The new WoV
I am a blackjack player, supporting myself solely from blackjack play for 16 years now. That doesn't make me special or afford me special rights. There are a fair number of AP's on this forum that support themselves or significantly subsidize their income by means of advantage play. BUT, when a guy, like Alan, who has proven to be, even admitted being anti-AP, that would be dislikes advantage players simply because they win, constantly challenges me, and a technique that I employ, that a fair number of other top blackjack advantage players employ, I HAVE to be able to defend myself against this attempt to discredit me.
This has been going on for 3 years, with this guy. It isn't new. He is a life long losing, -EV player. We are not allowed to use the term degenerate gambler here, but his own son came on to a forum and described him as that, saying that his gambling addiction has effected relationships with children and grandchildren. I don't write this to be mean.....IT IS RELEVANT. This is why the guy is anti-AP, disliking those that choose to play with an advantage, while he "donates" to the casinos month after month, year after year.
So whether, management chooses to suspend or ban me again, I am done here. I will not participate on a forum that I can not defend myself against attacks on my credibility. That is just preposterous.
Why does anyone post at a forum? I enjoy writing about my life experiences, past and ongoing, and posting them at a forum is something like an ongoing diary. Some people can't handle that and have to question why anyone would take the time to post on a forum (while they themselves are taking the time to post such queries 😇). I try to stay on topic with MDawg Investments and MDawg Adventures, but naturally, at times, we digress.
I am not sure why someone who is himself at a forum would question why another is posting at a forum. Seems nonsensical to me.
It takes me seconds to whip up one of these posts, and...back to work! How long does it take an artist to fill a canvas? Well, I suppose it depends on his level of skill, and...not like these are DaVincis anyway, more like comic strip frames as far as effort required to produce them. One thing I don't do though, is post anything mobile (via smart phone) at this or any forum, don't have time for that when on the go.
It is possible to disagree with someone and keep it relatively civil, such as today's ongoing discussion in the MDawg Investment thread.
Anyway, cya on the other side. Good luck.
No one said you can't defend yourself. I defend myself all the time on WOV.
Just do it civil.
Hopefully you reconsider
You can certainly defend yourself all day any way you like over at the urinal.
Instead of arguing why you can count two tables at once you can argue why someone likes to take sausage and ram...
Oh darn gonna get suspended if I talk like they do.
Quote: kewljFirst, I want to thank Wizard again for re-instating me after 4 years. I know that wasn't easy for him. But unfortunately WoV, in it's current form, as it is currently run, just isn't going to work for me. No offense to Mike or anyone else, but this just is not the forum I joined in 2012 that was about gambling and advantage play. It has morphed into some weird social clubhouse.
I am a blackjack player, supporting myself solely from blackjack play for 16 years now. That doesn't make me special or afford me special rights. There are a fair number of AP's on this forum that support themselves or significantly subsidize their income by means of advantage play. BUT, when a guy, like Alan, who has proven to be, even admitted being anti-AP, that would be dislikes advantage players simply because they win, constantly challenges me, and a technique that I employ, that a fair number of other top blackjack advantage players employ, I HAVE to be able to defend myself against this attempt to discredit me.
This has been going on for 3 years, with this guy. It isn't new. He is a life long losing, -EV player. We are not allowed to use the term degenerate gambler here, but his own son came on to a forum and described him as that, saying that his gambling addiction has effected relationships with children and grandchildren. I don't write this to be mean.....IT IS RELEVANT. This is why the guy is anti-AP, disliking those that choose to play with an advantage, while he "donates" to the casinos month after month, year after year.
So whether, management chooses to suspend or ban me again, I am done here. I will not participate on a forum that I can not defend myself against attacks on my credibility. That is just preposterous.
I figured you would be a stronger person and be able to handle AM easily.... say like this....
"Alan, I can track and count two BJ tables occasionally, conditions permitting. I know many other AP's that can and DO do the same. You can say anything you want on the matter but I will not respond again to you on the subject."
By the way, there are guys that can play a dozen chess games simultaneously WITHOUT BOARDS. I would say remembering the count on two separate BJ tables is infinitely easier.
So kewlj, how come can't just make a single post stating your beliefs, and perhaps ONE in rebutting someone? I think you and AM went on athread hijack of maybe 30 posts each, essentially not saying anything different for those 60 posts?
I've said this before.... your stories and ideas and explanation of your AP life is one of the most valuable additions to the forum. That you would not be able to handle a naysayer like I've mentioned is something I think you should work on, and stay here while doing so.
Remember, he has little credibility after the 18 yo's in a row thing. To the vast majority of members here your credibility is fully intact.
Quote: SOOPOOI would say remembering the count on two separate BJ tables is infinitely easier.
Alan's point was that a player at one table can't see the cards at a second table well enough to count them.
He beat that horse nearly to death, but it aint dead yet.
Quote: coachbellyAlan's point was that a player at one table can't see the cards at a second table well enough to count them.
And here we go again. Not a single page of responses and the never-ending table counting thread is back in session.
Do admins here have the ability to re-title a thread? Do they have the ability to make it that only a specified list of posters can respond to it? Rename this thread to "The Never Ending KewlJ AlanMendelson Pissing Contest", make only those two able to read or respond to it, and leave the two of them locked, alone, in the padded cell. If either one responds, anywhere else, on this topic, either add the response to the bottom of this "conversation" or just delete it altogether with no comment or notice.
I appreciate almost everything either one of them has to say about almost everything - except what they have to say about the other. I know it's like being a big fan of John Wilkes Booth, except for that one bad performance at Ford's Theater, but so long as they stay off this topic or one another, I can tolerate them both.
How about suspending either one if they mention this topic, or each other? That could be martingaled, such that - next time - six days. Give KewlJ a pass on the OP for this thread since technically he did not re-initiate the battle.
Maybe if ANYONE starts in again on counting more than one table at the same time, that's against the rules? There are now FOUR things that should NEVER be discussed in polite company: sex; politics; religion; and counting multiple blackjack games.
Quote: racquetMaybe if ANYONE starts in again on counting more than one table at the same time, that's against the rules?
Maybe the rule should be that any reply must be fewer words than the post being replied to.
Lol. In the absence of complaints, no action just yet. We're all grown-ups here.Quote: darkoz
Instead of arguing why you can count two tables at once you can argue why someone likes to take sausage and ram...
Oh darn gonna get suspended if I talk like they do.
I hope KewlJ sticks around as I, for one, value his experience.
Quote: OnceDearLol. In the absence of complaints, no action just yet. We're all grown-ups here.
I hope KewlJ sticks around as I, for one, value his experience.
To be clear that is a horrible homophobic insult constantly bandied over at the OTHER forum.
I wasn't aiming that at KJ as an insult but pointing out WOV is better because we don't stoop to that level.
And suggesting he is better off staying here.
I know, and I read it that way, as not being meant insultingly or maliciously.Quote: darkozTo be clear that is a horrible homophobic insult constantly bandied over at the OTHER forum.
Quote: billryanWe should have a thread dedicated to dramatic exits.
And entrances.
Look, it's like people want to talk about how much money, etc, they all have. Then, if it's not enough, well, they go find a bigger one to try to whirl around in front of everyone's face.
But, why bother if you really do have a big one? Why spend years building up some glamorous or whatever reputation, but, then, come to an anonymous play pen to prove yourself?
Hence, the endless fake "drama".
Look, I respect Alan. He's been a top notch journalist and professional writer. Why he goes on these binges, who knows? I can tell you, he had some very strange long shot explanations for why I was able to give a paper at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk Taking. Like I was some kind of outside speaker who hadn't been vetted but was invited for some arbitrary reason. So anyway, I did learn something (I didn't know these speakers existed at professional conferences; never saw or heard of one), but who even goes there? What? My self-presentation is so uneducated that I just couldn't have been the writer of a vetted paper? I mean, it was just a dog-with-a-bone thing for Alan. It made no sense. The counting two tables argument makes no sense, either.
It is annoying as hell. You have a polished, professional AP taken to task by a civilian, and there's no overriding gambling decider-of-the-forum who comes forward and says, "This is silly. Of course people can count two tables." It's pretty much the same as arguing that you can drive a car around a race track at 200 mph and somebody else says you can't because he hasn't done it and nobody he knows has done it.
There's no way around the context in which a professional AP posts. More than 99% of all players lose. Those players, especially those who have lost significant amounts for years, are going to be motivated to say that nobody can win via skill, because then they have to acknowledge that they have lost and they lack skill.
The larger the percent of serious professionals on a site, the more likely they are to verify what can be done to win. And the more likely they are to defend somebody spelling out how to win. The more a place is like a chess club and pretty much everyone loses, the less likely you are to get people defending a lifetime winner.
It's the circle of life.
Quote: redietzThere's no way around the context in which a professional AP posts. More than 99% of all players lose. Those players, especially those who have lost significant amounts for years, are going to be motivated to say that nobody can win via skill, because then they have to acknowledge that they have lost and they lack skill.
Show me a single system player who bothered to talk or worry about any AP. It's always the (totally unproved) AP's, who talk and worry about how evil the system players are. They think that they have to point something out to everyone.
No, Alan didn't wake up, one day, all on his own, and, then, decide to spend the next so many years of his life to talk and worry about some anonymous casino player named KJ. No, KJ shoved it in front of Alan. How else could Alan know that KJ counted many tables at once?
No one says less about who they are, what they do, but, goes on at greater length about how good they are versus how bad everyone else is, than the (totally unproved) AP's.
Anyway, even if could count more tables, what, mathematically, could be the benefit? In terms of added value(s)? Is the counter going to flit to a different table twenty-five percent of the time? Hit-and-run KJ hangs around this long?
Quote: redietzYou have a polished, professional AP... The larger the percent of serious professionals on a site, the more likely they are to verify what can be done to win. And the more likely they are to defend somebody spelling out how to win.
This is a big reason why I come here - to hear advice from people that I know can do this better than me. To learn. And reading posts from people in the business who provide behind-the-scenes insight to what goes on in a casino, whether it be comps, procedures, back rooms, whatever.
To the extent that these people are driven away, my interest in this site goes with them. You can only listen to ranting nutcases for so long before it stops being interesting, and if that's all that's in a thread, you stop following it. A recent thread about someone going through a bout with the virus diverged into something else. It never got back on track, so even though it's got an eye-catching title, I don't bother watching anymore because that's not at all what it's about.
If they both let it go... if one of them would let the OTHER guy have the last word, it would fade away. Regardless of what I think about the specific topic, my respect for the one that leaves it alone would be far greater than for the one who just... will... not... STOP!
Quote: racquetThis is a big reason why I come here - to hear advice from people that I know can do this better than me. To learn. And reading posts from people in the business who provide behind-the-scenes insight to what goes on in a casino, whether it be comps, procedures, back rooms, whatever.
To the extent that these people are driven away, my interest in this site goes with them. You can only listen to ranting nutcases for so long before it stops being interesting, and if that's all that's in a thread, you stop following it. A recent thread about someone going through a bout with the virus diverged into something else. It never got back on track, so even though it's got an eye-catching title, I don't bother watching anymore because that's not at all what it's about.
If they both let it go... if one of them would let the OTHER guy have the last word, it would fade away. Regardless of what I think about the specific topic, my respect for the one that leaves it alone would be far greater than for the one who just... will... not... STOP!
To put this in some context, can you give a few examples of advice you've gotten here?
Quote: billryanTo put this in some context, can you give a few examples of advice you've gotten here?
There was a long running thread on vulturing ultimate X.
And of course I notoriously posted a few of my plays
Quote: darkozThere was a long running thread on vulturing ultimate X.
And of course I notoriously posted a few of my plays
Back when Alan ran VCT, I actually learned quite a bit from his posts about the various comp systems and how they worked.
I rarely offered a WHAT TO DO at VCT, but when I did , it was a practical, good one. Like which sports books offered more generous futures than others, how to streamline a shopping expedition to get them, and even where to park and what sequence of places to visit. My primary value to other posters was telling people WHAT NOT TO DO. But recreational gamblers don't really like to be told what not to do.
Anyway, I think that's the covert value of having people like kewlJ on a site like this. As far as blackjack goes, he is willing to tell you what not to do, and that is a really big deal. If I remember the Alan/kewlJ interaction correctly, kewlJ did not proclaim some thread with a title, "I Count Two Tables!" He just brought it up matter of fact-ly, and Alan flat out thought he was telling some wild story. Alan immediately ran out and photographed some strip tables (and blurrily) in the middle of the night. Maybe Alan had too much coffee that night and committed to the whole argument; I don't know. Sometimes he does that.
Quote: billryanTo put this in some context, can you give a few examples of advice you've gotten here?
I learned how to vulture Ultimate X and spot +EV on Golden Egypt.
I learned about +EV half point parlay cards.
I learned best ways to get a higher tier at the lowest cost
I learned a few other things after meeting with Axel.
I learned the great play Darkoz did
I learned about how to use loss rebates
I learned about best ways to use a match play.
I’ve made friends for life from here.
Quote: billryanTo put this in some context, can you give a few examples of advice you've gotten here?
There are three or four regular contributors that seem to me to be accomplished advantage players. They consistently offer advice to other posters, often debunking standard misconceptions about the game submitted by new members.
Romes has a series of articles or posts that I have printed and still refer to for reminders about how to play.
I have never been able to get my head around Kelly, but there is enough here to whet my appetite.
Different experiences with getting that tap on the shoulder that indicate you've been discovered. The badges earned getting kicked out of El Cortez. Not advice per se, but reminders that you need to keep your wits about you whenever you play. I got tapped out at Foxwoods in the early spring this year, and the stories related here were enough for me to conclude that it was time to move on from that establishment. These tales, embellished or not, constitute good advice for me.
The mathematics of obscure adjustments in counting generate countless nerd-like exchanges that provide, for me at least, a good lesson: don't sweat any more than the first eighteen adjustments of basic strategy. Only theologians go orgasmic trying to decide how many low cards can fit on the head of a pin. I need this reminder every once in a while.
I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to go off the deep end. There was a thread last year from somebody whose handle I forget about pre-shuffled cards from Asia that had everything, including a grassy knoll and second shuffler. It offered no good advice you couldn't have gotten from an episode of the Twilight Zone. But those threads exist on the fringe and can be noted, and ignored.
Not to re-awaken the beast, but a discussion of HOW to track two tables - the practical method of how to do it - would be advice. I think it's so unlikely and difficult for me to do that I'd file it away with Index Play #79, but I'm intrigued enough about it to see what it's like the next time I play.
If you're not here to learn - even if you are going to a casino for the first time in your life and want to avoid looking like a fool - why do you come here?
Quote: racquet
If you're not here to learn -
wanting to learn is admirable
but there's a lot of phony stuff that gets touted here that could be confusing to a newbie
same sh.. different day - betting patterns, betting streaks, stop loss, stop win, intuitive advantage, some variation of the martingale
some of the best posters at shooting down that crap don't post here anymore or very rarely
and quite a few have just given up on shooting it down as it's a losing battle - it never ends
And this is unfortunate, but kewlJ stating that he is gay made him a target, and I got to see the responses, ugly as they have been. It gave me an appreciation for the hate opportunities anonymity provides on forums, and how people I might have thought I knew really had some serious, deep issues.
One of my favorite posters was Paigow Dan, who, unfortunately passed away. He was very anti-AP and was constantly berating any attempted use of intellect or mathematical knowledge to gain an upper hand in the game. Even though I thought he was wrong - you cannot help but bring your mind with you into the casino, why not use it? - I appreciated his contrary perspective. Today, reasonable, debatable differences of opinion, sooner or later, devolve into dictionary definitions of a single word or phrase in a post, and whether that definition constitutes a "personal insult."
I was glad to see Kewlj's return. His personal story, with his physical and family difficulties, made his obvious success in the business something that I admire and respect even more. It's not easy to be an AP, even if you do have an innate ability to count multiple tables at the same time. Larry Bird and Magic are not hanging out on a basketball site sharing stories and suggestions to over-60 hoop hackers. I appreciate the time people like KewlJ, Romes and others spend with me.
Quote: racquetI agree that the amount of debunking that used to happen here has gone way down. Conspiracy theories abound, but there's no more increase of those here than anywhere else nowadays. The internet is both a blessing and a curse in that regard. My opinion is that the influx of trolls and people who will pick a fight over just about anything has driven away a lot of folks who used to provide insight.
I was glad to see Kewlj's return. His personal story, with his physical and family difficulties, made his obvious success in the business something that I admire and respect even more. It's not easy to be an AP, even if you do have an innate ability to count multiple tables at the same time. Larry Bird and Magic are not hanging out on a basketball site sharing stories and suggestions to over-60 hoop hackers. I appreciate the time people like KewlJ, Romes and others spend with me.
Let's face it. In other senses, AP is just another term for troll, deadbeat, stiff, and, cheapskate. Moochers?
Why should and ought the casinos tolerate any AP's? Slot vultures skim the jackpots from the ones they so nicely call "ploppie" fools. Card counters overstay their welcome. There are "deals" to be had everywhere, in life, and people out chasing such. Say, what do you call a cheap husband? I mean, there's a word for everything.
Speaking of KJ, he spewed his nonsense every chance he got, everywhere he could. I don't think that any of the forums asked specifically KJ to come over (to spew the nonsense). Probably left here, again, because he realized that the perennial crop of wide-eyed, "green" counters had dried up. People who actually went, and, tried it, only to find out, for themselves, it was all nonsense.
Quote: Freddy911....
Well, Freddy911, I'd have to say this has been an interesting set of four initial posts you have made since first joining the forum just yesterday. Where have you been?
That's complete total BULLSH*T!!!Quote: redietz
And this is unfortunate, but kewlJ stating that he is gay made him a target
KJ made himself a target long before he ever made mention of being gay going back long before that. KJ has had some type of beef with a considerable amount of regulars on these forums for multiple different reasons that has nothing to do with his sexual preference.
I won't argue that it's been used as a weapon at times against him on some of the other forums.
Quote: DocWell, Freddy911, I'd have to say this has been an interesting set of four initial posts you have made since first joining the forum just yesterday. Where have you been?
Nevermind. I see that Freddy is gone now.
he slithered from under a rock.Quote: DocWell, Freddy911, I'd have to say this has been an interesting set of four initial posts you have made since first joining the forum just yesterday. Where have you been?
If it's the same guy, he's a big piece of trash who's entire life is devoted to trashing this website and the members here, mostly Mike and any of the regulars who are somewhat outspoken and support the wizard of Vegas. He keeps a daily update with his skewed very hateful spin on an entire thread dedicated to trashing this forum along with a few other outcasts the thread has been going for years. I think he mostly just talks to himself, I don't think anyone actually goes to that forum. Perhaps Mdawg does since it's a -EV and system players paradise.
Quote: AxelWolfThat's complete total BULLSH*T!!!
KJ made himself a target long before he ever made mention of being gay going back long before that. KJ has had some type of beef with a considerable amount of regulars on these forums for multiple different reasons that has nothing to do with his sexual preference.
I won't argue that it's been used as a weapon at times against him on some of the other forums.
To be clear, I am referencing what I learned from kewlJ on all forums, not just here. Since I haven't been here much, and kewlJ hasn't been here much except recently, I thought that was obvious. And if you're going to argue that his being gay didn't make him a target on other forums, good luck with that, Axel.
You seem a tad sensitive because your "jokes" or gay jabs on other forums aren't exactly PC. I'm anti-PC myself, but your gay stuff has been less than hilarious.
Quote: DocWell, Freddy911, I'd have to say this has been an interesting set of four initial posts you have made since first joining the forum just yesterday. Where have you been?
Even philosophers can be losers (I'm talking casino-wise, not in some overall, ummm, philosophical sense).
Quote: Freddy911
Speaking of KJ, he spewed his nonsense every chance he got, everywhere he could.
Rob, only someone without any grasp on math whatsoever would label KJ's AP related claims as "nonsense". So I'm not in the least bit surprised you'd say this.
Quote: AxelWolfThat's complete total BULLSH*T!!!
KJ made himself a target long before he ever made mention of being gay going back long before that. KJ has had some type of beef with a considerable amount of regulars on these forums for multiple different reasons that has nothing to do with his sexual preference.
I won't argue that it's been used as a weapon at times against him on some of the other forums.
Don't forget he was dead at one point.
Nope, I'm not sensitive to it at all.Quote: redietzTo be clear, I am referencing what I learned from kewlJ on all forums, not just here. Since I haven't been here much, and kewlJ hasn't been here much except recently, I thought that was obvious. And if you're going to argue that his being gay didn't make him a target on other forums, good luck with that, Axel.
You seem a tad sensitive because your "jokes" or gay jabs on other forums aren't exactly PC. I'm anti-PC myself, but your gay stuff has been less than hilarious.
I'm not trying to call him out or or anything like that. I will not dispute that people used some homophobic slurs and weren't pretty nasty to him regarding his sexuality but him being gay has nothing to do with him being a target. There might have been a few people that had an automatic dislike for him knowing he was gay, but I certainly doubt It was anyone he gave a rat's ass about.
redietz: "what I learned from kewlJ on all forums"
And that's what's so confusing. Everyone that knows even part of his history across multiple forums would have learned something totally different than you're indicating. If you took out the fact that he was gay nothing else would have really changed, he would have still been the same target for all the other reasons.
Quote: AxelWolfNope, I'm not sensitive to it at all.
I'm not trying to call him out or or anything like that. I will not dispute that people used some homophobic slurs and weren't pretty nasty to him regarding his sexuality but him being gay has nothing to do with him being a target. There might have been a few people that had an automatic dislike for him knowing he was gay, but I certainly doubt It was anyone he gave a rat's ass about.
redietz: "what I learned from kewlJ on all forums"
And that's what's so confusing. Everyone that knows even part of his history across multiple forums would have learned something totally different than you're indicating. If you took out the fact that he was gay nothing else would have really changed, he would have still been the same target for all the other reasons.
Let's face it.
Just being on a forum makes you a target
Quote: MDawgI am not sure
I try to stay on topic with MDawg Investments and MDawg Adventures, but naturally, at times, we digress.
It is possible to disagree with someone and keep it relatively civil, such as today's ongoing discussion in the MDawg Investment thread.
Kind of the same as what's happening in Chicago, Wisconsin and Minneapolis with the protesters and the people that peacefully disagree. ROMFAL big time.
Quote: MDawg
It is possible to disagree with someone and keep it relatively civil
you mean like when you were doxxing WOV members on other forums?
is that your definition of civil?
Quote: lilredroosteryou mean like when you were doxxing WOV members on other forums?
is that your definition of civil?
10 stars on a 5 scale. Triple ROMFAL. Have a great day!
Quote: lilredroosteryou mean like when you were doxxing WOV members on other forums?
is that your definition of civil?
I did no such thing. Bring the images and quotes over here to get yourself suspended at WOV if you have such proof, and it's worth it to you. You might have already gotten yourself suspended by referring to content at other forums, except perhaps for the fact that you're referring to non-existent or mischaracterized content.
As far as Axel, he's batting about...ohhhh....95% of every post he's made in the past couple months either refers to me by name or alludes to me. Keep it up! Greatness leads to great envy. I don't think I've even said a word about him in quite some time. Why would I? Why would I care about someone like that. He (and others like MarcusClark66 and lilredrooster) may keep showing how much they worship the ground I walk on by constantly talking about me. 😇 But, please, refer all content to either my Adventures or Investments threads.
Quote: MDawgI did no such thing.
yeah you did -
I sent PMs to two of those you doxxed when you did it to let them know about it
it's known by several here that you did it
I'm not going to provide proof - that would be doxxing them again
I haven't got time to play games with you
if you think you have enough to get me suspended - go ahead
whatever - I could care less
Quote: lilredroosteryeah you did -
whatever - I could care less
But some do care especially those with hundreds and hundreds of pages where they claim their internet character...............
See when people live on the internet specifically on forums it does matter to them and they have to defend the issues with alibis and defenses, that sets them above everybody else. Including that of not being respectful to others.
It's no different than a peaceful protest having people that simply disagree come in and state their case. Then the agitators and others people become violent with alternative causes and subsequently some elaborate well-to-do business person, public official or attorney comes in, lies while smoothing things over with wording that doesn't mean much or get anything done and then the cycle just repeats itself over and over again.
It's no different on the forums.
I'm pretty sure he was suspended here for a minor case of doxing / attempted doxing as well.Quote: lilredroosteryeah you did -
I sent PMs to two of those you doxxed when you did it to let them know about it
it's known by several here that you did it
I'm not going to provide proof - that would be doxxing them again
I haven't got time to play games with you
if you think you have enough to get me suspended - go ahead
whatever - I could care less
Quote: Marcusclark66Kind of the same as what's happening in Chicago, Wisconsin and Minneapolis with the protesters and the people that peacefully disagree. ROMFAL big time.
Exactly the same post as this one. Let's make it seven days this time, for personal insult and political statement.
Quote: lilredroosteryou mean like when you were doxxing WOV members on other forums?
Three-day suspension for:
1. Personal insult -- impugning the character of another member. The complainant denies the accusation.
2. Quoting (in a general way) from other forums.
He can deny it all he wants that doesn't make it untrue. I'm not going to be bothered to go look it up, if someone else does and sends me a link, I'll be more than happy to post it up and take a suspension.Quote: WizardThree-day suspension for:
1. Personal insult -- impugning the character of another member. The complainant denies the accusation.
2. Quoting (in a general way) from other forums.
How ironic.
Quote: billryanThe New WOV.
How ironic.
Agreed.
What am I missing?
