Will facial recognition work wearing mask?

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

Quote: Vegasrider

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

I thought they would just require people to pull down their mask for a second at the entrance and perhaps after sitting down at a gaming table.

(Or maybe you have to wear a photograph of the bottom half of your face on the mask, heh.)

Wearing a medical mask inside a casino is nothing new. I believe facial recognition has more to do with measurements of the eyes, distance, nose, like that.

Really... have you ever seen a player in a medical mask stopped or questioned?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Wearing a medical mask inside a casino is nothing new.
Really... have you ever seen a player in a medical mask stopped or questioned?

Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

Quote: Vegasrider

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

How many and how often are these casinos actually using facial recognition in order to catch and foil Advantage players?

How accurate is the facial recognition? From my understanding it has a lot of false positives.

Assuming the facial recognition is good enough.
I have to assume that they can adjust the software to account for face masks. I'm sure the facial recognition companies that servicing the casinos are working on this problem as we speak.

Assuming there's no facial recognition it's certainly going to be easier for Advantage players who get backed off.
I would assume you'll be able to come back much quicker and not worry about being noticed with a simple change to your wardrobe, hair color/ Style, add or subtract glasses etc. Add in some shoe lifts.

Quote: Vegasrider

Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

Usually people with Cancer, Emphysema, or other illness would wear a surgeon's mask while sitting at a table or slot machine.

Some times, people who can't stand the smell or inhalation of cigarette/cigar/vape smoke will wear them for their stay to be tolerable.

I noticed a few regulars start wearing them where I frequent, some even refusing to remove them at all while sitting at the table after a pit boss requested it.

Guess now, they would not be able to question it and would have to just let them wear it at their own discretion. I would think providing a valid ID would be the way to get around removing the mask for "identification purposes."

Quote: AxelWolf

How many and how often are these casinos actually using facial recognition in order to catch and foil Advantage players?

How accurate is the facial recognition? From my understanding it has a lot of false positives.

Assuming the facial recognition is good enough.
I have to assume that they can adjust the software to account for face masks. I'm sure the facial recognition companies that servicing the casinos are working on this problem as we speak.

Assuming there's no facial recognition it's certainly going to be easier for Advantage players who get backed off.
I would assume you'll be able to come back much quicker and not worry about being noticed with a simple change to your wardrobe, hair color/ Style, add or subtract glasses etc. Add in some shoe lifts.

Basically facial recognition works primarily in the area of the eyes and adjacent to the eyes.

Exactly, For example, phones that unlock with facial recognition works perfectly with mask

Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

If your theory is correct, , EVERY looter will be identified and caught.

Quote: Vegasrider

Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

I would bet against that. I bet in a year less than 25% of customers will be wearing masks.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

Look at China for a good example.

Their facial recognition does exactly that, and automatically grades people on social performance with things you mention like litters, and smoking in non-smoking areas and you are automatically docked government social points.

U.S. Casinos in large part have this.

The federal government does too, but it is less eager to use it as China is (which I think is a mistake, but I fear getting too political so I will leave it at that). (less eager on a domestic front anyway)….

However, casinos know you, your history, your behavior, your favorite drinks, favorite cigarettes, where you spend time, clubs you go to etc..... Basically major casinos grade every aspect of you. One of the best classes I took in college was an elective, and it was about Casinos (Casino Security I believe), taught by a retired Tropicana (AC) Information Manager, and we first hand saw all of this during a tour (and this was over 4 years a ago, I would imagine its even more polished now). Casinos know who you are, who you have possible associations with (dealers and other players, staff etc...) almost immediately upon entry of their property (or earlier if you drive into their garage with your car and plates)…. Casinos grade and review players on a number of things including behavior, money spent, games played, etc, and learn where you like to go, CET publicly boasts about this when they say that they tailor their offers to players based on entertainment history....

So the idea that the Federal government is years behind casinos is wrong. Its just there is pushback to tracking individual movements in public (this can easily be done with more cameras and plate scanners), but there are always "privacy advocates" pushing back..... Casinos don't have to worry about that..... When the government or police cannot recognize somebody in a video, it is usually a lack of will, not ability....

Quote: Vegasrider

If your theory is correct, , EVERY looter will be identified and caught.

This was pretty much my inspiration, but I have had this thought before. Of course I have overlooked private businesses have no financial incentive to share their information and resources for things which do not concern them. From our experience, Americans would not like this eye of God to be used so transparently. So probably not, but perhaps sometimes.

Quote: Gandler

Look at China for a good example.

Their facial recognition does exactly that, and automatically grades people on social performance with things you mention like litters, and smoking in non-smoking areas and you are automatically docked government social points.

U.S. Casinos in large part have this.

The federal government does too, but it is less eager to use it as China is (which I think is a mistake, but I fear getting too political so I will leave it at that). (less eager on a domestic front anyway)….

However, casinos know you, your history, your behavior, your favorite drinks, favorite cigarettes, where you spend time, clubs you go to etc..... Basically major casinos grade every aspect of you. One of the best classes I took in college was an elective, and it was about Casinos (Casino Security I believe), taught by a retired Tropicana (AC) Information Manager, and we first hand saw all of this during a tour (and this was over 4 years a ago, I would imagine its even more polished now). Casinos know who you are, who you have possible associations with (dealers and other players, staff etc...) almost immediately upon entry of their property (or earlier if you drive into their garage with your car and plates)…. Casinos grade and review players on a number of things including behavior, money spent, games played, etc, and learn where you like to go, CET publicly boasts about this when they say that they tailor their offers to players based on entertainment history....

So the idea that the Federal government is years behind casinos is wrong. Its just there is pushback to tracking individual movements in public (this can easily be done with more cameras and plate scanners), but there are always "privacy advocates" pushing back..... Casinos don't have to worry about that..... When the government or police cannot recognize somebody in a video, it is usually a lack of will, not ability....

Their systems are such pieces of crap that I have no fear of them

Pretty sure my credit card companies already know too much about me.

Quote: BedWetterBetter

I would think providing a valid ID would be the way to get around removing the mask for "identification purposes."

I agree the ID should suffice. But, if not, then have the gaming patron sign their name, either on a tablet computer screen or on a piece of paper. The signature should match the signature the casino has on file. No need to unmask, right?

PS - As a professional writer, I'm still trying to get used to the dictionary declaring that "they," "them," and "their" can refer to either one person or more than one person. But, it does fix the her-his problems writers face. Sort of.

Quote: LuckyPhow

I agree the ID should suffice. But, if not, then have the gaming patron sign their name, either on a tablet computer screen or on a piece of paper. The signature should match the signature the casino has on file. No need to unmask, right?

PS - As a professional writer, I'm still trying to get used to the dictionary declaring that "they," "them," and "their" can refer to either one person or more than one person. But, it does fix the her-his problems writers face. Sort of.

Why would the casino have signatures on file besides those customers who won W2-G in the past?

Why would they have a brand new customers signature?