When will casinos open?
Quote: LovecompsAs far as the re-openings go, is anyone getting any decent offers to return? I'm not.
Cosmo cut off my free-pay (was up to over $100 per month), now they're giving me a lot of room offers instead. One night comped in June and can get 20% off rooms plus $50 per night spa/resort credit about as much as I want. Sahara is giving me one night comped, and only $5 free-play -- never seen anything like that before. Golden Nugget is one free night in July, plus $10 dining credit, with no free-play. Was getting quite a bit from Station's and Boyd, but no available offers right now. I predict the locals casinos are going to have a lot of their "free-gift" days.
I think this might be the new trend. The industry just lost billions, so they don't want to give away more cash in free-play, but they need to get people through the door more than ever. Not expect many dining credits for a while. Buffets all closed, restaurants at 50% capacity are likely to be filled with people paying cash.
Quote: TomGCosmo cut off my free-pay (was up to over $100 per month), now they're giving me a lot of room offers instead. One night comped in June and can get 20% off rooms plus $50 per night spa/resort credit about as much as I want. Sahara is giving me one night comped, and only $5 free-play -- never seen anything like that before. Golden Nugget is one free night in July, plus $10 dining credit, with no free-play. Was getting quite a bit from Station's and Boyd, but no available offers right now. I predict the locals casinos are going to have a lot of their "free-gift" days.
I think this might be the new trend. The industry just lost billions, so they don't want to give away more cash in free-play, but they need to get people through the door more than ever. Not expect many dining credits for a while. Buffets all closed, restaurants at 50% capacity are likely to be filled with people paying cash.
TomG, You are in Vegas right and use a local address?
What you are describing sounds like what casinos do to out of town accounts, load them up with free rooms rather than FP. I hope that isn't the new trend. Although I am really getting away from machine play and relying on offers anyway. My blackjack play is almost all unrated, except for 1 location.
Quote: TomGAbsolutely. But what happens when one person wants to do something that interferes with what another person wants to do?
For example: I want to drink clean water. But someone else wants to dump toxic waste into Lake Mead. Who gets to do what they want?
I don't see the dilema. If the water isn't clean don't drink it. You are making the choice to only drink clean water. If you can't find clean water your position will change or you will die. Completely your choice.
Bellagio, MGM Grand, and NYNY open tomorrow.
Quote: kewljTomG, You are in Vegas right and use a local address?
Sahara was an out of state address, the others local.
Just got my Station's offers. As I expected, free-gifts and no dining comps. Also seem to be a lot of point-multipliers, which is another good way to get people in the door. Free-play is overall about the same, maybe even a little higher, but more spread out. Between all that, they're offering something to get me in the door 20 out of the 27 days in June. Still no offers from Boyd.
Quote: TomG
Just got my Station's offers. As I expected, free-gifts and no dining comps. Also seem to be a lot of point-multipliers, which is another good way to get people in the door. Free-play is overall about the same, maybe even a little higher, but more spread out. Between all that, they're offering something to get me in the door 20 out of the 27 days in June. Still no offers from Boyd.
I got my offers from Boyd yesterday. It was different than usual in that it was from one single property (Gold Coast) rather than the chain of 7. I play minimally at Boyd, usually 3 properties and was near the bottom of my cycle, so the FP offers are pretty small.
I got the same as you from Stations. FP, actually a little higher than my march offers (mid cycle), but no food offers, but lots of 10x multipliers.
My situation with Stations actually is pissing me off a little. I have cut down my machine play in the last several years going back to my blackjack roots. And I play blackjack unrated. So I have just a handful of properties that I still cycle through machine play to generate offers, FP and food. The stations chain is one of those.
Because I don't play BJ rated, my stations tier level dropped to nothing the past couple years (platinum or gray or whatever). So this year, I decided to hit President. I did that in a single multiplier day in January, which would keep that level through the end of the year, almost a whole year. The benefit I wanted was the 1/2 buffets anytime using points and if you happened to have a coupon, you get that on top for 1/4 price using points. And the points I earned generating that President level on the multiplier day would cover the half price for 3-4 buffets a week for the entire year.
So obviously I lost that benefit (buffets) for the last 3 months and it doesn't look like buffets are coming back any time soon, so I got screwed out of that plan. lol
Just got an email from El Cortez pushing back to 8am Thursday. They didn't cite a reason, but undoubtedly the continuing protests that seem more problematic at night. Not sure what the others are doing.
Doesn't effect me as I abandoned my plans to head out tonight several days ago. I'll get a good start in the morning.
Quote: kewlj
Doesn't effect me as I abandoned my plans to head out tonight several days ago. I'll get a good start in the morning.
I gotta say, I feel a little bit like a school kid going back to school. I got a haircut today, just showered and shaved. I have my cloths for tomorrow all laid out. Bottle of water currently in the freezer. Going to bed fairly early. I am all ready to go and excited about it. Excited to see this new world of Las Vegas that awaits us, hopefully with some new opportunities.
One thing that is screwed up is my chip inventory. I cashed a lot of chips in during that last week before the shutdown. Didn't want to be stuck holding 10's of thousands in chips. Probably a good thing. I am guessing casinos may have new or at least cleaned chips and wouldn't appreciate me sitting down with a handful of old dirty chips. The whole concept of a chip inventory, and the advantages of that, might be out the window for a while in this new world. We'll see.
Quote: kewlj
Just got an email from El Cortez pushing back to 8am Thursday. They didn't cite a reason, but undoubtedly the continuing protests that seem more problematic at night. Not sure what the others are doing.
One of the possible reasons for not allowing all patrons in right away is to ensure the "select" players get preferential treatment and priority. They are probably allowed to play a day or two earlier than everyone else and in some cases are let in several hours before, which is why your notice for entrance was delayed.
Quote: BedWetterBetterOne of the possible reasons for not allowing all patrons in right away is to ensure the "select" players get preferential treatment and priority. They are probably allowed to play a day or two earlier than everyone else and in some cases are let in several hours before, which is why your notice for entrance was delayed.
They only delayed it by 8 hours, and this was for all players.
Quote: CommishBe careful. I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit Biloxi and you could not cash chips in for 12 months.
Good info. I cashed in whatever chips I had when covid hit (wasn't a whole lot) just to be cautious, and I'm glad I did. I remember some casinos saying they planned to close for 2 weeks. lol
Quote: CommishBe careful. I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit Biloxi and you could not cash chips in for 12 months.
Are you sure? I thought Mississippi Gaming required all casinos to redeem chips that were mailed to them.
Quote: CommishThere were chips all over the beaches and they had to figure out a system. A woman I met had $4000 worth saved for a vacation. No vacation that year.
How'd they end up dealing with the 'wild' chips vs legit chips that people took home with them for whatever reason?
https://youtu.be/Zz3lbKThtZc
Quote: BedWetterBetterSo it is a shitshow in Vegas. No masks required for customers and no precautionary measures for distancing in place. Over/Under for first infection is at 8 days. I'll give 2 to 1 odds!!!
https://youtu.be/Zz3lbKThtZc
I had assumed all the “strict guidelines” in place to curb the spread of the virus in casinos would last at least 3-4 days.
Should’ve took the under.
Quote: michael99000I had assumed all the “strict guidelines” in place to curb the spread of the virus in casinos would last at least 3-4 days.
Should’ve took the under.
I expect they will stay in place for about two months,
Quote: DRichI expect they will stay in place for about two months,
I think michael99000's point was that based on yesterday, those "strict guideline" stayed in place about 2 minutes. lol
Of the two downtown casinos I played blackjack, the dealers and pit wore face masks, but probably only about 1 in 5 of the players did. At a couple local casino type properties, the players wearing face masks were a little bit higher, maybe 33%, but still pretty weak.
At The D, I played video poker for about 90 minutes and never saw anyone cleaning machines on the whole second floor. The guidelines say they are supposed to be wiping them down "frequently".
It seemed like "guidelines" meant nothing. The mentality seemed to be things are back to normal, back to the way they were before covid-19 and I think that is exactly what the fear was. I don't want to get political, but based on yesterday, I don't see how this doesn't lead to a spike in cases and deaths in the coming weeks. And the difficult thing about Vegas is those cases won't all be here, they will travel home with people, so such a spike may not be so easy to see.
Don't want to get ahead of things but it will be interesting to see what happens if there is a noticeable increase in cases and deaths related to casinos being open. I get the feeling they are not going to shut down again, but instead the mentality is going to be we have to live with it. We'll see what happens.
Quote: BedWetterBetterSo it is a shitshow in Vegas. No masks required for customers and no precautionary measures for distancing in place. Over/Under for first infection is at 8 days. I'll give 2 to 1 odds!!!
https://youtu.be/Zz3lbKThtZc
IOW, how people behave in a normal casino?
If an infection happens it happens. Time to get back to normal.
Podcast report I heard about half wearing masks the rest acting like the virus never happened.
Requiring masks here in PA unless you are smoking, eating, or drinking. If I go I will hold a drink at all times so I do not have to wear one.
Those who are afraid are free to stay at home. The rest of us do not intend to live in fear in a dystopian world.
Quote: kewljI think michael99000's point was that based on yesterday, those "strict guideline" stayed in place about 2 minutes. lol
Of the two downtown casinos I played blackjack, the dealers and pit wore face masks, but probably only about 1 in 5 of the players did. At a couple local casino type properties, the players wearing face masks were a little bit higher, maybe 33%, but still pretty weak.
At The D, I played video poker for about 90 minutes and never saw anyone cleaning machines on the whole second floor. The guidelines say they are supposed to be wiping them down "frequently".
It seemed like "guidelines" meant nothing. The mentality seemed to be things are back to normal, back to the way they were before covid-19 and I think that is exactly what the fear was. I don't want to get political, but based on yesterday, I don't see how this doesn't lead to a spike in cases and deaths in the coming weeks. And the difficult thing about Vegas is those cases won't all be here, they will travel home with people, so such a spike may not be so easy to see.
Don't want to get ahead of things but it will be interesting to see what happens if there is a noticeable increase in cases and deaths related to casinos being open. I get the feeling they are not going to shut down again, but instead the mentality is going to be we have to live with it. We'll see what happens.
I saw a video of the Wynn just after the opening, and it looked like all of the machines were turned on. Did anybody try to enforce "every other machine is closed," either on the Strip or anywhere else (downtown, Boulder, Henderson, out west)?
Quote: ThatDonGuyI saw a video of the Wynn just after the opening, and it looked like all of the machines were turned on. Did anybody try to enforce "every other machine is closed," either on the Strip or anywhere else (downtown, Boulder, Henderson, out west)?
Of the two places I played machines, one had removed every other chair, but the machines seemed to be operational, although I didn't check by standing and playing. The other property had every other machine turned off.
I did collect free play from a third property so I briefly played a machine, but didn't take notice.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI saw a video of the Wynn just after the opening, and it looked like all of the machines were turned on. Did anybody try to enforce "every other machine is closed," either on the Strip or anywhere else (downtown, Boulder, Henderson, out west)?
Every place that I have been so far has about every other machine out of service or turned off.
Quote: kewljIt seemed like "guidelines" meant nothing. The mentality seemed to be things are back to normal, back to the way they were before covid-19... I don't see how this doesn't lead to a spike in cases and deaths in the coming weeks... Don't want to get ahead of things but it will be interesting to see what happens if there is a noticeable increase in cases. ...they are not going to shut down again.
All of the above, I believe, applies to everywhere, not just casinos, not just Las Vegas.
My anecdotal observations just going around my area are that folks are not bothering with the "guidance" and places of business are no longer bothering with the "regulations."
Home Depot is required to monitor the number of people inside. Initially they had a person on the only entrance with a phone keeping people out until other people at all the exits keeping track of them as they left. But today all doors are open for entrance or exit, nobody at any doors tracking anything. The regulations are very specific, and they have not changed. Volume of business seemed no different today than last week.
Two weeks ago the car wash had signs everywhere saying you had to wear a mask everywhere on the property. Alternating spots where blocked where the vacuums were. Today, no signs. Few people wearing masks.
In general, I see fewer and fewer people wearing masks. Kids on bikes riding through my neighborhood, clearly not from the same household. I see people out on boats (I live on a lake). Pontoon boats with more than five people. No masks.
I have not noticed any six foot marks on the sidewalks where the peaceful demonstrators can maintain social distance as they are protesting. Many of them are maskless, as are a fair percentage of police. Not universally on either side, but noticeable. If there's a spike, will it have started there? Would anyone be stupid enough to suggest that it did?
In my state, gatherings of more than five people are against the law. The fine for a single violation is $500. That requirement has been in place for a couple of months now. A press conference of state legislators was filmed yesterday. Ten politicians doing what they always do - get as close to the microphone and television camera as possible, clustered together around a podium. Not a mask to be seen.
The guidance and regulations will be with us for a while, but they'll matter a little less every day.
At the same time, every day the statistics on infections and deaths, statewide, are released. Every day the seven-day average of infections and death drop, while average mask use and social distancing drop as well (no official measure on compliance - just my guess).
Quote: AZDuffman
Requiring masks here in PA unless you are smoking, eating, or drinking. If I go I will hold a drink at all times so I do not have to wear one.
Any word on when PA casinos will start re-opening? Their websites haven't been updated in over a month and no news outlets give any pertinent details.
I would've have thought Mohegan Sun Poconos would be exempt from state law and could open like Mohegan CT?
Quote: racquetAll of the above, I believe, applies to everywhere, not just casinos, not just Las Vegas.
My anecdotal observations just going around my area are that folks are not bothering with the "guidance" and places of business are no longer bothering with the "regulations."
Home Depot is required to monitor the number of people inside. Initially they had a person on the only entrance with a phone keeping people out until other people at all the exits keeping track of them as they left. But today all doors are open for entrance or exit, nobody at any doors tracking anything. The regulations are very specific, and they have not changed. Volume of business seemed no different today than last week.
Two weeks ago the car wash had signs everywhere saying you had to wear a mask everywhere on the property. Alternating spots where blocked where the vacuums were. Today, no signs. Few people wearing masks.
In general, I see fewer and fewer people wearing masks. Kids on bikes riding through my neighborhood, clearly not from the same household. I see people out on boats (I live on a lake). Pontoon boats with more than five people. No masks.
I have not noticed any six foot marks on the sidewalks where the peaceful demonstrators can maintain social distance as they are protesting. Many of them are maskless, as are a fair percentage of police. Not universally on either side, but noticeable. If there's a spike, will it have started there? Would anyone be stupid enough to suggest that it did?
In my state, gatherings of more than five people are against the law. The fine for a single violation is $500. That requirement has been in place for a couple of months now. A press conference of state legislators was filmed yesterday. Ten politicians doing what they always do - get as close to the microphone and television camera as possible, clustered together around a podium. Not a mask to be seen.
The guidance and regulations will be with us for a while, but they'll matter a little less every day.
At the same time, every day the statistics on infections and deaths, statewide, are released. Every day the seven-day average of infections and death drop, while average mask use and social distancing drop as well (no official measure on compliance - just my guess).
I have to ask, why would anyone wear a mask out on a pontoon boat. Or out on any boat for that matter?
What is happening is people are seeing the rules were more "feel good" than effective. They are done with it all. The crisis, to whatever extent there was one, is far along the decline. The "models" were way off on the high side. 25% of the deaths are in nursing homes. Most people probably accept death counts were inflated in general.
Lets hope people keep ignoring the places that are holding on to these rules.
Quote: ChumpChangeI'm sorry, but deaths from COVID-19 will be heading towards the multi-millions until there is a vaccine, which could be invented never. Social distancing, lockdowns, and wearing masks are what has kept the death toll to only 100K in 3 months instead of 100 times that.
No proof of that. We did it and had deaths. To say "100Xs" that is silly.
The virus is already showing signs of weakening.
Stay home if you like, most of us want a normal life back. And before you say it, look at how many people are at openings anywhere. People clearly do not want to hole up at home.
Gov. Cuomo is happy COVID-19 deaths are down 95% per day because of the lockdown, social distancing, and wearing masks. Daily deaths have gone down from 800 a day 8 weeks ago to 42 a day now.
Quote: ChumpChangeThe virus is not over, has not been declared over, and will not be over this year. If you want life as normal, hospitals will quickly shutdown instead of society. Cases and deaths will go up 10 fold every week or two. It only takes 2-3 months for this virus to get around to everybody. There is no herd immunity. You'll be dragging dead people out to the street for pickup like China did in late January. A lockdown takes over a month to bring the curve back down. This is a viral war. You can only take little steps against it. Most states that have reopened up are seeing the number of new cases each day skyrocket and noticing their hospital capacity is about to overflow. You know what happens in the late stages of this outbreak? Tens of millions of new cases each week, 100's of thousands of deaths every day.
10-fold every week or two? Please!
Your fear-mongering is what we heard in March and IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Please cite cases of states opening and hospitals overflowing. Because it has not made the news, and the media would surely have led with that kind of story.
100's of 1000s of deaths per day? So you are trying to convince me that we will have more deaths in one day than we have had in the three months since it hit the USA?
Seriously, turn off the news. Live your life. Leave the house. You have ODed on virus news and propaganda.
As to 10-fold every week or two:
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So you are claiming in 11-22 weeks, every man, woman, and child on the planet will have it? Are you listening to yourself? If this was even remotely real it would have gotten to half the world before we could even react.
Quote: AZDuffmanI have to ask, why would anyone wear a mask out on a pontoon boat. Or out on any boat for that matter?
The "models" were way off on the high side. 25% of the deaths are in nursing homes.
"Social gatherings" of more than five people are outlawed. With or without masks, if you can count past five, that group is in violation of the law.
In my state, more than 76% of the deaths have been in nursing homes. That percentage was reported by the governor, and it's possibly even higher then that.
These were not "feel good" rules. They were regulations enacted with civil penalties, and they are still in effect. Cloth covering requirements, with those penalties, were just today extended for another thirty days, ironically, until the 4th of July.
My point is that regardless of the regulations and penalties, people are metaphorically "voting with their feet" and ignoring them. My non-medical opinion is that summer in the northern hemisphere will do more than anything else to reduce cases. Increased focus, finally, on nursing homes, will significantly reduce deaths.
The rules will have nothing to do with it.
Quote: racquet"Social gatherings" of more than five people are outlawed. With or without masks, if you can count past five, that group is in violation of the law.
We will forget how silly of a law that is, why would you wear a mask while out on a pleasure boat? There is zero reason for it.
Quote:In my state, more than 76% of the deaths have been in nursing homes. That percentage was reported by the governor, and it's possibly even higher then that.
I am going by the most recent national number. If it is 76% concentrated in nursing homes then even less reason for all these crazy distancing rules.
Quote:These were not "feel good" rules. They were regulations enacted with civil penalties, and they are still in effect. Cloth covering requirements, with those penalties, were just today extended for another thirty days, ironically, until the 4th of July.
My point is that regardless of the regulations and penalties, people are metaphorically "voting with their feet" and ignoring them. My non-medical opinion is that summer in the northern hemisphere will do more than anything else to reduce cases. Increased focus, finally, on nursing homes, will significantly reduce deaths.
The rules will have nothing to do with it.
Call them rules of regulations, they were "feel good." Meaning they did little to nothing, but made it look like "something was being done." But you are right, people are voting with their feet. It is getting to be the scene in "Tombstone" where Earp says, "I don't think I'll let you arrest us today."
We need more people voting with their feet.
Quote: kewlj
It seemed like "guidelines" meant nothing.
The code is more of a guideline than an actual rule. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl!
https://wamu.org/story/20/06/05/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s/
If you look at the banner graph, New York was going up 10 fold from 100 to 1000 in a week, 10 fold from 1000 to 10,000 in 5 days, 10 fold from 10,000 to 100,000 in 13 days.
Quote: ChumpChangeTracking The Pandemic: How Quickly Is The Coronavirus Spreading State By State?
https://wamu.org/story/20/06/05/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s/
If you look at the banner graph, New York was going up 10 fold from 100 to 1000 in a week, 10 fold from 1000 to 10,000 in 5 days, 10 fold from 10,000 to 100,000 in 13 days.
So in 30 days every last person was infected? Then 30 days after that every last person in the USA?
My Driver's License is looking mighty expired and I can't get a vision test unless the DMV lobby is open, and it isn't.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo in 30 days every last person was infected? Then 30 days after that every last person in the USA?
I dunno how Chump Change does his math, but I'm pretty sure no one here agrees with him. He's one of the few here that overestimated the effect of this virus though in terms of cases/deaths. :(
Quote: ChumpChangeWe've been in a lockdown, duh.
It's helped for sure. But you're overestimating its effectiveness, imo. Our country mostly did a limited lockdown with a boatload of exceptions.
One infected person went bar hopping and got 150 people sick in one night. The bars were promptly shut down in that country.
My local cable news is celebrating Las Vegas reopening. Gogo dancers and bartenders wearing face shields, lol.
Quote: ChumpChangeWe've been in a lockdown, duh.
My Driver's License is looking mighty expired and I can't get a vision test unless the DMV lobby is open, and it isn't.
Then why the high numbers in NYC and not elsewhere?
The numbers do not add up.
Don't look at me, I have been saying open it up for a month now. Others have wanted to stay locked down forever.
Quote: ChumpChangeI don't know how much longer I'll be able to buy Tyson chicken patties at the grocery store. How long can plants stay shut before the grocery store inventory runs out? That's rural territory there. I don't blame the poultry for the human COVID-19 illnesses yet.
Just buy real chicken. Stores are full in my parts at least.
Patties? What part of the chicken is that?
Quote: AZDuffman
Patties? What part of the chicken is that?
The part I can microwave in 135 seconds and let sit for 90 seconds, before I kill it with ketchup.
Quote: mcallister3200Ketchup on chicken?
Tastes delicious. You should try it.
And no I'm not joking
Quote: AZDuffmanJust buy real chicken. Stores are full in my parts at least.
Patties? What part of the chicken is that?
What type of supermarket do you have that doesn't sell chicken patties?
As for the part of the chicken patties are, it's the same place they get the wings from those Buffaloes
Quote: darkozWhat type of supermarket do you have that doesn't sell chicken patties?
As for the part of the chicken patties are, it's the same place they get the wings from those Buffaloes
Haven't thought of eating a chicken patty since I was a child. Didn't even are for them then. They could stop selling them completely and I would never notice.
