Need help with a Predicament
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Last night what happened was, one of my security officers discovered a car with its brake lights on in the parking lot and when he went up to the car he observed a male and a female and upon telling them to get dressed, told them to step out of the vehicle. He learned that the male was a very valued High Roller at the casino who just happens to be well let's say attached in his personal relationship elsewhere and as well he's a very well-known business owner in the community. The female just happens to be one of our all game qualified dealers of many years and she too is attached outside of this relationship in the vehicle.
Yes casinos breed bad decisions and people don't think clearly at times, but life is life. Bring the dealer up on internal rule violations and her family/husband will certainly learn of the incident. As well, the patron's family/wife and business community will as well.
So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
Thanks for your time!
Marcus Clark
Quote: Marcusclark66So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
First question: how likely is it that whoever employs the dealer will read this post? The last thing you need is for word of this liaison to get out from another source, and then somebody discover that you knew about it and "saw to it that it went away."
I appreciate your concern.
That's not to say that high rollers may do whatever they wish. At one of the casinos one of the female dealers was complaining to me about how one of the million plus high rollers was always cursing at the dealers and saying vile things like "F. your mother" whenever the high roller lost a hand. This particular high roller would make a big show out of play and sit there with a bodyguard standing behind at all times. I asked why such a player would not be thrown out, and the dealer said, "who would dare to say anything?" Later, however, I understand that this casino tightened up its stance on profanity and implemented a zero tolerance policy.
After I heard about this zero tolerance policy I was at the tables once and I started playfully cursing just to see what would happen. The dealer, who knew me well, begged me to be quiet, saying, "They're not even joking here ____, I've seen more than a few people removed lately for doing just what you are doing right now."
Interesting quandary, Mr Clark. You get to be Moderator in your casino car park.Quote: Marcusclark66I need help deciding what I should do.
Last night what happened was, one of my security officers discovered a car with its brake lights on in the parking lot and when he went up to the car he observed a male and a female and upon telling them to get dressed, told them to step out of the vehicle. He learned that the male was a very valued High Roller at the casino who just happens to be well let's say attached in his personal relationship elsewhere and as well he's a very well-known business owner in the community. The female just happens to be one of our all game qualified dealers of many years and she too is attached outside of this relationship in the vehicle.
Yes casinos breed bad decisions and people don't think clearly at times, but life is life. Bring the dealer up on internal rule violations and her family/husband will certainly learn of the incident. As well, the patron's family/wife and business community will as well.
So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
Thanks for your time!
Marcus Clark
Since you lobbied for opinions...
Do you have the discretion to shrug it off? Neither follow it up nor bury it. just shrug it off.
What rules were broken by the male? Was that in your remit to deal with?
I suspect misdemeanor (parking infringement level offence) /no
What rules were broken by the female? Was that in your remit to deal with?
I suspect fraternising with a client MIGHT be misconduct/one for HR?
In the spirit of less is more. Don't you think their embarrassment was sufficient penalty?
As to the guy who challenged them. I think he might have had some sense of humour. Maybe a tap on the window might have been plenty. Why ask them to get out of the car?
Now, what is your job? To report it? To make a decision to report it? To confront the high roller and/or employee?
I would certainly, at a minimum, do your job. If 'your job' allows you the option to choose between some different scenarios, then perhaps a 'never again' warning is in order.
That is the reason for your quandary, correct?
Not that they didn't do wrong by the standard of community (sex in public) their families (cheating) their job (philandering with a customer)?
You wouldn't give a rats behind about reporting them for their families sake if they were anyone else.
So basically you are asking how to alleve your guilt at probably not doing the right thing and burying it.
Well, that's on you. It happens all the time. You can join in and not report it for all the wrong reasons.
But don't cry when and if you get caught.
Don't say how circumspect casino security is to the next AP you catch cause he legally took your money while you probably illegally didn't report what you were supposed to or at the very least violated your job oath.
Enjoy figuring this out.
Quote: IndyJeffreyWell, your security officer did her job and reported it to you, right?
Now, what is your job? To report it? To make a decision to report it? To confront the high roller and/or employee?
I would certainly, at a minimum, do your job. If 'your job' allows you the option to choose between some different scenarios, then perhaps a 'never again' warning is in order.
Nothing, zip to the patron.
Dealer/employee. Rule violation. As well, lewd and lascivious acts in public. Private property but a public parking lot.
The never again warning is certainly a peace keeper?
That you would even consider polling outsiders for a decision like this just shows how utterly unqualified you would be to be put in such a position.
Quote: OnceDearInteresting quandary, Mr Clark. You get to be Moderator in your casino car park.
Since you lobbied for opinions...
Do you have the discretion to shrug it off? Neither follow it up nor bury it. just shrug it off.
(I could.)
What rules were broken by the male? Was that in your remit to deal with?
I suspect misdemeanor (parking infringement level offence) /no
(Lewd and lascivious acts in public)
What rules were broken by the female? Was that in your remit to deal with?
I suspect fraternising with a client MIGHT be misconduct/one for HR?
(What you cited and lewd and lascivious behavior in public on our property)
In the spirit of less is more. Don't you think their embarrassment was sufficient penalty?
(In certain ways yes)
As to the guy who challenged them. I think he might have had some sense of humour. Maybe a tap on the window might have been plenty. Why ask them to get out of the car?
(He did tap on the window, told them to get dressed and step out. His thought was the female, consensual or otherwise) (He had to)
Quote: ChumpChangeDoes it make a difference if they were filming for Only Fans?
Crap, I would have to be there all the time. Also spike up my hair with strong hold gel and wear all the gear to look good huh?
In the past, I've dated female dealers, hosts, cocktail waitresses, VIP girls. The only rule I am aware of is that staff aren't allowed in a player's room, absent permission. At one of the casinos I got permission for some of the dealers to be up in my room when I threw parties - for that sort of thing (not to spend the night, per se - just for social gatherings). Otherwise, I would always have to be staying at a resort different from the one the female staff worked at for them to be allowed to stay in my room.
The general rule as I understood it was that female staff could do whatever they wanted "off property."
Quote: Marcusclark66I just need help with my predicament I do not need help with my life or my career thank you.
I appreciate your concern.
I am trying to help you with your perdicament. You asked, "Ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?"; the problem is, since you posted it, it may not be possible for it to go away.
If it's your job to report it, then report it. You're not the one who ruined two lives. If your superiors think that it is something that should be swept under the rug, then that's their call.
Quote: Marcusclark66Bring the dealer up on internal rule violations and her family/husband will certainly learn of the incident.
You are supposedly the Professional Casino Security Expert, shouldn't we be asking you this question?
As to what I quoted above: Why is that? Perhaps because you continue to post about people's private lives on pubic forums.
I have a feeling the partons would agree with your own poll results.....
Please go away Marcus Clark!! 14 votes (41.17%)
Quote: MDawgWhat about the fact that the high roller was caught with a dealer on property?
In the past, I've dated female dealers, hosts, cocktail waitresses, VIP girls. The only rule I am aware of is that staff aren't allowed in a player's room, absent permission. At one of the casinos I got permission for some of the dealers to be up in my room when I threw parties - for that sort of thing (not to spend the night, per se - just for social gatherings). Otherwise, I would always have to be staying at a resort different from the one the female staff worked at for them to be allowed to stay in my room.
The general rule as I understood it was that female staff could do whatever they wanted "off property."
Problem is she was on property, although a public parking lot it's still our property we provide the security and we call the city or county law enforcement officials when something needs to be enforced that's a criminal infraction as well they patrol the lot as well. The private property signs are at the entrance in the buffer zone between the parking lot and the hotel casino lines.
Quote: AxelWolfYou are supposedly the Professional Casino Security Expert, shouldn't we be asking you this question?
As to what I quoted above: Why is that? Perhaps because you continue to post about people's private lives on pubic forums.
I have a feeling the partons would agree with your own poll results.....
Please go away Marcus Clark!! 14 votes (41.17%)
Sorry wrong pole.
You're bringing up old postings that the wizard closed and didn't care to continue.
That is not the choice of this pole here, you have three answers to choose from thank you for your input and your response it is appreciated.
Quote: Marcusclark66Problem is she was on property, although a public parking lot it's still our property we provide the security and we call the city or county law enforcement officials when something needs to be enforced that's a criminal infraction as well they patrol the lot as well. The private property signs are at the entrance in the buffer zone between the parking lot and the hotel casino lines.
Yes but was the dealer working at the same casino where she was caught on property with the player?
Okay here's an actual incident I just recalled. I was dating two girls who were friends from a certain resort. They were both staying with me in my suite, at a resort other than the one they worked at. One night we all three of us went to a nightclub at the casino where the girls worked, and we were seen coming into the club, and walking down the hall all three of us. Someone reported this, and both of the girls were going to lose their jobs. It was a delicate matter because they worked in casino administration, so they had jobs that were a little more important than just being VIP girls. I stepped in and told my host that if that happened - if they were fired - I would stop playing at the casino. The host told me not to worry, that would handle it, and that it wasn't that big of a deal. Actually joked that the security staff were all commenting on the "X Rated" nature of video as the three of us wound down the hall to the night club, and were taking turns watching the video. In the end, nothing happened to the girls and they kept their jobs.
Quote: Marcusclark66I need help deciding what I should do.
Last night what happened was, one of my security officers discovered a car with its brake lights on in the parking lot and when he went up to the car he observed a male and a female and upon telling them to get dressed, told them to step out of the vehicle. He learned that the male was a very valued High Roller at the casino who just happens to be well let's say attached in his personal relationship elsewhere and as well he's a very well-known business owner in the community. The female just happens to be one of our all game qualified dealers of many years and she too is attached outside of this relationship in the vehicle.
Yes casinos breed bad decisions and people don't think clearly at times, but life is life. Bring the dealer up on internal rule violations and her family/husband will certainly learn of the incident. As well, the patron's family/wife and business community will as well.
So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
Thanks for your time!
Marcus Clark
Terminate the dealer; do nothing to the player other than tell him he'd better not get caught doing the hippity-dippity in the parking lot again.
Let me count the ways.
All possible ways in the future this can come back, not saying they will happen.
1) High roller gets accused of collusion with dealer. It's pointed out he was previously caught having sex with dealer and you knew about it.
2) Dealer decides to sue for sexual harassment. This incident can be mentioned as proof management doesn't care or report incidents.
3) Someone else who is aware of the situation (you already know one other security guy is involved) sees an opportunity to blackmail the high roller and this comes out.
Quote: BoSoxApparently holding a position as a "Professional Casino Security Expert" is a nonsecure job that can be lost in a heartbeat. Putting private matters pertaining to your job openly on public display of a forum calls into question your professionalism.
I don't know. The two people having sex in the parking lot would have been a matter of public record had the casino decided to pursue charges...perhaps they are better off only being mentioned in a nameless forum post.
Quote: Mission146I don't know. The two people having sex in the parking lot would have been a matter of public record had the casino decided to pursue charges...perhaps they are better off only being mentioned in a nameless forum post.
Let's call it how it appears, MC is at the moment acting indecisive and unqualified in his position.
Quote: billryanUnder the circumstances, I'd document the incident as best I could, fire the security officer and blackmail the two of them.
We are not talking about the industry standard, we are referring to a supposed seasoned professional.
I fear your only option is to take a swan dive off the casino roof.
You snooze, you lose.
Quote: MrVYou waited too long to report it.
I fear your only option is to take a swan dive off the casino roof.
You snooze, you lose.
Have until Monday, yes.
Quote: BoSoxWe are not talking about the industry standard, we are referring to a supposed seasoned professional.
We are not talking about sides here, there are only are Haves and Have Nots.
In other words what I'm trying to say is that there are only so many places at the table.
Member with a heart!! Marcus Clark
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/03/his-ex-wife-cheated-him-he-sued-other-man-won/
Quote: Marcusclark66Have until Monday, yes.
OK, never mind, that's fine.
You really MUST report it: no other viable option.
If that woman honked his horn in his car it is no small stretch to envision her colluding with him at the table.
She's an adult: adults know that cheating can have consequences.
Oftentimes they cheat just to "start the ball rolling" so they can finally take a step toward getting out of an unhappy relaitonship.
Yes, report her, do her a favor.
Quote: Marcusclark66We are not talking about sides here, there are only are Haves and Have Nots.
In other words what I'm trying to say is that there are only so many places at the table.
Member with a heart!! Marcus Clark
Personal feelings should not enter into the equation, only the best way to keep your job. Lol
Quote: Marcusclark66So my predicament is, ruin two lives or see to that it goes away?
Your predicament appears to be that you feel you need to do something, but you want to mitigate the consequences.
You cannot please two masters.
This situation appears to involve five.
Quote: MrVOK, never mind, that's fine.
You really MUST report it: no other viable option.
If that woman honked his horn in his car it is no small stretch to envision her colluding with him at the table.
She's an adult: adults know that cheating can have consequences.
Oftentimes they cheat just to "start the ball rolling" so they can finally take a step toward getting out of an unhappy relaitonship.
Yes, report her, do her a favor.
Another side of it. Interesting. Thank you for bringing it up.
He doesn't have a limo with tinted windows nor a chauffeur.
He doesn't even have a comped suite apparently where he could have liasoned with the dealer.
Couldn't afford a hotel off casino grounds.
Couldn't afford gas to drive there?
Quote: darkoz
He doesn't even have a comped suite apparently where he could have liasoned with the dealer.
His lady acquaintance may have selected the location for the rendezvous.
It may bear some personal significance to her.
This is nothing compared to the other stuff about the casino customers he has posted. From what he has said, this is all in line with his job standards and expectations.Quote: FinsRuleAnd I would probably write you up as well for sharing this story on a public forum.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/36258-last-night-in-the-high-limit-room/
If I were to actually believe this was all legit...
I would be miffed knowing someone in his position was exposing people's private lives online. Yes, people know and understand they are being videotaped when they enter a casino, but we assume that's for protecting the casino and its customers, not exposing them publicly. I think it would make many people angry knowing their private business would be exposed on a public forum. I'm almost certain if his casino knew that he was doing this, he wouldn't have a job any longer.
Quote: JohnzimboWhat kind of a dive casino do you work for that does not have an HR department to handle this?
If we do not write her up it does not get to HR. But thanks for assuming.
If all is true, and If you do some forum research there are only a few possible locations given the information he has given us. And no need for anyone to send me a PM asking the few locations because I didn't care enough to actually remember.Quote: JohnzimboWhat kind of a dive casino do you work for that does not have an HR department to handle this?
Quote: ChumpChangeIt could have been her car.
I would think her car would be parked in the separate employees parking.
The high roller strolled casually through employees parking and they didn't see a problem doing it in that section?
Quote: Marcusclark66If we do not write her up it does not get to HR. But thanks for assuming.
So the ball is in your court. That may come back to bite you if you do not escalate it.
Seems unethical but not unprofessional: it's what the Big Boys do.
