billryan
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November 19th, 2020 at 1:31:44 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

I live less than ten miles from a border with two other states. There are at least a dozen state border crossing roads within ten miles of my house that are not even close to being "interstate highways". If you prevent people from driving on the interstates then they just use the back roads. The purpose of this hairbrained idea is to prevent the virus from crossing state lines. This is not a situation with a history of established "hard" international boundaries. People in New England cross state lines to buy groceries and play golf on one course that is in two states.

Solutions have to be practical, reasonable, and enforceable.

Mayors in cities near me have promulgated "EXECUTIVE ORDERS" that are enforceable only within the boundaries of their tiny little municipalities. Rhode Island has thirty nine (39!) different cities and towns, several just slightly larger than one square mile. These local poo-bahs think that they are emperors when in fact they are nothing more than the Head Raccoon at the lodge with a self-generated false sense of power. They look and sound like the fools that they are.

Right after we close all the interstates, lets order everyone to the seashore with a teaspoon. It's only because the rate of compliance is too low that we have not yet stopped the tide from coming in!



Again, there are numerous choke points that would shut down the highways. As I mentioned, how many ways are there for New Englanders to cross the Hudson? I can only think of five bridges but there may be another one or two I am forgetting. Two of them ,Bear Mountain and the Rip Van Winkle bridge are mostly local bridges.
In much of the west, the interstates are the only roads that connect various cities. Take Las Vegas, as an example. Try heading east without taking an interstate. There are two bridges over the Colorado River if you are heading towards I-40. I-15 has the California Border Protection station just south of Primm. Other than that, there is a dirt road that goes from Goodsprings over the mountains that eventually gets you to I-15 somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
Where I live, if you want to go to Tuscon, Phoenix , Vegas or California, it's the interstate or pretty much nothing. Going east, it's I-40 or Arizona 80, a desolate leftover from pre-interstate days with exactly one gas station from where it starts at I-40 in Benson to the New Mexico border some 140 miles away. It's one lane in both direction and is a notorious speed trap that could easily be shut down if needed.
LuckyPhow
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November 19th, 2020 at 4:00:09 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm afraid a new shutdown in Vegas is inevitable. And since the holiday season between Thanksgiving and Christmas is traditionally slow, this would have less economic consequence.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sisolak-restrictions-to-slow-spread-of-covid-19-coming-very-soon-2186014/



Alan,

A person can now purchase a do-it-yourself C-virus test kit. Nothing gets sent to a lab. It's like a do-it-yourself drug test someone can do at home. There is no way to do tracing on people who test positive, unless the test taker chooses to do so. Someone can present their home-done negative test if needed to get hired at a new job, but NV never counts -- or even knows about -- that test.

Lotsa opportunity for chicanery, too. Someone wants a particular job, but must demonstrate a negative test. That person tests positive, and perhaps should not be in that job because of C-virus. Another family member takes the test and has a negative test that the person presents as their own.

As I see it, the bottom line is that we cannot control the virus without timely, effective tracing of new C-virus cases. And states will increasingly find difficulty in identifying the new-case count because of home testing. The data becomes increasingly unreliable because there is no way to reliably identify all new C-virus cases. Pandora's Box has been thrown open in such a way we cannot close it.

Close the casinos if you want to do it, but doing so may have small effect on the pandemic overall. Fauci predicted "wildfire," and here it is. Start putting the overflow in tents outside or enclosures in hospital parking garages. We are such toast. (And I gamble. I'm generally an optimist.)

Am I missing something?? Anyone?? Hullo??
AlanMendelson
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November 19th, 2020 at 4:13:34 PM permalink
You're missing that the virus spreads. Closing casinos will stop the spread in casinos.

Frankly, close the restaurants and bars and other businesses for three weeks as well.
DeMango
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November 19th, 2020 at 5:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

We won't make it to February as a society.


Duly noted and quoted. Nominated for post of the year.
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SOOPOO
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November 20th, 2020 at 5:07:23 AM permalink
No one is saying close the interstates. What they are saying is close them to ‘non essential travel’. As we have seen, the definition of ‘essential’ is laughable. Only talking NY State, but if you are going to the dry cleaners that was deemed essential! My county is ‘locking down’ tomorrow. Schools going all virtual. Restaurants only take out. But apparently MOST businesses will still be open. Another fake lockdown to look like something is being done.
racquet
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November 20th, 2020 at 7:56:32 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

If the President shut down the interstate highway system... A national lockdown... would be both legal and fairly simple to enforce.



That's what this guy said. "SHUT DOWN THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM."

My comments are solely about how impossible that would be, and that it would in no way stop the spread at state borders.

Agreed, where there are limited points of crossing - rivers with a fixed number of bridges and tunnels, you could, at great expense, barricade those crossings.

Ignoring the Hudson River, which for much of it's length is NOT a state border, how many crossings are there between NY and Vermont?

Assuming you would use the Hudson as a natural barrier, what happens to the people EAST of the Hudson living between it and CT, MA and VT? They're New Yorkers too.

Practical solutions should be considered and debated. Barricading the onramps to I-95? Get real.
billryan
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November 20th, 2020 at 8:00:40 AM permalink
Bars have to close by ten PM, because evidently your chances of catching the virus increase after midnight. Of course, they don't actually have to close at ten, they can't serve after that. Domino's is considered an essential business.
In my business , two of my largest suppliers are both in the Dallas area. Mycomicshop and Heritage Auctions. During the last lockdown, MCS was ordered to close but Heritage was allowed to stay open. Why was one shut down and the other allowed to stay open? Heritage auctions guns a few times a year and gun sellers were classified as essential services.
In anticipation of another lockdown, how many business owners are now studying the list of essential business's and figuring out how to add a product line in order to be deemed essential.
In my case, my business remains closed to the public but I could open and stay open in a lockdown simply by adding milk to the items I sell. As it turns out, there is not a store selling milk within a two mile radius of my address so by adding it to my wares, I could qualify as an essential business. Or I could stock a few rifles and do the same.
DRich
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November 20th, 2020 at 8:25:36 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Bars have to close by ten PM, because evidently your chances of catching the virus increase after midnight. Of course, they don't actually have to close at ten, they can't serve after that. .



That is the most ridiculous idea that I have seen so far. If bars are spreading the disease, close them down. Limiting ours is ridiculous.
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ChumpChange
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November 20th, 2020 at 10:37:56 AM permalink
With toll roads reading license plates, it'd be easy to issue tickets for people being on the road during a road closure. If it's too snowy, that may be your only hope.
DeMango
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November 20th, 2020 at 10:53:16 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

With toll roads reading license plates, it'd be easy to issue tickets for people being on the road during a road closure. If it's too snowy, that may be your only hope.

Registering your license plate as an essential worker! What a thought!
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