bobbartop
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April 8th, 2020 at 11:26:55 PM permalink
This is a big event that was scheduled to go down in New York but was cancelled for obvious reasons. So one of our local California Indian casinos is going to host it, a dozen UFC martial arts fights. There will be no audience and the casino is still closed to gamblers. But there will be a couple dozen fighters, bleeding and sharing their sweat in the ring, and whatever amount of people it will take to support this event.

My opinion? Anything for a buck. This was one of the very last casinos to close here, even as other casinos were closing on their own, this one closed when they were forced to close by the State on March 20. They cite "sovereign nation, sovereign land". But just how sovereign are they? Isn't it our military and our police that protect them?

This is a big casino, and very successful. I know many people there, players and employees. I thought it was kind of chicken sh*t to continue all the way to the end. What if an employee wanted to stay home? Would they have risked losing their good job?

Money talks, coronavirus walks.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
AZDuffman
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April 9th, 2020 at 3:55:55 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

This is a big event that was scheduled to go down in New York but was cancelled for obvious reasons. So one of our local California Indian casinos is going to host it, a dozen UFC martial arts fights. There will be no audience and the casino is still closed to gamblers. But there will be a couple dozen fighters, bleeding and sharing their sweat in the ring, and whatever amount of people it will take to support this event.

My opinion? Anything for a buck. This was one of the very last casinos to close here, even as other casinos were closing on their own, this one closed when they were forced to close by the State on March 20. They cite "sovereign nation, sovereign land". But just how sovereign are they? Isn't it our military and our police that protect them?

This is a big casino, and very successful. I know many people there, players and employees. I thought it was kind of chicken sh*t to continue all the way to the end. What if an employee wanted to stay home? Would they have risked losing their good job?

Money talks, coronavirus walks.



Nobody is forcing anyone to participate.
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MidwestAP
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April 9th, 2020 at 4:50:01 AM permalink
Good for them. They seem to be taking reasonable actions to minimize the risk of spread and still maintain commerce.
ThatDonGuy
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April 9th, 2020 at 6:56:48 AM permalink
I just wonder how they're going to get to the casino. Since everybody knows where it is, what stops Governor Newsom from posting, for example, Highway Patrol blockades at every road that enters the tribe's land? In that case, do they fly everybody in by helicopter?
bobbartop
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April 9th, 2020 at 6:57:00 AM permalink
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Good for them. They seem to be taking reasonable actions to minimize the risk of spread and still maintain commerce.




Good for them, they had to be forced to close when all other casinos around them had voluntarily closed weeks earlier. If they hadn't been forced, they probably would not have closed. Never mind the welfare of their employees. Cash is king.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
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April 9th, 2020 at 7:20:40 AM permalink
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Good for them, they had to be forced to close when all other casinos around them had voluntarily closed weeks earlier. If they hadn't been forced, they probably would not have closed. Never mind the welfare of their employees. Cash is king.



Employees being able to have a place to go back to work for is indeed caring about their welfare. Do you even know what it is for a business to go weeks without revenue?
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MidwestAP
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April 9th, 2020 at 7:22:54 AM permalink
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Good for them, they had to be forced to close when all other casinos around them had voluntarily closed weeks earlier. If they hadn't been forced, they probably would not have closed. Never mind the welfare of their employees. Cash is king.



How many of their employees will be needed when there isn't any crowd? Minimal security, no ushers, ticket people, concession workers, etc. etc. etc. IMO, there should be reasonable and risk managed efforts to promote commerce, even in the entertainment industry. Many factors can go into that, but if this area isn't a 'hot spot' (and I have no idea of the location) then I say have at it with reasonable mitigation efforts.
MidwestAP
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April 9th, 2020 at 7:38:14 AM permalink
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Employees being able to have a place to go back to work for is indeed caring about their welfare. Do you even know what it is for a business to go weeks without revenue?



Exactly! Business needs to happen, otherwise people can lose homes, can't eat, or may turn to the bottle, syringe, or pill to deal with it. Homelessness rises, social programs (which is a story for another day) are overrun, crime goes up and so on.

It blows my mind how so many people are willing to give up freedoms so quickly. I'm all for taking reasonable precautions to slow the spread to not overwhelm the healthcare system. But the message around distancing that has been driven home is 100% medical. That's why I expect elected officials and the public, who have the capacity to reason, to weigh the medical message with the need for commerce.
TDVegas
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April 9th, 2020 at 7:44:46 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

Exactly! Business needs to happen, otherwise people can lose homes, can't eat, or may turn to the bottle, syringe, or pill to deal with it. Homelessness rises, social programs (which is a story for another day) are overrun, crime goes up and so on.

It blows my mind how so many people are willing to give up freedoms so quickly. I'm all for taking reasonable precautions to slow the spread to not overwhelm the healthcare system. But the message around distancing that has been driven home is 100% medical. That's why I expect elected officials and the public, who have the capacity to reason, to weigh the medical message with the need for commerce.


I would agree. The contagion is not going away until there is a vaccine. We cannot shut commerce down until late 2021 when we might see a vaccine or credible treatment.

In the meantime, homes are lost, financial destruction ensues...not to mention everything else associated with loss of income.

Stress
Crime
Spousal abuse
Heart attacks
Strokes
Depression to suicide
Financial ruin

We have to find a away, even with risk...to get the economics moving again. In Vegas, the financial tentacles of casino and resort shutdowns reaches just about every damn business here in some way or another.

Iím hearing very little about the fallout beyond the direct issue of the virus. As each day goes by that fallout grows exponentially as well.

I thought Dana White said he was securing an island off the California coast...not a reservation to conduct UFC events.
AZDuffman
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April 9th, 2020 at 7:55:09 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

Exactly! Business needs to happen, otherwise people can lose homes, can't eat, or may turn to the bottle, syringe, or pill to deal with it. Homelessness rises, social programs (which is a story for another day) are overrun, crime goes up and so on.

It blows my mind how so many people are willing to give up freedoms so quickly. I'm all for taking reasonable precautions to slow the spread to not overwhelm the healthcare system. But the message around distancing that has been driven home is 100% medical. That's why I expect elected officials and the public, who have the capacity to reason, to weigh the medical message with the need for commerce.



There is an early episode of "Sliders" where they slide into a world without antibiotics and a disease rages. Life is dystopian, fast food is awful and served in shrink wrapped bags. If you cough in public you are hauled away to a sick camp. I fear we are headed in that general direction with all kinds of overreaction to what will be "normal" after lockdown ends. As if getting sick from anything will be a 100% unacceptable risk.
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