When will casinos open?
Quote: darkoz
Through the Vietnam war plenty of Americans had their constitutional rights to freedom violated. It was called the draft.
I think the government said it was an emergency.
No, the Constitution gave Congress the power to raise and support armies. Which is considered to mean to allow a draft as that is how armies were raised if not enough volunteers were found.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, the Constitution gave Congress the power to raise and support armies. Which is considered to mean to allow a draft as that is how armies were raised if not enough volunteers were found.
So....
You are willing to give up your freedom if the government says it's for the greater good as long as it's in the constitution.
There is a certain delicious irony in that!
Quote: SOOPOOI believe there is a single casino in Union Springs NY that is ignoring Cuomo (sovereign land?) and is open already.
Yes. The Cayuga Nation. They are pretty militant. They are having an internal power fight. The two factions take over, by force, different properties owned by the Cayuga nation on a regular basis. One faction just bulldozed about a dozen buildings controlled by the other (about 2 miles from my house). The "casino" is about twice the size of my garage. Although it's only about 15 miles from my home, I've never been in it.
TV interview with folks from Foxwoods: "We will not stop you from entering but we are not actively marketing to anyone other than Connecticut and Rhode Island."
So you NY and MA non-solicited gamblers... COME ON DOWN!
Quote: racquetJust something I thought I would add in among all these on-topic, non-political responses:
TV interview with folks from Foxwoods: "We will not stop you from entering but we are not actively marketing to anyone other than Connecticut and Rhode Island."
So you NY and MA non-solicited gamblers... COME ON DOWN!
Actually quite a boon to casino
Gambling without comps. If you are willing
Quote: darkozActually quite a boon to casino
Gambling without comps. If you are willing
A good shepherd knows his flock.
https://apnews.com/a115ed1e561b5d0e9721dfabfca3ce55
Huh. You told me not to show up with long guns and bully people. It’s right in the quotes.Quote: billryanQuote: unJonQuote: billryanQuote: unJonI can’t tell if you are ignoring the 14th amendment or aren’t aware of it.Quote: billryanQuote: CalderThe ease with which the First Amendment may be ignored is astonishing to me.
"It's for your own good, so the the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in this case." Oh, okay, thanks!
Lots of these orders are coming from people who [used to] fancy themselves civil libertarians.
Some people like to say the Constitution isn't fluid and we must examine what the Founding Fathers intended.
My copy of the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law restricting religion. Has Congress done so?
I do agree that it is strange that so many self proclaimed religious people seem more upset about not being able to go to a bar than go to church.
Are you suggesting that the government doesn't have the power to restrict movement and people in an emergency? A government that can conscript one segment in a national emergency would also be able to restrict others.
So are you arguing it's a 1st amendment issue or is it a 14th Amendment issue?
I don't think it is either. It's the government's job, no,it's their duty ,to protect the general welfare. If you don't like it, vote in a new government. Don't show up with long guns trying to bully those who disagree with you.
No. I’m pointing out that you saying that the first amendment refers to “Congress” is misleading in ignoring the effect of the 14th amendment. Thought that would be clear.
Your attack on me is insulting and unwarranted. I didn’t say I didn’t like it. I didn’t show up with a gun or bully anyone. Why so political all the time? Get your politics out of here. Seriously. Get a grip.
I'd ask you what attack, but then I realized I don't really care. I never associated you with the people who bring semi-automatic weapons to demonstrations, but whatever floats your boat.
It is not "irony." It is what is called public service. Millions of Americans have always volunteered for it in different forms for centuries. The draft was instituted when more troops were needed. Just ask Abraham Lincoln.Quote: darkozYou are willing to give up your freedom if the government says it's for the greater good as long as it's in the constitution. There is a certain delicious irony in that!
And not only have the results mostly been extremely positive. But also the unseen personal rewards of accomplishment. Too bad that so many today are missing that.
Quote: SanchoPanzaIt is not "irony." It is what is called public service. Millions of Americans have always volunteered for it in different forms for centuries. The draft was instituted when more troops were needed. Just ask Abraham Lincoln.
And not only have the results mostly been extremely positive. But also the unseen personal rewards of accomplishment. Too bad that so many today are missing that.
Yeah, Vietnam was a very popular war with lots of success stories from those forced to give up their freedoms and lives for the American government.
They fought so that today's Americans commit suicide if they have to stay home for two weeks during a pandemic
The soaring rates of suicide, addictive drugs, domestic abuse and the like do not bode well for the future of society. Too bad that the former individual responsibilities and strengths are no longer predominant.Quote: darkozYeah, Vietnam was a very popular war with lots of success stories from those forced to give up their freedoms and lives for the American government. They fought so that today's Americans commit suicide if they have to stay home for two weeks during a pandemic
Quote: racquetI'm one of those anal types who read the fine print. Here it is in the joint Mohegan/Foxwoods email I got (emphasis added):
Additionally, both Foxwoods Resort Casino and Mohegan Sun will be catering to Connecticut and Rhode Island residents only. No out-of-state marketing to New York or Massachusetts will take place at either property and no out-of-state buses will be accepted.
"Catering", "not marketing" and "no buses" are not the same as "RI and CT residents only," although they might be happy if it's read that way. Should be a total madhouse at the door with the temperature checks. No mention of capacity limits ("25%", "50%"...).
They are their own governing authority. Seems that the two tribes got together and came up with agreeable common practices. I wonder if this new level of cooperation between historically competitive venues will last.
I reread my players club member updates from Mohegan and I did not see anywhere where any visitor will be banned. They just won't allow busing in from out of state, booking rooms to out of staters or market to them. Otherwise, come on in!
Quote: YoyomamaQuote: racquetI'm one of those anal types who read the fine print. Here it is in the joint Mohegan/Foxwoods email I got (emphasis added):
Additionally, both Foxwoods Resort Casino and Mohegan Sun will be catering to Connecticut and Rhode Island residents only. No out-of-state marketing to New York or Massachusetts will take place at either property and no out-of-state buses will be accepted.
"Catering", "not marketing" and "no buses" are not the same as "RI and CT residents only," although they might be happy if it's read that way. Should be a total madhouse at the door with the temperature checks. No mention of capacity limits ("25%", "50%"...).
They are their own governing authority. Seems that the two tribes got together and came up with agreeable common practices. I wonder if this new level of cooperation between historically competitive venues will last.
I reread my players club member updates from Mohegan and I did not see anywhere where any visitor will be banned. They just won't allow busing in from out of state, booking rooms to out of staters or market to them. Otherwise, come on in!
They don't want you, but they will take your money.
Quote: Yoyomama
...They just won't allow... booking rooms to out of staters
Being anal again...
My email said nothing about NOT booking rooms to out-of-staters. My guess is that while they MIGHT deny a reservation over the phone or online to someone not from CT or RI, (last time I booked a room at Mohegan they didn't ask where I was coming from), if you show up at the desk and want a room, or are comped a room, you'll get a room. I'm not saying I would want one, but if I did, some boilerplate fine print that said nobody from Massachusetts had slept in it last night would not make any difference.
Seems silly to open up the hotel and then only accept bookings from folks that are close enough not to need one.
Quote: racquetBeing anal again...
My email said nothing about NOT booking rooms to out-of-staters. My guess is that while they MIGHT deny a reservation over the phone or online to someone not from CT or RI, (last time I booked a room at Mohegan they didn't ask where I was coming from), if you show up at the desk and want a room, or are comped a room, you'll get a room. I'm not saying I would want one, but if I did, some boilerplate fine print that said nobody from Massachusetts had slept in it last night would not make any difference.
Seems silly to open up the hotel and then only accept bookings from folks that are close enough not to need one.
Perhaps the hotel has to be open for the casino to be.
Quote: billryanPerhaps the hotel has to be open for the casino to be.
I don't think there would be any rule in the sovereign tribal territory of either casino requiring that the hotel be open. If there was, a quick meeting of whatever passes for Congress could change it. I bet they all belong to the same party.
Quote: darkoz...Otherwise I don't see what you are getting at...
Not surprising.
Quote: racquetI don't think there would be any rule in the sovereign tribal territory of either casino requiring that the hotel be open. If there was, a quick meeting of whatever passes for Congress could change it. I bet they all belong to the same party.
I was there the day they shut down on a 3 day room comp. They called my room at 2pm, on my second day, and just said LEAVE NOW!
Quote: racquetI don't think there would be any rule in the sovereign tribal territory of either casino requiring that the hotel be open. If there was, a quick meeting of whatever passes for Congress could change it. I bet they all belong to the same party.
I've no idea, just tossing possibilities out there. If it was a well-run casino before this, I'll assume they still are and have a reason to do what they do.
As far as your last statement goes- I was just reading about the different Sioux tribes in the Dakotas and the dissension between the generations. Throw money in the mix and inter-tribal squabbles are bound to happen.
Maybe this newfound unity came about so that the two combined properties could survive Connecticut's (or Lamont's) objections. Once they're open and it's clear that the state can't shut them down, will they go back to being competitive? I wonder how well the two tribes got along before this? Or is it "just business" to the younger generation?
Quote: WatchMeWinFoxwoods or Mohegan Sun... game on! Who is in?
I'll be at Mohgen for sure. Free tickets to the circus. Who would want to pass that up?
Quote: racquetI'll be at Mohgen for sure. Free tickets to the circus. Who would want to pass that up?
Will the circus animals be wearing PPE?
O.K., so here's another of my attempts to throw a little levity on this discussion:Quote: darkozWill the circus animals be wearing PPE?
https://www.gocomics.com/overthehedge/2020/05/24
Quote: darkozWill the circus animals be wearing PPE?
I had a passing friendly acquaintance with a number of folks at Mohegan - dealers, floors, waitresses, a pit boss or two. I could count on an occasional chat with some of them about how they were getting on in the business and what it was like behind the scenes, as you might talk to the bartender at the local watering hole or your favorite waiter at the restaurant down the street. Nothing intimate or personal, just friendly.
I'm looking forward to talking to the animals at the circus.
Plus, there's nobody more self-important and self-entitled than a casino customer. Only a very few, but enough so that all the acts at the circus won't be inside the rings. Matched up against primed-up members of the tribal-mall-cops? Stand back.
Quote: racquetI had a passing friendly acquaintance with a number of folks at Mohegan - dealers, floors, waitresses, a pit boss or two.
Matched up against primed-up members of the tribal-mall-cops?
Speaking of matched up... Does either Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods do Player Card tier matching from other casinos? I've not been to a CT casino in 16 years and would consider a return IF they did tier match.
Quote: bobbartopROLLING HILLS CASINO & RESORT RE-OPENING DETAILS
So what happens when a players card is removed and someone sits down right after they left?
Machines seats changing players are much too fluid. Sometimes there aren't enough attendants to fix broke machines or do handpays.
For anyone who has ever experienced waiting ten or more minutes for a handpay to get initiated imagine waiting for an empty seat to be sanitized.
I don't think that aspect is gonna fly too long
Quote: darkoz
So what happens when a players card is removed and someone sits down right after they left?
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The new player starts playing a game they enjoy playing and has a pleasant time. Like they did before March of this year.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkoz
So what happens when a players card is removed and someone sits down right after they left?
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The new player starts playing a game they enjoy playing and has a pleasant time. Like they did before March of this year.
Yeah, that's what I would hope.
They mentioned when removing a players card it alerts the staff much the same way as winning a jackpot alerts a slot attendant.
Well much the same way implies some type of deactivation until the attendant arrives.
If the machines are just left for people to sit down on before the attendant arrives then any semblance of cleaning the machines goes out the window. The system is pointless
And I understand you want people to sit down and play just like before. So do I. But clearly that's not happening. All the screaming about it isn't going to make any casino advertise how they don't sanitize and don't care about Covid-19. Just not happening!
If the machine is not placed out-of-service until a staff person comes by to "sanitize" it, there's no reason why someone who wants to play the machine badly enough will just sit down and play.
Some people will disinfect the machine themselves, even after the Sanitation Specialist has just completed his work.
Would you sit down to play a vacant machine if you haven't just witnessed a sanitation drill being performed on it?
Are the chips in the rack all germ-free? When the dealer takes back the losing bets and pays out the winning ones with the same chips, is that okay?
Do you sanitize the toilet seat in the rest room? Do you use the paper donut that's hanging on the wall? Do you wash your hands BEFORE you use the urinal, since your hands are the filthy things that were handling chips, dice, or cards before you touched Mr. Binky?
Some people do. some people don't. Some people will, some people won't. Personal decisions, personal responsibility. In the end, that's all there is.
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Toilet plume? What a gross but perfectly apt and descriptive term.Quote: rxwine
Quote: racquetI had a passing friendly acquaintance with a number of folks at Mohegan - dealers, floors, waitresses, a pit boss or two. I could count on an occasional chat with some of them about how they were getting on in the business and what it was like behind the scenes, as you might talk to the bartender at the local watering hole or your favorite waiter at the restaurant down the street. Nothing intimate or personal, just friendly.
I'm looking forward to talking to the animals at the circus.
Plus, there's nobody more self-important and self-entitled than a casino customer. Only a very few, but enough so that all the acts at the circus won't be inside the rings. Matched up against primed-up members of the tribal-mall-cops? Stand back.
Beg to differ re: entitled guests, in a humorous way. NOTHING beats old people on cruise ships who are legacy top-category sailors for entitlement and forced groveling. Nothing.
They are petty, mean, supercilious, infuriating, and malicious. I swear their whole reason for being on the boat is to inflict the most debasing and ridiculous demands on the crew possible. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bet on it among themselves. "You think YOU tortured that steward? Hold my Krystal."
Quote: ChumpChangeIf they have one sanitizer staff member for every 30 to 50 lit machines, this could work. I wouldn't ever want to be them though. They should be getting hazard pay and more than the $600 + state portion/week in unemployment as wages along with health insurance that covers a $40K+ medical expense in case they get COVID-19 and also paid sick leave. Big business will determine that all human capital stock is extremely disposable though.
"Hazard Pay?" For cleaning machines?
You have got to be kidding me. It is a no skill, virtually no-risk job.
I like gambling, but not this much.
Quote: petroglyphThey could set up mister tents and hose down the players before they come in, voila no need to clean seats in between players.
I like gambling, but not this much.
There’s a segment of the gambling world that will not return for a long time. Casual type players who look at other, safer recreational activities as being equally as fun and now a better option health wise , or they just feel the hassle associated with all these new casino guidelines and protocols isn’t worth it.
Plexiglass between every player at a table, dealers with masks and gloves on, constant touching of things by multiple people followed by constant disinfecting of such things.. it all serves to blatantly and constantly remind the customer that they are in an unhealthy environment. Not a good look for a business that models itself on getting people in the door and then keeping them there.
My game is craps anyway. I like empty tables already. But the only way I think craps as we know it survives is with small tables that only take one dealer, that does it all, much as they already do in smaller casinos when there are few customers?Quote: michael99000There’s a segment of the gambling world that will not return for a long time. Casual type players who look at other, safer recreational activities as being equally as fun and now a better option health wise , or they just feel the hassle associated with all these new casino guidelines and protocols isn’t worth it.
Plexiglass between every player at a table, dealers with masks and gloves on, constant touching of things by multiple people followed by constant disinfecting of such things.. it all serves to blatantly and constantly remind the customer that they are in an unhealthy environment. Not a good look for a business that models itself on getting people in the door and then keeping them there.
The other way I see craps surviving is the way Ahigh had it here, online. At least craps as is known by us boomers.
10 minutes...LOL....try waiting for many hour's.Quote: darkozQuote: bobbartopROLLING HILLS CASINO & RESORT RE-OPENING DETAILS
So what happens when a players card is removed and someone sits down right after they left?
Machines seats changing players are much too fluid. Sometimes there aren't enough attendants to fix broke machines or do handpays.
For anyone who has ever experienced waiting ten or more minutes for a handpay to get initiated imagine waiting for an empty seat to be sanitized.
I don't think that aspect is gonna fly too long
Quote: KeyserSanitizing slot machines and chairs is just plain silly. The Chinese covid-19 virus is spread more by person to person contact. I doubt many people, if any are getting the virus from a dirty slot machine or counter top.
Welcome back Keyser.
I actually agree with you (aside from still calling it The wrong name)
I don't think this spreada from countertops etc either.
Masks are more important than wiping down surfaces
Quote: darkozWelcome back Keyser.
I actually agree with you (aside from still calling it The wrong name)
I don't think this spreada from countertops etc either.
Masks are more important than wiping down surfaces
Do you think you can catch it from touching your face ?
Quote: michael99000Do you think you can catch it from touching your face ?
If it's on your hands you can transfer it to your face. That's the primary entry point
That's the whole point of sanitizer and washing your hands.
But more likely you shook an infected person hand or he breathed particles which landed on your hands.
If it was spread so easily from surfaces wouldn't the better idea be for everyone to wear gloves as well as masks?
Forcing gloves seems a lot easier than sanitizing every single surface
I still don't get how gloves help. Wouldn't your gloved hand will get as dirty/germy as an uncovered hand that touches the same surfaces?Quote: darkozIf it was spread so easily from surfaces wouldn't the better idea be for everyone to wear gloves as well as masks?
Forcing gloves seems a lot easier than sanitizing every single surface
Quote: michael99000Do you think you can catch it from touching your face ?
Why do you want to touch his face?
More serious, you don't "catch it from touching your face." You touch something that has it, then touch your face. Your face has more of a chance of it entering due to softer skin than your hands and our mouth/nose being there.
Gloves won't do a thing as you are just picking things up on the gloves not your hands.
Quote: JoemanI still don't get how gloves help. Wouldn't your gloved hand will get as dirty/germy as an uncovered hand that touches the same surfaces?
I don’t wear them but it makes you more conscious about touching your face, don’t touch it nearly as often. Think about people who are habitual nail biters, I bet they don’t touch their face even 1/4 as often with gloves on.
