Blackjack variance

Quote: lilredrooster

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I also only used Hi/Lo when I was playing
my feeling was that counting can be tiring
I was able to put in about 14 hours in a day - I only played one day a week
but I played every single week

my feeling was that if I tried a complex count I would get more tired
and wouldn't be able to play nearly as long
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Serious question. No disrespect intended. How difficult is it to drop the 2 and count the 5 as two instead of one?

In essence, you are betting more $$$ as 5's are removed. Which any book, sim, or chart will say is to your "advantage."

The 2? Not so much. More like an 8. A bunch of 2's coming out will increase TC. Now your betting into poor deck compositions which increase variance.

Remove all 2s. Maybe a slight threshold. Remove all 5's? Huge advantage. No?

Quote: moses

Serious question. No disrespect intended. How difficult is it to drop the 2 and count the 5 as two instead of one?

In essence, you are betting more $$$ as 5's are removed. Which any book, sim, or chart will say is to your "advantage."

The 2? Not so much. More like an 8. A bunch of 2's coming out will increase TC. Now your betting into poor deck compositions which increase variance.

Remove all 2s. Maybe a slight threshold. Remove all 5's? Huge advantage. No?

thanks for the response
I don't know how much that would increase the advantage
for me anyway, it's a moot point - I don't play anymore

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Quote: lilredrooster

thanks for the response
I don't know how much that would increase the advantage
for me anyway, it's a moot point - I don't play anymore

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Not a moot point. You seem like a bright guy.

A sim will provide the answer(s)

Point is, Im not going back into the 80's books. A simple tweak with Norm's CV Data tells me how to utilize my table time wisely.

Quote: gordonm888

WARNING: Moses you are one inch away from another suspension for insulting kewlj.

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Ive been ridiculed and insulted for 8 years? Why? Because I play single deck blackjack in Reno.

Homeless, injured Vet, Living off the Gov. You name it. All Lies.

Don S. Norm, KJ, Tarzan, T3, Bosox, Freighter, Gordon888, Franl Galvin, Gronbog, 21Forme have little to no experience in the single deck game. Still I was able to take bit and pieces from them and add it to my game.

Ive spent endless hours running (and reviewing Sims). Studying charts and graphs to the point of being accused of having an affair.

I played and competed over a Million hands.

So I will take the fifth. Self Ban of 5 days.

Moses, I started this thread to share a situation my brother was going through involving negative variance, for the first time in his 4-5 of playing. I thought it important for other players to see the kind if variance that is involved with card counting. And even if there isn't a lot of interest, in regards to posts in the thread, I STILL think it important if some new player comes along in the future, or some player experiencing a real bad run and wants to look up an old thread, that can help him understand the variance that is involved in blackjack card counting and read about others experiencing that variance.

Now along about page 2, you hijacked the thread, as far as I am concerned into another version, of the never ending "count debate" that occurs on nearly every blackjack forum or thread. Now when I say hijacked, I don't mean to imply there should be a penalty imposed or anthing, But I am respectfully asking you, if you think there needs to be a thread discussing/debating counts, please start your own thread on the topic. I will probably participate because I have strong views on the topic. Views that very much differ from your views, based on my experience.

Quote: moses

Quote: gordonm888

WARNING: Moses you are one inch away from another suspension for insulting kewlj.

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Ive been ridiculed and insulted for 8 years? Why? Because I play single deck blackjack in Reno.

Homeless, injured Vet, Living off the Gov. You name it. All Lies.

Don S. Norm, KJ, Tarzan, T3, Bosox, Freighter, Gordon888, Gronbog, 21Forme have little to no experience in the single deck game. Still I was able to take bit and pieces from them and add it to my game.

Ive spent endless hours running (and reviewing Sims). Studying charts and graphs to the point of being accused of having an affair.

I played and competed over a Million hands.

So I will take the fifth. Self Ban of 5 days.

Again, this thread isn't about YOU or your single deck play in Reno. If you want to start a thread sharing your experiences, I and I suspect other would be interested in reading, even though most of us and the card counting world, no longer has access to such games.

Quote: moses

Quote: gordonm888

WARNING: Moses you are one inch away from another suspension for insulting kewlj.

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Ive been ridiculed and insulted for 8 years? Why? Because I play single deck blackjack in Reno.

Homeless, injured Vet, Living off the Gov. You name it. All Lies.

Don S. Norm, KJ, Tarzan, T3, Bosox, Freighter, Gordon888, Franl Galvin, Gronbog, 21Forme have little to no experience in the single deck game. Still I was able to take bit and pieces from them and add it to my game.

Ive spent endless hours running (and reviewing Sims). Studying charts and graphs to the point of being accused of having an affair.

I played and competed over a Million hands.

So I will take the fifth. Self Ban of 5 days.

Okay, I will enable your 5-day self-ban by banning you. If you wish to unban yourself, send a message to OnceDear over on the DT forum.

And by the way, I played single deck BJ for may years, counting cards and making changes in decisions based on cards seen. So, when you return, please constrain your posts to defining yourself rather than defining other people who you don't really know.

Quote: lilredrooster

it's just one more day in the life of a legend
mercilessly punishing those casinos that are foolish enough to deal cards to him

a legend in his own mind


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These are clear insults. Is anyone gonna do anything? If not, is it because the insults come from someone insulting a known believer? That would be clear bias.

Sounds more like praise to me. You're not just trying to make trouble are you?

Quote: kewlj

While I appreciate this action, this is not the solution to THIS situation. Something more need be done.

Don't want to tell anyone how to do their "job", but might I suggest the moderator crew, get together and come to a better solution. My suggestion would be somehow restricting this member from making his comments of "always winning" and other unrealistic comments (like table minimum to table max spreads) in some of the legitimate gambling and AP discussions.

Why restrict the Dawg when he's just stating facts? He's come up trumps when witnessed, too. Maybe people don't like the facts?

Quote: Wellbush

Why restrict the Dawg when he's just stating facts? He's come up trumps when witnessed, too. Maybe people don't like the facts?

I didn't think there was much of a hijacking case to be made about MDawg necessarily. You, on the other hand...

It seems as one door closes, a window is opened. Strange how that works out.

Quote: Wellbush

These are clear insults. Is anyone gonna do anything? If not, is it because the insults come from someone insulting a known believer? That would be clear bias.

Take it to the appropriate thread.
But I'll save you the trouble.

LilRedRooster did not make clear insults any more than I did in my follow up. He expressed a certain exasperation at MDawg once again hijacking a thread to tell us how he always wins: how great he is. A claim that was not on topic in the thread and a clear hijack.

It's a close call as to whether that constituted an attack on the post or an attack on the member, so reminder to LilRed.

I believe that MDawg has professed his 'Great'ness a few times, and others have given him the adulation of a legend.

Quote: Wellbush

He's come up trumps when witnessed, too.

I would like to talk about this but not sure if I am allowed. I'll just limit my comment to why is the witness, Wizard, not allowed by agreement to say what he saw? Wizard is the expert and his opinion matters to some of us. Instead we get the other party telling us what Wizard saw. :/ And frankly that doesn't match up with the actions taken of moving discussions to "the losing betting systems" section.

It would be like in a court room, the witness isn't allowed to tell what he saw. Instead one of the parties involved tells you what the witness saw???? That defeats what a 'witness' is.

Quote: kewlj

I would like to talk about this but not sure if I am allowed. I'll just limit my comment to why is the witness, Wizard, not allowed by agreement to say what he saw? Wizard is the expert and his opinion matters to some of us. Instead we get the other party telling us what Wizard saw. :/ And frankly that doesn't match up with the actions taken of moving discussions to "the losing betting systems" section.

KJ,
The arrangement entered into between Wizard, MDawg and DarkOz was limited in its scope. So too was the evidence delivered from that arrangement. C'est la vie.

Just as MDawg was suspended for hijacking this thread to boast about his prowess, it would be wrong for us to hijack it too.
Now, normally I'd say take your proposed discussion to the 'adventures...' thread, but I understand you are restricted there by some other agreement. Again, C'est la vie.

I earnestly suggest that you, KJ, have made your contribution to the topic of MDawg's veracity and that you personally really ought to leave the topic alone for now.

Here be Dragons !

Quote: OnceDear

KJ,
The arrangement entered into between Wizard, MDawg and DarkOz was limited in its scope. So too was the evidence delivered from that arrangement. C'est la vie.

Just as MDawg was suspended for hijacking this thread to boast about his prowess, it would be wrong for us to hijack it too.
Now, normally I'd say take your proposed discussion to the 'adventures...' thread, but I understand you are restricted there by some other agreement. Again, C'est la vie.

I earnestly suggest that you, KJ, have made your contribution to the topic of MDawg's veracity and that you personally really ought to leave the topic alone for now.

Here be Dragons !

With all due respect Oncedear, I understand that you don't make the rules and are just following and I understand that you probably are trying to protect me. But let me ask this question in all sincerity: Why should I be restricted more than anyone else on this forum in regards to expressing my opinion on this subject, as long as I don't violate rules with a personal attack? There are other members that express their concerns repeatedly, so why am I some sort of second class citizen?

And frankly, this is the second time such restrictions and limitations have been placed on me. While I have never seen such restrictions placed on any other member on this forum.

Quote: kewlj

With all due respect Oncedear, I understand that you don't make the rules and are just following and I understand that you probably are trying to protect me. But let me ask this question in all sincerity: Why should I be restricted more than anyone else on this forum in regards to expressing my opinion on this subject, as long as I don't violate rules with a personal attack? There are other members that express their concerns repeatedly, so why am I some sort of second class citizen?

And frankly, this is the second time such restrictions and limitations have been placed on me. While I have never seen such restrictions placed on any other member on this forum.

And with all due respect back at yer...

I'm not fully familiar with what special restrictions Wizard placed on you and I make no comment about the fairness of them. I don't want to see anyone suspended for any action within the rules. Fact is, that's what I administer. I'm not going to penalise you for any breech of agreement that I'm not familiar with, nor am I going to search out reasons to suspend you under such exceptional restrictions. But that doesn't revoke such agreements and another moderator might react differently.

Again. Let's not hijack this thread!

Quote: lilredrooster

a legend in his own mind

Personal insult. Three days.

Quote: kewlj

I am not interested in some sort of short term peeing contest against some person on an internet forum, making all kind of rediculous claims for the sake of building and stroking ego.

Note: Emphasis mine.

Warning issued for making a personal insult. You don't know what mdawg's motive is and to suggest it has to do with stroking his ego I find insulting.

As any further discussion is likely to go awry, this thread will be locked for the time being.