kewlj
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March 20th, 2021 at 11:40:21 AM permalink
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Sir all due respect you do not set the standards for anybody. Serious point now the short session hit and run style of play that you use how does that help out our east coast brethren whose casino's locations are spread out miles apart? Now let's talk about the people that do play blackjack in the Los Vegas area. How can it possibly help them when your early January report shows yet another positive year, WHILE STILL BEING WELCOME TO PLAY, continuing to outwit many of the dumb casino operations in the area? I am sorry that this next part needs to be spelled out to you but, the modest amount of money winning that you report annually has absolutely nothing to do with the overall picture. This has everything to do with someone who can get away with it. Proffesional Player subjective.



Since you seem incapable of following the rules and want to disrespect the forum and administrator by not doing so, I will start your new thread for you, BoSox.

I don't know what bug is up your ass, nor care, but not only do I make no apologies for my career results, but am rather proud. 17 years, 1.2 million from blackjack, nearly 1.5 million total advantage play. I am sorry if you consider that a pittance amount that should dis-qualify myself from calling myself a "professional player" and sharing my experiences. I am very happy with my results and the levels I play, which IS part of my extended game plan. As I have stated before, I play limits that are well tolerated with an eye toward longevity because I would like to play for another 10 years. I have the bankroll to play higher stakes and make more money (annually), but that would probably result in a premature end to me being welcome to play in this town.

As for your comments about blackjack info (same owner as this forum) and 4 members there, all who are smarter than me, that may very well be true. I humbly acknowledge most people on forums that I participate on, are probably smarter than me. But that doesn't mean they are more successful in this field than I, nor does it mean that I should be disqualified from sharing my experiences. I believe I have plenty to offer any legitimate gambling related forum. Now the troll/hate forums , yes I may be overmatched. I am out of my element there.

As per the other forum you repeatedly mention, please stop trying to bait me. I am prohibited from even mentioning that forum or situation. I agree to that and am trying to stick to that agreement. If you have a problem with that, talk to Wizard.

And finally, stop your hating and trolling BoSox. It is unbecoming of you and I know you are better than this.
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:05:44 PM permalink
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I don't know what bug is up your ass, nor care, but not only do I make no apologies for my career results, but am rather proud. 17 years, 1.2 million from blackjack, nearly 1.5 million total advantage play. I am sorry if you consider that a pittance amount that should dis-qualify myself from calling myself a "professional player" and sharing my experiences. I am very happy with my results and the levels I play, which IS part of my extended game plan. As I have stated before, I play limits that are well tolerated with an eye toward longevity because I would like to play for another 10 years. I have the bankroll to play higher stakes and make more money (annually), but that would probably result in a premature end to me being welcome to play in this town.




Turn on a BIG HUGE FLASHING NEON LIGHT stating as you enter Las Vegas.
Casinos' managements are dumb and stupid and can be easily exploited. Rub it right in their face.

Then come right back on a forum and let the membership know how you share your journey and help them all out.

Sorry, I have never been impressed with any of this.
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:20:20 PM permalink
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Turn on a BIG HUGE FLASHING NEON LIGHT stating as you enter vegas.
Casinos' managements are dumb and stupid and can be easily exploited. Rub it right in their face.

Then come right back on a forum and let the membership know how you share your journey and help them all out.

Sorry, I have never been impressed with any of this.



Funny. YOU say this and throughout the years others have said just the opposite, some even accusing me of working for the casinos to entice players to las Vegas to lose. Of course neither is true. I am just a mid level player....playing.

As for "Rubbing anyone's face in it", nothing could be further from the truth. I respect those on the other side of the table / pit and show that respect by playing limits that are better tolerated and short sessions, together with lower limits that don't put these folks in a position that they have to answer for. THAT has been my whole game plan.

And the end result is most, not all, but most tend to look the other way. I am no problem for them and will be gone soon. And I will go even further that that, some pit folks, I even have a pretty decent relationship with. Mostly just friendly small talk, but it is not like waring fractions.

And I probably shouldn't mention this, but one guy at a place know as very sweaty that I play frequently, several years ago when I returned to play after my heart surgery, he told me he was glad to see me and had been praying for me. I play unrated there and wasn't sure he even knew who I was. Obviously he read my situation on one of the forums, but what a very decent man and attitude, proving no one is at war with anyone.
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:37:57 PM permalink
KewlJ, casinos do not want any possible leaks period. It is all a matter of principle to them. Did it ever occur to you why the rules of the game go from bad to worse every single year? A long-time winner in a casino is not a possibility in the casino's management's minds. They are over paranoid as it is and cover-up as many holes in their system even when there is none there. And someone like you comes along and tells the internet all about his exploits. Astonishing!
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:47:50 PM permalink
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And someone like you comes along and tells the internet all about his exploits. Astonishing!



Just stop it!. Card counting is well known. Nothing new here. For every player that comes along and plays disciplined enough to win and has the bankroll and stomach to withstand the ugly variance of the game, there are 100 that try to play with an advantage and don't or can't.

Stories of a player winning are actually good for the casinos bottom line.
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:50:02 PM permalink
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Just stop it!. Card counting is well known. Nothing new here. For every player that comes along and plays disciplined enough towinand has the bankroll and stomach to withstand the ugly variance of the game, there are 100that try to play with an advantage and don't or can't.

Stories of a player winning are actually good for the casinos bottom line.



I have almost zero experience with Blackjack card counting, but I tend to agree with KewlJ that the casinos have won more from people who think they can count cards than they have lost to people who actually can.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 20th, 2021 at 12:55:57 PM permalink
"
Stories of a player winning are actually good for the casinos bottom line."


Jackpot winners etc. Not anyone who can play with an advantage.
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March 20th, 2021 at 1:05:38 PM permalink
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I have almost zero experience with Blackjack card counting, but I tend to agree with KewlJ that the casinos have won more from people who think they can count cards than they have lost to people who actually can.




Mission146 is 100% correct in your thinking. However, there is no undertaking or amount of expense they will use to get rid of the pest that does exist that takes crumbs and are good for business sense. There is no logic in all of this, casino managements are in fact really stupid in a business sense.
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March 20th, 2021 at 1:26:38 PM permalink
From the MDawg thread
BoSox

I am not disputing at all your claimed winnings over the years. However, your presentation of these claims is misleading. To quote:

" To see just what a professional blackjack player really is, not what the movies show, just what kind of money is possible,"

Even above you refer to informing another singular player just what money is possible. Really that sounds rather selfish on your part. First, id like to say that I am very sorry that you lost your partner in life.
Quoting some of your last response:

"For the record, anyone familiar with me is probably aware that my late partner, played a unique role in assisting me with my AP play. He handled most of our machine play, managed my chip inventory, and served as my driver, which for a player playing my style of hit and run is a huge time-saving advantage. He was a great benefit to me in this role and I miss him personally and professionally."

I believe all of that, although, it is very apparent that the business side of the operation was a full two-person team effort. WAS IT NOT? Why then tell other prospective players what a singular professional can make? Is that misleading? I think so.


What's the full story there KJ? Sounds like he should have been receiving at least $50 an hour.
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March 20th, 2021 at 2:09:09 PM permalink
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What's the full story there KJ? Sounds like he should have been receiving at least $50 an hour.



Full story? I am more than happy to talk about it, Bosox, although this really has the feel of you nit picking and looking to start an argument and challenge me. It is strange that you bring this up, years after my partner has passed.

My partner and best friend from Philly followed me to Vegas a year after I moved here. He was 20 years my senior, retired, on social security disability with a very bad back. He expressed a desire to do some AP stuff. At the time, a year after I moved here, I had gotten into some supplemental machine play, which I really didn't care much for. I only got into it because another Vegas AP, convinced me that not playing the "mailer game" and taking advantage of the casinos competing with each other for local players, was in effect, "leaving money on the table".

So first thing I did was teach him what I wanted done there. Just enough machine play to draw mailer amounts that made the whole experience +EV. He handled the play, but it was my money (bankroll) and we split all proceeds 50/50.

I also taught him to play blackjack....MY WAY. :) One of three people I have now taught, although one roommate was basically a bust. So my partner, could only play limited blackjack because he could not sit at the table that long. So I developed my own unique version of the traditional call in. Father/son role play. He would play at the table and count and when he signaled, I would come over and occasionally join him with bigger bets, but usually I would just come over and say "lets go eat" or something to that effect at which he would reply "after this shoe". I mean the shoe was at a strong +EV count, so we would be leaving anyway.

Then I would openly challenge him to bet more for the remainder of the (+EV) shoe. I would say something like, well if you are going to bet, at least bet some real money, sometimes even pushing his chips in the circle. I liked to say things like "you know you can't take it with you when you die". Dealers and pit folks frequently found this amusing and sometimes even joined in with me, encouraging him to bet more (in a strong +EV situation). That is how good the act was. :/ Then win or lose at the shuffle we were off to eat (or more likely another casino).

The act got old quick locally, so was limited, but we used it on trips, to REALLY ramp up bets, pretty successfully. So any money won from this version of call in partnership was split evenly as well. And over the years when I mentioned my winning, I only included my half from this play.

As far as driving. I didn't drive in my teens or 20's. Living in the center city of an east coast city like Philly, there was no need to drive. It actually was a hassle with expensive parking and all. Easier to get around on foot, bike, public transportation and when need be cab. So when I moved to Vegas, I still didn't drive. I lived walking distance to the strip and took the bus downtown. But during that first year, as I learned about the local casinos, like Stations, Boyd, Silverton, South Point etc, spread out all over town, it became clear to me this was a car-necessary town. I got my license, leased a car (a few months later, won a truck at South Point) and about this time, my partner had followed me to Vegas, and being that he was traveling around town with me, doing machine play and occasional blackjack partnership, he just sort of started handling all the driving.

For the hit and run style I had adopted, it didn't change my results, but did enable me to get in and out of casinos quicker, which was a big benefit. I paid the gas, and expenses on the vehicles. He drove, which he had to do anyway to do his machine play. He got free lunch every day. We never discussed that he should get a salary for driving. He got his share of the AP plays in which he participated. We were both happy with the arrangement, so it seems odd that you seem to have a problem with it. But if it makes you feel any better, when he passed I gave his adult kids (who he didn't have much of a relationship with) some money. More than he had to his name with his social security and half our AP play.

Anything else on your mind, BoSox?

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