assumed I would pay the tax and tip for everyone. I was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip since Comps do not cover tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them and these were my Comps. I argued common courtesy would be to pay a fair share of the tax and tip. My Friends were disgusted and thought I was being unreasonable and refused to chip in for tax and tip. I paid the roughly $86 in tax and tip as it was clear none of my Friends would pay the tax and tip. And the Waiter was getting anxious. Instead of thanking me for using my Comps with them, and paying the tax and tip myself, they are all upset with me for even asking them to chip in for tax and tip. Was I in the wrong here?
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Was this comp'ed meal at a venue in Vegas, Miami, somewhere else? Serious question!
$86 in tax and tip? So how many friends were there. Are they ex-friends now?
Does ANYBODY leave home without cash or a credit card?
I'm not taking this post seriously. I'm surprised that so many did.
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This sounds like one of those pesky Reddit type questions, you know, the "AITA" type of thing.
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Yes, YTA.
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LOL. I had to google AITA. Good analogy.
Quote: heatmap... these people think your dumb enough to believe that they didnt bring a single dollar out in vegas...
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Heatmap, I believe you are mistaken in thinking that any of this happened in Vegas.
I doubt she? flew her friends out to dinner on comp'd air-miles.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: RiverjordanI was upset and told them I thought everyone should split the tax and tip.
They argued they felt I should pay all of the tax and tip since I invited them
Yes you were wrong and they were correct.
Had they been advised beforehand that they would be responsible to cover a portion of your invitation,
then they could have declined the invitation.
If you invite someone anywhere, friends or otherwise, then you are responsible for all expenses.
Grow up.
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Even Steve Buscemi's character in Reservoir Dogs agreed to leave a tip when someone else was paying for the meal.
Bottom line is I think this is a teachable moment. The way I always handle this among my friends is the one who procured the comp pays nothing. Those invited split the tip. Also, if a cap on the comp is an issue, it is stated in advance and those invited pay whatever amount goes over. The time to negotiate such things is at the time of the invitation.
By the way, there is no tax on the comp portion of a meal in Nevada.
Quote: TomGEven Steve Buscemi's character in Reservoir Dogs agreed to leave a tip when someone else was paying for the meal.
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That was Mr. Pink and he did so only under duress.
Similar to having a comped room. If you invited your friend to come along because you have a free room, and upon checkout there is a resort fee, you split it or just pay it? Or did you say but we have to split the fee?
Your friends were wrong and I don't believe none of them had money or a credit card but you should have been clearer if you expected them to pick up the tip or whatever.
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Does ANYBODY leave home without cash or a credit card?
I'm not taking this post seriously. I'm surprised that so many did.
It took how many posts for the forum to come up with the answer? All of someone's 'friends' conveniently didn't have money nor a credit card for the whopping amount of $86? And they go to a casino with NO CASH at all?
No way.
Anyone who believes this tale needs help.
Trust me.
Have seen this silliness before.
A dozen tines.
Nothing more to add.....
As far as the OP, If I'm being treated on someone else's comps, I will always offer to pay the tip. I couldn't imagine not....
The OP mentioned nothing about Vegas. That's an assumption people are making. He hasn't refuted it either.
People can be busted financially anywhere so it's probably moot. I imagine people in gambling circles are more apt to be busted financially, especially if they have already gone on a gambling binge, than non-gambling circles.
Nonetheless I remember being busted at one point in my youth when I took my family to Disney and the money ran out.
To just say a person must be lying if they say they have no cash seems rude and presumptive.
They should have offered to pay at a later date if they were cash strapped.
Edit. They apologized for being sour towards me and each and everyone of them sent me a portion of the tax and tip as an act of gratitude and apologizing.
Quote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
Quote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
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They are good Friends, it's just that we had that questionable squabble. But I do see your point.
Quote: RiverjordanQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
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They are good Friends, it's just that we had that questionable squabble. But I do see your point.
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Fair enough welcome to the forum
i should also note my opinions are probably the worse i dont have many friends and you most likely have more than me... i just hate people and nuances like this enough to not try so yeah
Quote: RiverjordanQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
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They are good Friends, it's just that we had that questionable squabble. But I do see your point.
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I would not rule out embarrassment at having no cash as reason for a defensive posture. People often get angry and make up excuses when embarrassed at a particular situation.
If they have been good friends in the past, then just move on.
Quote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
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They are good Friends, it's just that we had that questionable squabble. But I do see your point.
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Fair enough welcome to the forum
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Thank you. Also I have edited my post to point out they all apologized to me and paid the tax and tip, minus my own portion.
Quote: RiverjordanQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanQuote: heatmapQuote: RiverjordanUpdate. My Friends told me that they would have gladly chipped in for the tax and tip if I had just told them I wanted help in the tax and tip ahead of time, particularly when I was inviting them, not when the bill arrived. I can see how not telling them ahead of time that I thought they should chip in for tax and tip caused resentment. They thanked me for the dinner I had comped and paid for.
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You seem like a super nice dude just try to pick people who want to reciprocate that niceness
I personally think those people might be better as acquaintances in the future though
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They are good Friends, it's just that we had that questionable squabble. But I do see your point.
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Fair enough welcome to the forum
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Thank you. Also I have edited my post to point out they all apologized to me and paid the tax and tip, minus my own portion.
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Good to know they paid their portion of the tax and tip now.... with the money they didn't bring.... your posts are the gifts that keep on giving! Unless they all got together at some later date, figured out exactly what the total tax and tip was, subtracted the portion that would be allocated to you, and all agreed to pay the amount each would owe.... I'm SURE that is what happened!
This question made my latest Ask the Wizard column.
Quote: WizardNice to hear the story has a happy ending.
This question made my latest Ask the Wizard column.
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Did you give nathan a credit for it?
Quote: VegasriderHow much did you leave as a tip since it was comped?
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Isn't the correct amount 15-20% of the bill prior to comp consideration?
Quote: darkozIsn't the correct amount 15-20% of the bill prior to comp consideration?
It used to be ten to fifteen percent, but over the years inflation, greed, perceived entitlement and what I suspect is a deliberate attempt by employers to "guilt trip" patrions to tip more so they can keep wages lower have boosted the expected tip to rarefied levels.
"Fools and their money are soon parted' comes to mind.
I tip a modest amount.
Quote: MrVQuote: darkozIsn't the correct amount 15-20% of the bill prior to comp consideration?
It used to be ten to fifteen percent, but over the years inflation, greed, perceived entitlement and what I suspect is a deliberate attempt by employers to "guilt trip" patrions to tip more so they can keep wages lower have boosted the expected tip to rarefied levels.
"Fools and their money are soon parted' comes to mind.
I tip a modest amount.
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Well I have always done just over 17%.
The rule in NY is just tip double the sales tax (NY has high sales tax at 8.3/4% so just double it.)
Gets you in trouble when you forget other states are lower and you just double the sales tax in a low sales tax state.
I think 15-20% is the expected range. Doubling a sales tax to 16 or 17% is a normal thing to do.
In Vegas when I dont get a check because the meal is comped I have asked what would the check have been so I can tip properly.
I dont know if this a new trend but recently with comped meals no check is given... and the waiter just says "thank you, your host has taken care of this."
Then I feel awkward asking about the amount.
Quote: VegasriderHow much did you leave as a tip since it was comped?
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I left about 20 percent of the entire bill.
Quote: avianrandyThis may be a stretch,but I tried to upload the zits comic from Saturday paper but it was over 5 mb. If anybody could post a link it would be great. Sara's mother invited her teenage daughters boyfriend with them for spring break all expenses paid.had his own room and everything. They are sitting in restaurant trying to decide what to order and Jeremy announced he really isn't hungry because he ate all the snacks and drinks in the room. Sara does a face palm and Jeremy says they were free,right? Sara's mom thinking to herself have to check credit card balance. Sara and Jeremy teenagers about 16 or so. Felt sorry for Sara and her mom for Jeremy's faux pas. Sometimes it doesn't take much to make me laugh but this did
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I could see someone making an innocent mistake like Jeremy did as the snacks and drinks in hotel rooms do look complementary. Sara's Mom is actually at fault here for not telling Jeremy the snacks and drinks in the hotel room are not complementary but are to be paid for at check out.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/37031-was-i-in-the-wrong-here/
Why double post it on WoV's sister site, which is not gambling focused?
You're new here, so you get a bye.
