kewlj
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:11:30 PM permalink
A 28 year old Las Vegas man was arrested yesterday after he paid a homeless man $6 to do a back flip resulting in injury and death to the homeless man. As despicable as this is, I don't see how it is a crime. Seems like a transaction between two consenting adults. What am I missing?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-man-accused-goading-homeless-man-deadly-stunt-arrested-n1233990
ChumpChange
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:23:33 PM permalink
Without reading the article, I've gotta figure it's like feeding somebody else's parking meter.
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:41:55 PM permalink
Did you watch the video? They
laughed and laughed for 10
min and wouldn't let anyone
call for help.

Jones was taken into custody on July 14 and booked into the Clark County Detention Center for felony willful disregard of a personís safety.
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kewlj
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:46:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Did you watch the video? They
laughed and laughed for 10
min and wouldn't let anyone
call for help.

Jones was taken into custody on July 14 and booked into the Clark County Detention Center for felony willful disregard of a personís safety.



No I did not watch the video as I didn't want to see it. That makes more sense.
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:50:38 PM permalink
The behavior just is so gross. I get why you say it's not a crime and there's consent, but if someone holds the prospect of money over you and you're in a financially vulnerable position the question of how much choice do you really have is raised. I liken it to employees who have to work multiple jobs to pay bills or are afraid of speaking out about workplace safety violations for fear of losing a job.
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kewlj
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:59:55 PM permalink
I don't know, if you buy a ticket to a boxing match or MMA event, or a motorcycle daredevil jumping over 30 school buses, you are in a sense "enticing" all to do possible harm to themselves with money. This is just a smaller scale of that.

I think what changes this story, that I wasn't originally aware of is not calling for help or not allowing others to call for help once the man was hurt. And even that, I am not sure about. Are we legally required to call for help for someone? Is there a good Samaritan law like in the Seinfeld episode?
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July 16th, 2020 at 12:55:35 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Is there a good Samaritan law like in the Seinfeld episode?



No. David Cash comes to mind who witnessed his friend murder a 7-year-old girl at then Primadonna casino (now Primm Valley) and did nothing. He was never prosecuted because he broke no law.
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July 16th, 2020 at 1:29:47 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

No I did not watch the video as I didn't want to see it. That makes more sense.

Why did you post it then? I can't unwatch it.
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July 16th, 2020 at 2:25:11 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

A 28 year old Las Vegas man was arrested yesterday after he paid a homeless man $6 to do a back flip resulting in injury and death to the homeless man. As despicable as this is, I don't see how it is a crime. Seems like a transaction between two consenting adults. What am I missing?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-man-accused-goading-homeless-man-deadly-stunt-arrested-n1233990



A heart, a conscience and a soul for not caring. That's what you're missing.

It's disgusting that it took so long for help to be called. It reminds me when people looked out their windows watching a murder in the street below and wouldn't call the police.

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/03/27/archives/37-who-saw-murder-didnt-call-the-police-apathy-at-stabbing-of.html
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July 16th, 2020 at 3:56:32 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

A 28 year old Las Vegas man was arrested yesterday after he paid a homeless man $6 to do a back flip resulting in injury and death to the homeless man. As despicable as this is, I don't see how it is a crime. Seems like a transaction between two consenting adults. What am I missing?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-man-accused-goading-homeless-man-deadly-stunt-arrested-n1233990



It's a question of personal (and societal) responsibility, if I pay a drunk, inadequate homeless person a certain amount to jump of a bridge to their death for my entertainment and the inadequate person goes ahead and do it, because he lacks the means to understand the danger am I as innocent as the Pope?
On the other hand the back flip is usually not as dangerous as jumping off a bridge, but there must be some accountability for being an idiot who will entice vulnerable and inadequate people into dangerous stunts without thinking twice.

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