Will facial recognition work wearing mask?

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

Quote: Vegasrider

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

I thought they would just require people to pull down their mask for a second at the entrance and perhaps after sitting down at a gaming table.

(Or maybe you have to wear a photograph of the bottom half of your face on the mask, heh.)

Wearing a medical mask inside a casino is nothing new. I believe facial recognition has more to do with measurements of the eyes, distance, nose, like that.

Really... have you ever seen a player in a medical mask stopped or questioned?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Wearing a medical mask inside a casino is nothing new.
Really... have you ever seen a player in a medical mask stopped or questioned?

Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

Quote: Vegasrider

So will this be a way for people to disguise their identity when they are inside a casino?

How many and how often are these casinos actually using facial recognition in order to catch and foil Advantage players?

How accurate is the facial recognition? From my understanding it has a lot of false positives.

Assuming the facial recognition is good enough.
I have to assume that they can adjust the software to account for face masks. I'm sure the facial recognition companies that servicing the casinos are working on this problem as we speak.

Assuming there's no facial recognition it's certainly going to be easier for Advantage players who get backed off.
I would assume you'll be able to come back much quicker and not worry about being noticed with a simple change to your wardrobe, hair color/ Style, add or subtract glasses etc. Add in some shoe lifts.

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Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

Usually people with Cancer, Emphysema, or other illness would wear a surgeon's mask while sitting at a table or slot machine.

Some times, people who can't stand the smell or inhalation of cigarette/cigar/vape smoke will wear them for their stay to be tolerable.

I noticed a few regulars start wearing them where I frequent, some even refusing to remove them at all while sitting at the table after a pit boss requested it.

Guess now, they would not be able to question it and would have to just let them wear it at their own discretion. I would think providing a valid ID would be the way to get around removing the mask for "identification purposes."

Quote: AxelWolf

How many and how often are these casinos actually using facial recognition in order to catch and foil Advantage players?

How accurate is the facial recognition? From my understanding it has a lot of false positives.

Assuming the facial recognition is good enough.
I have to assume that they can adjust the software to account for face masks. I'm sure the facial recognition companies that servicing the casinos are working on this problem as we speak.

Assuming there's no facial recognition it's certainly going to be easier for Advantage players who get backed off.
I would assume you'll be able to come back much quicker and not worry about being noticed with a simple change to your wardrobe, hair color/ Style, add or subtract glasses etc. Add in some shoe lifts.

Basically facial recognition works primarily in the area of the eyes and adjacent to the eyes.

Exactly, For example, phones that unlock with facial recognition works perfectly with mask

Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

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Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

If your theory is correct, , EVERY looter will be identified and caught.

Quote: Vegasrider

Here in the states, its very rare to find people wearing masks in casinos. But going forward, it will become the norm.

I would bet against that. I bet in a year less than 25% of customers will be wearing masks.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Almost everyone has been identified I would have to think within this country, so when police have video, are they just pretending like they don't know whom the people really are? A Vegas casino, a Walmart, a mug shot, someone has to be tagged somewhere, it's kind of hard to believe there are people getting away red handed but I guess they are. I won't even litter in broad daylight let alone commit some premeditated crime.

Look at China for a good example.

Their facial recognition does exactly that, and automatically grades people on social performance with things you mention like litters, and smoking in non-smoking areas and you are automatically docked government social points.

U.S. Casinos in large part have this.

The federal government does too, but it is less eager to use it as China is (which I think is a mistake, but I fear getting too political so I will leave it at that). (less eager on a domestic front anyway)….

However, casinos know you, your history, your behavior, your favorite drinks, favorite cigarettes, where you spend time, clubs you go to etc..... Basically major casinos grade every aspect of you. One of the best classes I took in college was an elective, and it was about Casinos (Casino Security I believe), taught by a retired Tropicana (AC) Information Manager, and we first hand saw all of this during a tour (and this was over 4 years a ago, I would imagine its even more polished now). Casinos know who you are, who you have possible associations with (dealers and other players, staff etc...) almost immediately upon entry of their property (or earlier if you drive into their garage with your car and plates)…. Casinos grade and review players on a number of things including behavior, money spent, games played, etc, and learn where you like to go, CET publicly boasts about this when they say that they tailor their offers to players based on entertainment history....

So the idea that the Federal government is years behind casinos is wrong. Its just there is pushback to tracking individual movements in public (this can easily be done with more cameras and plate scanners), but there are always "privacy advocates" pushing back..... Casinos don't have to worry about that..... When the government or police cannot recognize somebody in a video, it is usually a lack of will, not ability....

Quote: Vegasrider

If your theory is correct, , EVERY looter will be identified and caught.

This was pretty much my inspiration, but I have had this thought before. Of course I have overlooked private businesses have no financial incentive to share their information and resources for things which do not concern them. From our experience, Americans would not like this eye of God to be used so transparently. So probably not, but perhaps sometimes.

Quote: Gandler

Look at China for a good example.

Their facial recognition does exactly that, and automatically grades people on social performance with things you mention like litters, and smoking in non-smoking areas and you are automatically docked government social points.

U.S. Casinos in large part have this.

The federal government does too, but it is less eager to use it as China is (which I think is a mistake, but I fear getting too political so I will leave it at that). (less eager on a domestic front anyway)….

However, casinos know you, your history, your behavior, your favorite drinks, favorite cigarettes, where you spend time, clubs you go to etc..... Basically major casinos grade every aspect of you. One of the best classes I took in college was an elective, and it was about Casinos (Casino Security I believe), taught by a retired Tropicana (AC) Information Manager, and we first hand saw all of this during a tour (and this was over 4 years a ago, I would imagine its even more polished now). Casinos know who you are, who you have possible associations with (dealers and other players, staff etc...) almost immediately upon entry of their property (or earlier if you drive into their garage with your car and plates)…. Casinos grade and review players on a number of things including behavior, money spent, games played, etc, and learn where you like to go, CET publicly boasts about this when they say that they tailor their offers to players based on entertainment history....

So the idea that the Federal government is years behind casinos is wrong. Its just there is pushback to tracking individual movements in public (this can easily be done with more cameras and plate scanners), but there are always "privacy advocates" pushing back..... Casinos don't have to worry about that..... When the government or police cannot recognize somebody in a video, it is usually a lack of will, not ability....

Their systems are such pieces of crap that I have no fear of them

Pretty sure my credit card companies already know too much about me.

Quote: BedWetterBetter

I would think providing a valid ID would be the way to get around removing the mask for "identification purposes."

I agree the ID should suffice. But, if not, then have the gaming patron sign their name, either on a tablet computer screen or on a piece of paper. The signature should match the signature the casino has on file. No need to unmask, right?

PS - As a professional writer, I'm still trying to get used to the dictionary declaring that "they," "them," and "their" can refer to either one person or more than one person. But, it does fix the her-his problems writers face. Sort of.

Quote: LuckyPhow

I agree the ID should suffice. But, if not, then have the gaming patron sign their name, either on a tablet computer screen or on a piece of paper. The signature should match the signature the casino has on file. No need to unmask, right?

PS - As a professional writer, I'm still trying to get used to the dictionary declaring that "they," "them," and "their" can refer to either one person or more than one person. But, it does fix the her-his problems writers face. Sort of.

Why would the casino have signatures on file besides those customers who won W2-G in the past?

Why would they have a brand new customers signature?

Seems to be a couple threads on facial recognition, so just picked one. You can see the name of the youtube channel in the pic. He seems to have some knowledge of the technology. Someone else can weigh in though, as I don’t.

I didn't check that guy's posts closely, but a quick search indicates that

Eufy security cameras, like most security cameras, cannot see through sunglasses or any other type of tinted glass. Sunglasses, especially those designed to reduce glare and UV rays, can significantly obstruct the camera's view, particularly in the infrared spectrum, which is commonly used for night vision.

While a camera might be able to see some detail through sunglasses, it will not have a clear, unobstructed view, and the image quality will be significantly degraded, especially in low light or with heavily tinted lenses

Quote: darkoz

Their systems are such pieces of crap that I have no fear of them
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Most casinos IT systems are very outdated and do not contain much advanced technology.

Quote: MDawg

I didn't check that guy's website, but a quick search indicates that

Eufy security cameras, like most security cameras, cannot see through sunglasses or any other type of tinted glass. Sunglasses, especially those designed to reduce glare and UV rays, can significantly obstruct the camera's view, particularly in the infrared spectrum, which is commonly used for night vision.

While a camera might be able to see some detail through sunglasses, it will not have a clear, unobstructed view, and the image quality will be significantly degraded, especially in low light or with heavily tinted lenses
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He said Iphones front facing camera, (the one that unlocks your phone) can see through your sunglasses because it doesn't have an IRL blocker. Whereas the rear facing one can't.

I guess people can start testing that one.

iPhone unlocks, especially since they modified them to work while wearing a Covid facial mask, work on the shape of the face and head and other contours, not necessarily seeing through your glasses. If enough shapes and contours match, it unlocks. Also Face ID scans your face with infrared light and projects thousands of tiny dots to map your features, and that is not what is happening when you simply take a regular photo with the front camera.

I think the way smart phones detect through tinted glass has as much to do with image processing than anything else, plus also the ability of the phone to adjust brightness and focus. Also to see through say a heavily tinted car window I believe it has to be pressed right up against the glass. As well, to see through a dark tint at all there needs to be enough ambient light.

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iPhone unlocks, especially since they modified them to work while wearing a Covid facial mask, work on the shape of the face and head and other contours, not necessarily seeing through your glasses. If enough shapes and contours match, it unlocks. Also Face ID scans your face with infrared light and projects thousands of tiny dots to map your features, and that is not what is happening when you simply take a regular photo with the front camera.

I think the way smart phones detect through tinted glass has as much to do with image processing than anything else, plus also the ability of the phone to adjust brightness and focus. Also to see through say a heavily tinted car window I believe it has to be pressed right up against the glass. As well, to see through a dark tint at all there needs to be enough ambient light.
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Well, I like I said, I'm no expert. Here's some of the text transcript.

in
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this video I will briefly discuss how
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facial recognition works at a very high
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level i will then discuss the difference
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between normal cameras and infrared
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cameras and then I will share part one
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of my test results with you where I
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tested ways to defeat facial recognition
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cameras i am Dr john Padfield an
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engineer turned state representative
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turned business professor and this is
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business reform where we discuss issues
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at the intersection of business

I posted something on his YouTube video questioning his results. It could have something to do with the type of sunglasses he was wearing that they were atypical cheapos or some such.

Or to do with the ambient lighting setup.